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The age of capitalist decay: (Original Post) applegrove Nov 2025 OP
Hear, hear! TRUTH ZDU Nov 2025 #1
That's how I see it. Borogove Nov 2025 #2
Don't dispair. Teddy Roosevelt and FDR broke them in our past. They can be broken again. flashman13 Nov 2025 #3
Gilded Age repeat. paleotn Nov 2025 #4
Good commentary Paleotn popsdenver Nov 2025 #6
The wealth sucking billionaires have been at it for a while now. thought crime Nov 2025 #10
EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! popsdenver Nov 2025 #12
Sort of like uranium but it decays a lot faster, and just Uncle Joe Nov 2025 #5
In a nutshell. hay rick Nov 2025 #7
Yup. Personally, I like the 'Nordic Model'. Joinfortmill Nov 2025 #8
You cant have endless growth slightlv Nov 2025 #9
Nazi saluting oligarch Elon Musk disagrees... thought crime Nov 2025 #11

paleotn

(22,218 posts)
4. Gilded Age repeat.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 12:26 PM
Nov 2025

The logical end of unfettered capitalism. But if controlled properly, it works. See many of our erstwhile allies. Capitalism isn't good or evil on it's own, no more than fire is or a pipe wrench. It's simply a tool. When well managed, fire keeps you warm, does work, and makes life better. Uncontrolled it will burn your house down. But I don't see anyone wanting to completely ditch fire as a useful tool. Some tried "totally not capitalism" several times in the 20th century with rather poor results. Capitalist ideas were embedded in human brain wiring millennia before it ever got a name. But so are many socialist ideas.

Human brains are so weird. We can be so foolishly binary sometimes, like above, when life is really analog, continuums, and finding the pragmatic best fit from a combination of many ideas.

popsdenver

(2,305 posts)
6. Good commentary Paleotn
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 01:10 PM
Nov 2025

We are a hair away from the Second GILDED AGE........but with a whole new set of ROBBER BARRONS,.........And the Second great depression like the first Gilded Age and Robber Barrons brought on.........

And, I don't see any Teddy Roosevelt or FDR on the horizon.........

I hadn't re read Steinbeck's GRAPE OF WRATH, since the 8th grade, so recently I re-read it..........This time I was horrified, and chilled to the bone, when I re-read it, sixty years later .............

thought crime

(1,564 posts)
10. The wealth sucking billionaires have been at it for a while now.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 01:44 PM
Nov 2025

The second gilded age started on November 4, 1980. They ended the New Deal Era, broke the Social Contract, transformed and financialized the economy, crippled unions, froze infrastructure development, increased national debt, lowered relative wages, and created a lot of glamorous vanity projects. Worst of all, they made it seem normal.

popsdenver

(2,305 posts)
12. EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 01:54 PM
Nov 2025

and precisely the exact date it rolled out..........

I have been screaming my head off from the rooftops since that election was corruptly and treasonously rigged to install Reagan in the white house.........

It wasn't the "Reagan Administration" .......he was just a pawn figurehead, it was the HWBush CABAL truly running America. I was appalled at the so called "REAGAN DEMOCRATS".......HW's group did a ton of things specifically designed to OBLITERATE the middle class, and were successful at it, more than most know.......
HELL, HW had to get himself elected president, there were over 100 members of the Reagan years that were facing charges of corruption. By getting in there, as president following Reagan's years, HW was able to Pardon them all the first day he took office....and did...............

Uncle Joe

(65,137 posts)
5. Sort of like uranium but it decays a lot faster, and just
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 12:26 PM
Nov 2025

as uranium can eventually decay into lead, we know lead can cause brain damage.

Thanks for thread applegrove.

Joinfortmill

(21,169 posts)
8. Yup. Personally, I like the 'Nordic Model'.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 01:32 PM
Nov 2025

And, I hope this mess we're in will eventually move us closer to it.

slightlv

(7,790 posts)
9. You cant have endless growth
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 01:43 PM
Nov 2025

And expansion when you are living with finite resources. And war is not the way to achieve resources!

thought crime

(1,564 posts)
11. Nazi saluting oligarch Elon Musk disagrees...
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 01:49 PM
Nov 2025

The future Trillionaire is pitching "Sustainable Abundance" driven by Tesla Robots. Just buy a ticket to Mars and enjoy!

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