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MarineCombatEngineer

(18,025 posts)
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 01:52 PM Nov 2025

And now there's this:

Pentagon says it's investigating Sen. Mark Kelly for video urging troops to defy 'illegal orders'

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Pentagon says it is investigating Democratic Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona for possible breaches of military law after Kelly joined a handful of other lawmakers in a video that called for U.S. troops to refuse unlawful orders.

The Pentagon’s statement, which was posted on social media on Monday, cited a federal law that allows retired service members to be recalled to active duty on orders of the defense secretary for possible court-martial or other measures. Kelly served in the U.S. Navy as a fighter pilot before going on to become an astronaut. He retired at the rank of captain.

It is extraordinary for the Pentagon, which until the second Trump term has usually gone out of its way to act and appear apolitical, to directly threaten a sitting member of Congress with investigation.

In its statement, the Pentagon suggested that Kelly’s statements in the video interfered with the “loyalty, morale, or good order and discipline of the armed forces” by citing the federal law that prohibits such actions.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pentagon-says-it-s-investigating-sen-mark-kelly-for-video-urging-troops-to-defy-illegal-orders/ar-AA1R3Gc3?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=69249a5b44cc4583970a03e83148a319&ei=28

Good luck with that, this will go about as far, if even that, as the Comey and James cases.
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And now there's this: (Original Post) MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 OP
They are threatening to court marital a sitting senator for telling troops to follow the law. Irish_Dem Nov 2025 #1
These people are bigger fools than anyone ever thought, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #2
The Pentagon has just disgraced it self. Irish_Dem Nov 2025 #5
As well as Republicans running for office in 2026 in AZ. ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2025 #23
Absolutely ridiculous. I stand with Senator and former Navy Captain Mark Kelly and the other lawmakers iluvtennis Nov 2025 #15
The Trump crime syndicate wants to prosecute leaders who tell people to follow the law. Irish_Dem Nov 2025 #22
And Flynn walks around scott free. GP6971 Nov 2025 #3
Unfortunately, that's true, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #4
Don't forget liberalgunwilltravel Nov 2025 #11
They should be recalled to active duty and face a Court Martial for insurrection and treason, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #12
Maybe not in THIS administration Jilly_in_VA Nov 2025 #31
I would like nothing better than to see a Democratic Admin. prosecute these traitors to our country, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #33
AMEN, brother! Jilly_in_VA Nov 2025 #35
Flynn is a traitor and belongs in a supermax prison for life. Irish_Dem Nov 2025 #6
Basically admitting that they know the Toddler in Chief is issuing illegal orders. tanyev Nov 2025 #7
DURec leftstreet Nov 2025 #8
I smell Hegseth... Fil1957 Nov 2025 #9
His alcohol smelling breath is all over this, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #10
So I have a conspiracy theory on this angrychair Nov 2025 #13
A unitary executive with immunity is above the law say the sophists Ponietz Nov 2025 #26
Is it in his core duties to issue illegal orders? Dave says Nov 2025 #29
It's KAROLINE Jilly_in_VA Nov 2025 #32
Yeah, sure, go ahead mcar Nov 2025 #14
Not the point OrangeJoe Nov 2025 #21
Yes, I'm aware of that mcar Nov 2025 #25
Let's hope so OrangeJoe Nov 2025 #36
These charges are to make points with illiterate/uneducated MAGAts. UTUSN Nov 2025 #16
Given the disclosure of the sourcing of X MAGA posts yesterday Ponietz Nov 2025 #27
Kelly is an American hero. Is Trump dead yet? Joinfortmill Nov 2025 #17
It eats Dear Leader up more than anything UTUSN Nov 2025 #30
There is no end to the shame the republicans will paint themselves with Augiedog Nov 2025 #18
God, Pete Hegseth is one crazy asshole. Initech Nov 2025 #19
Oh good lord! Talk about drunk on power! Please continue digging that deep hole you are already in! KitFox Nov 2025 #20
Appears the Pentagon has some Officers loyal to Donvict to do this KS Toronado Nov 2025 #24
"the video interfered with the "loyalty, morale, or good order and discipline of the armed forces" Dave Bowman Nov 2025 #28
Yeah right it did Jilly_in_VA Nov 2025 #34

Irish_Dem

(80,924 posts)
1. They are threatening to court marital a sitting senator for telling troops to follow the law.
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 01:55 PM
Nov 2025

A decorated combat veteran as well a sitting senator.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,025 posts)
2. These people are bigger fools than anyone ever thought,
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 01:58 PM
Nov 2025

Mark Kelly is a national hero, and here in AZ, he's revered, this is going to badly backfire on Kegsbreath.

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,844 posts)
23. As well as Republicans running for office in 2026 in AZ.
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 05:02 PM
Nov 2025

From Federal offices on down. ALL Republicans will be tied to the Trump regime and to Pete Hegseth.

This cannot bode well for Republicans at any level.

iluvtennis

(21,492 posts)
15. Absolutely ridiculous. I stand with Senator and former Navy Captain Mark Kelly and the other lawmakers
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 04:27 PM
Nov 2025

Let's investigate and prosecute the one who got 5 deferrals for bone spurs to avoid military service.

