Did the jury dismiss the verdict in the E Jean Caroll rape case?

[Sugarcoated]

A Trumper acquaintance is insisting this is the case, I looked and not seeing what he's talking about. I think he's lying through his teeth

[yardwork]

1. This is not difficult to look up using google.

I'm not sure what you're asking here. Of course your acquaintance is wrong and it's easy to prove that. What ask it here?

[Sugarcoated]

4. Reading legal jargon

It's confusing for me and I'm afraid I might miss some technicality thing. I don't want to insist that he's wrong when he can cite some kind of legal thing that I don't understand

[yardwork]

7. What. Google newspaper articles.

[Sugarcoated]

9. I'm not as smart as some of you guys

I want to double check and make sure there's not a technicality I'm missing

[yardwork]

15. Um hm.

[LAS14]

19. Why don't you just answer the question? nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

45. What part of "your acquaintance is wrong" couldn't you understand? (nt)

[yardwork]

49. It's a good question and I gave it some thought.

I think that too many Democrats are allowing themselves to be intimidated and bullied by Trump and his followers.

Instead of responding "Dude that's bullshit" or some more polite variation, too many Democrats are shrinking back, wringing their hands, and moaning "I don't knoooooow."

If we want to save our democracy we're going to have to get a lot tougher.

It's fine to ask for help and facts here - we all do it. But let's show some courage first. These OPs that start "I'm pretty sure this (insert random obvious MAGAT lie) is wrong but I just don't feel confident so heeeelp" annoy the hell out of me.

Show some courage, people. Fight back.

[LAS14]

20. Why don't you just answer the question? nt

[Polybius]

38. Wow

Tough crowd.

[Nittersing]

48. Sorry people are giving you such a hard time

It's why I usually only post cartoons and wordle anymore.

[Deuxcents]

12. We all ask questions here..sometimes we miss the post that has the answer and sometimes a poster is in a bad mood

Keep asking until you get what you’re looking for 🤔

[Sugarcoated]

24. Some folks do seem to be cranky with debunking type questions

This site is an invaluable resource, it's my go-to for this kind of thing.

[Deuxcents]

29. Mine, also. I get most of my information details here and thankfully, there are lots of informed posters

Very happy to help.

[crimycarny]

14. I'm the same

I get confused with some of the legal jargon myself. I don’t understand the rebuke about posting this question versus using Google. Don’t like a post, move on.

There is not only a lot of misinformation, Trump is also always filing new appeals (or threatening to) on the E Jean Carrol case.

[Sugarcoated]

23. Yeah, so much to read to get to the bottom of things

After a while my head starts spinnin.

[yardwork]

50. Really? Are you that confused by Trump's lies?

Most of them are not very clever. His lies are mostly obvious bullshit. It's fine to say so.

[vanlassie]

56. They didn't say they were asking about a "Trump lie."

For someone who is irritated by someone else’s question, I have to ask. Why haven’t you moved on? This DU isn’t yours alone. You’re starting to irritate several of us. Read the room.

[yardwork]

57. And several of us are irritated by this concern here.

Read the thread.

[muriel_volestrangler]

46. If there's something you don't understand, then you need to say what it is

not just "there's something, somewhere, that I don't understand, and I'm afraid that someone else might bring it up, though he hasn't yet, and can someone explain it to me, though I haven't yet said what it is?"

[Blues Heron]

53. Do you think Trump raped her?

[Attilatheblond]

6. I use DuckDuckGo. It seems to have less bias and doesn't track you like Google does.

[Alliepoo]

33. Uh- why not ask it here?

DU family and friends are here to help.

[haele]

2. Search in DU on E Jene Carrol.

The news and more importantly, the areticals at the time will show up.
I don't trust Google Search or newspaper search to be able to come up with any information against Dear Leader this far after the news cycle.
Or check a Wikipedia entry on her.

[yardwork]

8. E. Jean Carroll.

[haele]

30. Give me a break, I was texting one handed while holding the tree straight...

[yardwork]

44. Understood! We were putting up the tree, too!

I just wanted to be sure the OP could search on the right name, since it wasn't spelled correctly in the OP either.

I didn't mean my post as criticism of you.

[haele]

54. No problem, it just struck me as funny....

Thinking I could be like the young folks and tap out a quick post one handed while I was standing there waiting for people to decide if the tree was straight enough and the 14 year old spent 10 long minutes figuring out which way the screws needed to be turned.

[Alliepoo]

34. Are you having a bad day

Today???

[yardwork]

43. No, not at all. I was having a great day with family yesterday.

I didn't have a lot of time for reading or posting but yes, this OP caught my attention.

