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Augiedog

(2,702 posts)
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 11:42 AM Nov 2025

Seems like trumpers are having an existential crisis, they want soldiers to obey unlawful orders?

One of the elements that makes the American military American is its refusal to engage in war crimes (hopefully this is seen as a positive). As opposed to the Russian military that encourages rape and murder of civilians as policy, witness Ukraine. Yes I know there are plenty of examples of us failing to follow this precept. But it’s a failure, not a policy.

This refusal is not just something for upper echelons to be aware of. This starts at the lowest grade and spirals up, as well as coming from on high. Privates and generals and all in between are responsible for their actions as well as those around them. That’s sorta what makes it the military and allows the government to safely arm soldiers with some of the deadliest weapons on earth.

Everyone keeps everyone else in check. It’s a team effort….or else it’s murderous chaos. Just ask Lt Calley.

That the draft dodger trump doesn’t understand this doesn’t surprise….well, anyone really. It should make people wonder just what he has in mind for his use of OUR military. He is using the military in the Caribbean without Congressional authorization almost as a terrorist force.

We could easily find ourselves, due to trumps ignorance, caught up in an unnecessary international conflagration.

We are a nation whose rule of law supersedes all else, and the rule in the military is ‘you do not obey unlawful orders’. It’s not a choice.

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Seems like trumpers are having an existential crisis, they want soldiers to obey unlawful orders? (Original Post) Augiedog Nov 2025 OP
Trumpers in Congress are just pathetic. They are voting on a resolution to condemn socialism. Walleye Nov 2025 #1
And take loyalty oaths and sign NDAs. surfered Nov 2025 #2
Republicans and FOX seem to think that NCDem47 Nov 2025 #3
It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners. Albert Camus Ping Tung Nov 2025 #4
If Stephen Miller Coolgoober Nov 2025 #5
How very NAZI of them Historic NY Nov 2025 #6
as Richard Nixon said on the David Frost show DBoon Nov 2025 #7

Walleye

(44,798 posts)
1. Trumpers in Congress are just pathetic. They are voting on a resolution to condemn socialism.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 11:47 AM
Nov 2025

I’m kind of mad at the Democrats who are voting for this bogus resolution. Quit playing along as if they’re doing something constructive

NCDem47

(3,470 posts)
3. Republicans and FOX seem to think that
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:00 PM
Nov 2025

Anything coming out of Trump’s mouth or Truth post is “law.” EVEN WHEN IT ISN’T!

These Dems did nothing but state what was currently a real law…that no one should follow orders if it is an illegal order.

As usual, the Republican spin takes us into bizarro world!

Ping Tung

(4,370 posts)
4. It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners. Albert Camus
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:09 PM
Nov 2025

"Just following orders" didn't play well at the Nuremberg trials.

For the executioners at Auschwitz and the other death camps it was "legal" to murder milions of innocent people.

At some point the individual has to decide what's moral despite "legality".



























































Coolgoober

(326 posts)
5. If Stephen Miller
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:12 PM
Nov 2025

Or trump ever served in the military they would know 'the not shooting Americans' part was taught early and often in the various training camps. They should at least read the oaths these young people take.

DBoon

(24,983 posts)
7. as Richard Nixon said on the David Frost show
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:32 PM
Nov 2025

"It's not illegal if the president does it"

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