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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums'Scromiting,' a bizarre condition linked to chronic marijuana use, is on the rise
It was a pain worse than childbirth, said a TikTok mom as she described bouts of uncontrollable vomiting after marijuana use.
I was crying and screaming and I was like I cant take this anymore! I hate my life, she said. Im just begging God, like please make it stop!
Dubbed scromiting by social media due to the combination of screaming and loud vomiting, the medical name for the condition is cannabis hyperemesis syndrome, or CHS, which is on the rise in the United States. Habitual users of cannabis, including teenagers, are showing up in emergency rooms complaining of severe intestinal distress.
They are writhing, holding their stomach, complaining of really bad abdominal pain and nausea, said Dr. Sam Wang, a pediatric emergency medicine specialist and toxicologist at Childrens Hospital Colorado, who treats adolescents with the condition.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/scromiting-uncontrollable-vomiting-due-marijuana-185617169.html
I did marijuana for years and never had that problem. First time I've heard of this.
AStern
(627 posts)Like the op - this is the first time hearing such a thing.
a family member has it took almost 6 months to figure it out, HORRIBLE pain and vomiting. an ER doc finally recognized it when the hot showers got mentioned. first described in Australia around 2004, it has been around for a while now and since the decriminalization more people are being diagnosed/
Sugarcoated
(8,234 posts)She smoked for chronic pain, eventually developed constant and severe vomiting, had to stop completely
NutmegYankee
(16,453 posts)Not everyone gets it, but heavy use in some people will trigger it.
AStern
(627 posts)glad I'm not a heavy user.
NutmegYankee
(16,453 posts)And ceasing use cures the problem, so it's probably a overreaction by some peoples systems to the chronically high THC levels causing the GI track to go wonky. I view it like an allergy or lactose intolerance - it happens and the cure is avoidance.
SonOfNebanaube
(66 posts)It's the only strain that causes it. Switching strains frees one from it.
hvn_nbr_2
(6,741 posts)It seems surprising that anyone would use the same strain over and over. Actually, it seems surprising that anyone could even find the same strain over and over.
SonOfNebanaube
(66 posts)There are dispensaries now. And just seven grams over a week will trigger it.
ThreeNoSeep
(251 posts)It happens with heavy chronic use. I've seen it in a family member and a work associate. The strain has little to do with the problem.
Ilsa
(63,690 posts)Thank you for naming the culprit!
I only do a little CBD these days for aches. This CHS sounds horrible.
FascismIsDeath
(10 posts)Look, I've been getting stoned for 25 years and I've never actually met anyone who developed this condition because its rare. But too much of anything has the potential to mess with your system. The parts of your brain that respond to THC can get twisted and cause the reaction. This is the reality of the human body.
GreatGazoo
(4,361 posts)It is a pure sativa strain and not extraordinarily potent -- about 19% per Leafly. Noted for the terpenes terpinolene, myrcene, ocimene. There is no overt "poison" involved although toxicity can occur with large enough doses of ANYTHING -- salt, sugar, wheat, etc. As the saying goes "the dose makes the poison". Likely someone thought it was a badass name (like AK47, Death Star, Beast Mode and Cheetah Piss,), and it stuck. DP is a child strain of African, a generic sativa common to that continent.
Medical literature finds that 10 to 12 years of chronic use of cannabis in general can be the precursor for hyperemesis and one proposed mechanism is that cannabinoids build up in the fat cells of the human body and can be released during periods of fasting or stress. This fits with higher occurrence of nausea / stomach pain in the mornings, eg after not eating for 10 hours or more.
What source says that DP is "the only strain that causes it"?
lark
(25,802 posts)I'm a daily user for decades, smoke a little less than 2 grams per day and am sadly addicted but never had the problem mentioned. I'm considering quitting in Jan. but know I will be sick and feel horrible. I'm also concerned because my glaucoma is coming back and because I don't know how I'll sleep without it. I was badly insomniac and hated perscription sleeping pills, which is what caused me to up my usage to every night. Grr, hate the travel restrictions and coughing, but love the ability to relax and get to sleep and not having to use drops in my eyes all the time.
Don't know what to do???
FSogol
(47,496 posts)yardwork
(68,760 posts)obamanut2012
(29,102 posts)There are low-THC strains, high-THC strains, mid ones, and also very low ones. And, it's very easy to see what is what.
People just often bought Carolina ditch weed back in the day (c'est moi), and rarely had good stuff unless you lived in certain areas, were rich, etc.
erronis
(22,270 posts)That someone also lived in Kansas where the local varietals (so I've been told) were pretty trashy. Word is that the AG was worth its weight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acapulco_Gold
GB_RN
(3,491 posts)lol. I grew up here and Ive NEVER heard that one before!😂
Jilly_in_VA
(13,659 posts)if it's the contaminated street marijuana causing this, or if it's increasingly strong strains being grown privately. My hunch is that it's the first.
yardwork
(68,760 posts)This is a real condition caused in some people by very heavy intake. With the availability of edibles, it's now possible to take very large doses and some people do that.