[Attilatheblond]

3. No. The election interference case i GA was dismissed though

https://www.npr.org/2025/11/27/nx-s1-5621960/georgia-election-interference-case-against-trump-and-his-allies-has-been-dropped

Guessing your Trumper acquaintance heard 'dismissed' and forgot Trump has been out on bail on the GA case until it was just dismissed.

[Sugarcoated]

21. Thanks for the reply

[videohead5]

5. No, it has not been dismissed

Trump has appealed the case to the Supreme Court.

[Sugarcoated]

22. I didn't think so

Thanks for responding!

[Fiendish Thingy]

10. He was found *liable* (not guilty, since it was a civil, not criminal case)

Carroll was awarded 10’s of millions in damages, which Trump has appealed.

In order to appeal, Trump had to put up the cash in an escrow account, so if he loses the appeal, the money goes directly and immediately to Carroll.

Trump is seeking to have the appeal moved from NY state to the Supreme Court - I’m not clear what the current status is on that- I think we are waiting for SCOTUS to reply.

[Sugarcoated]

16. So frustrating, gets away with so much

It seems almost impossible to have a system where justice is applied equally to all. Even when we actually had democracy, justice was never blind

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. Well, everyone has the right to an appeal

It’s just that rich folk’s lawyers find ways to drag the appeals out for a long time.

At least he had to lock up $89 million in escrow.

[onenote]

42. The $5 million judgment has been appealed to SCOTUS, but Carroll's opposition isn't due until January

The $80 million plus verdict was a affirmed by a three judge panel of the Second Circuit in September and Trump filed a petition for the full Secon Circuit. Carroll's opposition is due next week. If it is denied, as it should be, Trump presumably will file a petition for cert that won't be fully briefed for a couple of months.

[Sugarcoated]

11. Thanks for letting me run it by you guys

[Ocelot II]

13. Absolutely not. A jury wouldn't dismiss a verdict anyhow; that's not their job.

A jury awarded Carroll $5 million in damages in her sexual assault case, and a federal appeals court declined to rehear Trump's challenge. Trump's comments about the jury's findings in the first case led a separate jury to order him to pay Carroll $83 million for defaming her, and panel of federal judges denied his appeal of that decision. He is appealing to SCOTUS but so far they have not decided whether to hear the case.

[Sugarcoated]

17. Thanks for the reply, appreciate it

[onenote]

41. Status of Trump appeal of verdict in E. Jean Carroll case

There are two E. Jean Carroll cases. In Carroll II, which was tried before Carroll I, Carroll was awarded $5 million in damages. The decision was affirmed on appeal by a three judge panel of the Second Circuit and the full circuit refused to grant Trump's petition for rehearing en banc. On August 11, 2025, Trump asked Justice Sotomayor for, and received, an extension of the deadline for filing a petition for certiorari from September 11 to November 10. Trump filed his petition for cert on November 10 and Carroll requested, and received, an extension of the deadline to file an opposition to the petition for cert from December 15 to January 14.

[AZJonnie]

25. Going from memory it may be that her lawyers did not win on the harshest of allegations

And that the judge instead decided he was guilty on a slightly lesser "charge" (though not sure if's it's really right to call it a "charge" in a case like this, as I think that may be a criminal court term exclusively?).

IOW her lawyers argued he raped her and wanted the compensation based on that particular criminal act, but the judge decided the appropriate one was "sexual abuse" according to NY state law. Again going from memory I think it's because she admitted she was not 100% on exactly what appendage he violently jammed into her body, and that under NY law it's technically only "rape" if it's the man's penis, unlike is the case in many other states where rape is basically penetrating any orifice with any appendage or object.

Also I think one or two other "charges" didn't get a guilty verdict from the jury. In totality, her lawyers didn't get everything they were asking for, but still got a lot of it. That's my recollection.

Probably you'd have to be more specific in what this person is actually claiming. AFAIK IQ47 is an adjudicated sex abuser, but not a "rapist" due to NY law being (overly, imho) specific in its definition of "rape".

[Sugarcoated]

27. Thank you for the very detailed response

[Emile]

26. The Trumpster is lying.

[Sugarcoated]

28. Always

FDT with a 🌵

[drmeow]

31. I don't think

juries "dismiss." Judges/courts dismiss. Juries return a verdict. At least that's my understanding.

[rsdsharp]

32. Juries render verdicts. After they have done so, they are discharged.

Judges then enter judgment— usually on the verdict rendered by the jury — but sometimes a judgment of acquittal if the judge doesn’t feel there was sufficient evidence to support a guilty verdict.