Irish_Dem

(80,924 posts)
22. The Trump crime syndicate wants to prosecute leaders who tell people to follow the law.
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 05:01 PM
Nov 2025

Yes I stand with those who are doing the right thing.

liberalgunwilltravel

(1,185 posts)
11. Don't forget
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 04:18 PM
Nov 2025

Scott Perry and Doug Mastriano. Both retired officers and both actively participated in the insurrection.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,025 posts)
12. They should be recalled to active duty and face a Court Martial for insurrection and treason,
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 04:20 PM
Nov 2025

but we both know that's never going to happen.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,025 posts)
33. I would like nothing better than to see a Democratic Admin. prosecute these traitors to our country,
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 07:12 PM
Nov 2025

and I would love to see it broadcast live, I bet it would get ratings never seen before, it would be......EPIC!!

Irish_Dem

(80,924 posts)
6. Flynn is a traitor and belongs in a supermax prison for life.
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 02:28 PM
Nov 2025

And yet he walks free while good people are people persecuted and threatened.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,025 posts)
10. His alcohol smelling breath is all over this,
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 04:18 PM
Nov 2025

he's stepped into a steaming pile of shit by going after this national hero.
I suspect that Kegsbreath is jealous of Sen. Kelly because he can't even come close to what the Sen. has accomplished in his life, Military and Civilian.

angrychair

(12,178 posts)
13. So I have a conspiracy theory on this
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 04:22 PM
Nov 2025

So in a little reported quip from carolyn leavitt during a press conference on that video said that if the president says it it's not illegal.

I think they are going to make the argument that, based on the SCOTUS ruling that the president can't do anything illegal in the performance of his core duties that any order he gives as commander in chief is therefore always legal

I'm not a lawyer so take that with a grain of salt.

Dave says

(5,400 posts)
29. Is it in his core duties to issue illegal orders?
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 05:54 PM
Nov 2025

An illegal order would be one that violates existing law or the Constitution. Right? So how would issuance of such a law be within core duties?

There are plenty of things not legislated or in the C, on these the President can and should issue orders if he or she feels it’s necessary to secure our liberty or freedom. But there is plenty where conduct is defined and issuing orders against these would be illegal. Take it to court if something is unclear. Hell, he’s got a rubber stamp of a SCOTUS. Nothing to fear there DJT.

mcar

(45,926 posts)
14. Yeah, sure, go ahead
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 04:24 PM
Nov 2025

waste our time and tax dollars on yet another vindictive action - this time against an American hero. That's for sure gonna help you win the midterms.

OrangeJoe

(558 posts)
21. Not the point
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 05:00 PM
Nov 2025

The purpose of these persecutions (Sen Kelly, James Comey, Ms James, etc) is to make headlines for his MAGA base and cause financial hardship for anyone they go after. Sitting here it’s easy to say “I’d tell him to go f… himself” but that’s really a dumb answer.

When the Department of (In)Justice comes after you you need to lawyer up big time. Trump’s legal expenses are covered by us taxpayers. The defendants will be forced to spend tens of thousands of dollars every week to take care of the army of lawyers and staff needed to prepare a defense.

People on the sidelines but, as for now, out of the administration’s crosshairs, note that and temper their conduct and statements because they have no desire to take their turn in the barrel.

OrangeJoe

(558 posts)
36. Let's hope so
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 08:00 PM
Nov 2025

We really need a 30+ seat swing in the House to drive a wedge in the Republican party & stop this madness.

UTUSN

(77,585 posts)
16. These charges are to make points with illiterate/uneducated MAGAts.
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 04:30 PM
Nov 2025

Even MAGAts who are veterans know that illegal orders are subject to be disobeyed. The only justification that Dear Leaders offers them honestly is that Dear Leader openly says he wants retribution/vengeance on anybody who put him through charges, never mind that those charges were legitimate. They're fine with that, even if they admit there's no legitimacy to the current things.





Ponietz

(4,276 posts)
27. Given the disclosure of the sourcing of X MAGA posts yesterday
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 05:40 PM
Nov 2025

These actions are as much to score points with America’s enemies abroad.

UTUSN

(77,585 posts)
30. It eats Dear Leader up more than anything
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 07:05 PM
Nov 2025

that there are people of authentic accomplishments and worth that he can never match.




Initech

(108,528 posts)
19. God, Pete Hegseth is one crazy asshole.
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 04:36 PM
Nov 2025

He's the one who should be arrested and court martialed.

KitFox

(542 posts)
20. Oh good lord! Talk about drunk on power! Please continue digging that deep hole you are already in!
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 04:58 PM
Nov 2025

How pathetically idiotic! And just like the myriad of other bungled retribution crap and handling of the Epstein files, they highlight their foolish incompetence and keep the stories afloat to their detriment. There is no bottom to this madness.

KS Toronado

(23,720 posts)
24. Appears the Pentagon has some Officers loyal to Donvict to do this
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 05:02 PM
Nov 2025

that or they're scared to death of going against his illegal orders which is exactly what Kelly told them.

Dave Bowman

(7,088 posts)
28. "the video interfered with the "loyalty, morale, or good order and discipline of the armed forces"
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 05:45 PM
Nov 2025

Pretty sure that the morale is at an all time low because of the idiots in charge. Mark Kelly has all my respect.

Jilly_in_VA

(14,269 posts)
34. Yeah right it did
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 07:12 PM
Nov 2025

Morale is at such a low even among civilians that my grandson, who'd been planning to enlist after his HS graduation for the education and spousal benefits, has delayed both enlistment and marriage (thank goodness on the second, from grandma's POV, although I like his GF very much) until AFTER this administration is gone and is working for a building contractor.

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