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Miles Archer

(23,266 posts)
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 10:47 PM Nov 2025

Trump's Ukraine Peace Plan: "This is a Russian proposal," a "wish list of the Russians."

“It rewards aggression. This is pure and simple. There’s no ethical, legal, moral, political justification for Russia claiming eastern Ukraine,” Independent Maine Sen. Angus King said during a panel discussion at the Halifax International Security Forum in Canada.

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But King and Democratic Sen. Jeanne Shaheen later said they and their fellow senators at the forum spoke with Rubio. King said Rubio told them the plan “was not the administration’s plan” but a “wish list of the Russians.”

Shaheen said Rubio is on his way to Geneva for talks with the Europeans and Ukrainians. She said Rubio reached out to her and Republican Sen. Mike Rounds from South Dakota.

“This is a Russian proposal,” Shaheen said. “There is so much in that plan that is totally unacceptable.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/senators-rip-trumps-ukraine-peace-proposal-at-international-security-conference-canada_n_69220777e4b0d31c0a7aaa18?xlq

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Trump's Ukraine Peace Plan: "This is a Russian proposal," a "wish list of the Russians." (Original Post) Miles Archer Nov 2025 OP
Ok TheFarseer Nov 2025 #1
This was a Putin wish list LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2025 #2
+1 dalton99a Nov 2025 #3
A more recent tweet from Weiss: Emrys Nov 2025 #5
So, US Media is run by the Russian Oligarchs. haele Nov 2025 #4

TheFarseer

(9,770 posts)
1. Ok
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 10:55 PM
Nov 2025

How is Trump touting a peace proposal and the next day his Secretary of State is saying that’s not the proposal we support. And how is it possible this happens all the time? Is this the most dis functional administration is history?

Emrys

(9,100 posts)
5. A more recent tweet from Weiss:
Sun Nov 23, 2025, 02:55 AM
Nov 2025
Michael Weiss
@michaeldweiss

Now Rubio says this:

Marco Rubio
@marcorubio

The peace proposal was authored by the U.S.

It is offered as a strong framework for ongoing negotiations

It is based on input from the Russian side. But it is also based on previous and ongoing input from Ukraine.


Marco Rubio
@marcorubio

Ending a complex and deadly war such as the one in Ukraine requires an extensive exchange of serious and realistic ideas. And achieving a durable peace will require both sides to agree to difficult but necessary concessions. That is why we are and will continue to develop a list of potential ideas for ending this war based on input from both sides of this conflict.


Much confusion abounds, along with the sense that for some reason, somebody's lying.

And now a new twist in the fog of war Dmitriev's stirred up:

Michael Weiss
@michaeldweiss

No journalist I’ve spoken to in the last three days believes this. Everyone agrees Dmitriev leaked it. But that Dmitriev is eager to pretend otherwise is very interesting.

Kirill Dmitriev
@kadmitriev

Facts:
1. Ukraine leaked the US peace plan through deputy Honcharenko👇
2. A U.S. official confirmed to WSJ that in this leaked plan one point was changed from “an audit of all international aid” to the “full amnesty”
3. Russia did not leak the plan or its existence / details


Kirill Dmitriev
@kadmitriev

Key point from a senior U.S. official, per WSJ, on the version of Trump’s peace plan that Ukraine published 👇

https://www.wsj.com/world/u-s-peace-plan-for-ukraine-faces-resistance-from-europe-and-kyiv-0f2bb501

haele

(15,396 posts)
4. So, US Media is run by the Russian Oligarchs.
Sun Nov 23, 2025, 02:34 AM
Nov 2025

It's obvious American Media Owners run in the same circles - have been since the late '90's, in fact .. and push narratives that benefit them and their business/dinner partners.
Been pretty obvious since 2000. Repubs could do little wrong, even when they were caught with a smoking gun and their hand in the till - and Dems could do no right, and if they fought back, they were called irrational or dangerous, u American radicals.

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