Juries do not “dismiss” verdicts. I can’t conceive of why they would do so having just rendered the verdict, even if they had the power, and were still around to do it.

[marble falls]

36. Juries render verdicts, Judges dismiss cases.

[RobinA]

35. Juries Don't

dismiss verdicts. The jury determines the verdict and then goes ho e.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

37. Deadline: Legal Blog--Supreme Court is last stand in E. Jean Carroll's legal vindication against Trump

Trump recently signaled he’ll ask the Supreme Court to review his previous appeals court loss in the other Carroll case, where she won $5 million.

Will the right-wing Supreme Court majority rule that rape is fine if the rapist is a president and the president rapist should be allowed to defame his victims? Only time will tell.

Supreme Court is last stand in E. Jean Carroll's legal vindication against Trump www.msnbc.com/deadline-whi...

— @jimrissmiller.bsky.social 2025-09-08T18:18:54.534Z

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/e-jean-carroll-defamation-trump-loses-83-million-rcna229822

In the first of two related cases that went to trial, a jury found Trump liable for sexual assault and defamation and awarded Carroll $5 million. The 2nd Circuit previously upheld those damages in the case in which Trump has a Supreme Court petition due Nov. 10.

In Monday’s ruling, the New York-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit concluded that the five-figure damages “were reasonable in light of the extraordinary and egregious facts of this case.” The three-judge panel also rejected Trump’s arguments that the Supreme Court’s immunity ruling saves him and that the district judge who presided over the case made erroneous legal rulings.....

Monday’s decision involves the second of the two cases that went to trial, where a jury awarded Carroll $83.3 million for statements Trump made when he was still in office. The panel rejected his argument that the damages were excessive, reasoning that there was “ample evidence that Trump was recklessly indifferent to Carroll’s health and safety.” The panel noted that his statements “had a domino effect,” as Carroll “was subjected to ongoing and prolific harassment as a result of these statements, including a multitude of death threats and other threats of physical injury.”

Trump’s conduct “supports a significant punitive damages award — it involved malice and deceit, caused severe emotional injury, and continued over at least a five-year period,” the panel concluded.

The three judges on Monday’s panel were appointed by former Presidents Joe Biden and Barack Obama. In the $5 million case that’s further along on appeal, Trump had asked the full 2nd Circuit to review the case before taking it to the Supreme Court. The full appeals court declined to do so, but two Trump appointees dissented while suggesting that Trump was treated unfairly. In his forthcoming petition to the justices in that case, his lawyers might seek to highlight that dissent to a likeminded Supreme Court majority. That’s all to say that in both Carroll cases, the appeals court’s rejections of Trump’s arguments might not be the final word.

[CBHagman]

39. Washington Post: Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll

Analysis from Aaron Blake published on July 19, 2023, in The Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/

After Donald Trump was found liable for sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Carroll, his legal team and his defenders lodged a frequent talking point.

Despite Carroll’s claims that Trump had raped her, they noted, the jury stopped short of saying he committed that particular offense. Instead, jurors opted for a second option: sexual abuse.

(SNIP)

A judge has now clarified that this is basically a legal distinction without a real-world difference. He says that what the jury found Trump did was in fact rape, as commonly understood.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

52. Yes the judge did clarify this

Link to tweet

[LexVegas]

40. Jesus Christ. nt

[yardwork]

51. Exactly. /nt

[Bettie]

47. No, they did not

he hasn't had to pay the damages yet though, because he has lost the state appeal and has now appealed to the SCOTUS, which hasn't heard the case yet.

He has, however, asked the SCOTUS to overturn it...so, that has not been decided yet.

The jury in the case decided against him, a group of unelected sycophants may rule in his favor, but that has not happened at this point.

[Eugene]

55. No. The jury found in Carroll's favor. Trump is asking the Supreme Court to overturn this judgement.

E. Jean Carroll sued Trump for defamation. The jury unanimously found Trump liable and awarded a 5 million dollar judgement.

Trump countersued Carroll after she called him a rapist. That suit was dismissed by a judge.

The judgment for Carroll has been upheld at every appellate stage so far. Now Trump is asking the Supreme Court to overturn it.

________________________________________________

Trump requests Supreme Court overturn E. Jean Carroll sexual abuse and defamation verdict (NBC News)

An appeals court last year upheld a lower court's judgment that Trump sexually abused Carroll in the 1990s, and later defamed her after she went public with her allegations.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/trump-appeals-supreme-court-e-jean-carroll-judgement-sexual-abuse-rcna243124

[choie]

58. To answer your question

no the jury did not dismiss the verdict, Juries can't dismiss verdicts. Nor did any judge dismiss the verdict, The MFer is still a 34 count convicted felon.