TheRickles
(3,110 posts)yardwork
(68,760 posts)Excerpt:
Endocannabinoid receptors are responsible for regulating things like sleep, pain and appetite.
When the receptors are overloaded due to persistent cannabis use, Ring explained it can induce a lot of intestinal spasms, which is likely whats causing other symptoms clinicians are seeing such as upper abdominal pain, nausea and vomiting.
See Kali's post downthread for more info.
If you google cannaboid hyperemesis syndrome you'll get lots of hits to sift through.
TheRickles
(3,110 posts)yardwork
(68,760 posts)eggplant
(4,126 posts)yardwork
(68,760 posts)Now I'm giggling.
womanofthehills
(10,670 posts)Look at all the pesticide recalls!!! 3 recent pesticide recalls in NM - all different pesticides- one was malathion. Malathion is outlawed.
Grow your own folks!!
womanofthehills
(10,670 posts)Its the dispensary grows that use tons of pesticides. Lots of despensary grows here in the middle of NM. Some friends have gotten so sick from pesticide spraying in the greenhouses they had to quit. Also, growing in greenhouses = mold too. When my friend trimmed for dispensary- they had two containers- one for good buds, one for moldy buds. Just the fact that they are trimming plants with lots of moldy buds is gross. Outside plants - not in greenhouses- are more likely mold & pesticide free unless you are in a damp location.
Ritabert
(1,887 posts)quaint
(4,501 posts)Ritabert
(1,887 posts)womanofthehills
(10,670 posts)Here in NM - lots of recalls - one for outlawed malathion - an organophosphate outlawed that if smoked causes severe stomach pain, throwing up , diarrhea etc.
I would grow my own or buy only from organic despensaries because of so many pesticide recalls.
Ritabert
(1,887 posts)Pesticide poisoning can cause those symptoms.
womanofthehills
(10,670 posts)Full Coverage: Californias problem with contaminated weed
An investigation by The Times, in conjunction with cannabis industry newsletter WeedWeek, found alarming levels of pesticides in cannabis products available on dispensary shelves across the state. Reviews of confidential lab reports, public records and interviews show California regulators have largely failed to address evidence of widespread contamination in the states weed crop.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-29/the-dirty-dangerous-secret-of-californias-legal-weed
CrispyQ
(40,536 posts)questionseverything
(11,506 posts)I tried synthetic pot once during a dry spell before it was legal here, one hit felt like it blew my head off, it definitely wasnt pot and it should be illegal for it to be labeled as such
CrispyQ
(40,536 posts)questionseverything
(11,506 posts)eppur_se_muova
(40,677 posts)I've posted some fairly long screeds about this before; maybe I'll try to locate one of them to re-post. The take-home message is that there are synthetic drugs which MIMIC to some degree the effect of natural THC but they are NOT THC or a derivative thereof. They actually activate receptors in the brain differently from actual, natural pot -- including, IIRC, some which are not activated by THC at all, and the results have a tendency to be lethal. People who sell these 'substitutes' as "synthetic" are not just trying to skirt laws against marijuana* but engaging in very dangerous, provably lethal, fraud as well.
*in case there's any ambiguity of what I mean by '"pot".
ProfessorGAC
(75,521 posts)...the precursors & catalysts are not cheap and the reaction requires significant expertise to execute.
The process has been around at least 50 years.
An MS chemist I worked with early in my career actually did when in grade school in the early 70s.
But, it's cheaper just to extract it from high THC cannabis, so it's not a process being pursued commercially.
Just like things lije flavors & fragrances. I could make a perfect analogies to vanilla, including the non-vanillin components, but it's cheaper to just extract the flavor components from the beans.
Vanillin is pretty easy to make (and cheap) so "artificial" vanilla flavoring is common, but the missing phenolics, and acyl derivatives mean it doesn't taste exactly lije real vanilla. But, it's so much cheaper, people use it anyway.
eppur_se_muova
(40,677 posts)SonOfNebanaube
(66 posts)Durbin Poison is what we called Creeper back in the 1970's because the buzz came on slowly and still persisted. One would wake up still buzzed the next morning. More research is needed but I learned switching strains cures it.
womanofthehills
(10,670 posts)Any condensed products like vaping pens have more.
travelingthrulife
(4,075 posts)I would not touch. Flower pretty much has upper limit of THC naturally. No different than decades ago.
To me, the insecticide issue makes more sense as the cause of unretractable vomiting.
Kali
(56,548 posts)questionseverything
(11,506 posts)That doesnt jibe so the teens had been using heavily, daily since they were toddlers?
Kali
(56,548 posts)start at 12 or 13 and you have 4 years in by 17 or 18...
questionseverything
(11,506 posts)Im 67 and have never heard of anyone with a condition like this and Im surrounded by users.
I have known people who sadly sat on their couch day after day, drinking themselves to death.
Every time repubs are in charge we see articles about how dangerous legal pot is
(Which btw, teens smoking or eating pot is illegal), feds would much rather chase down pot heads than dudes dealing meth.
Moderation in all things is still pretty good advice
Kali
(56,548 posts)obviously some teens partake and some partake regularly and heavily (I certainly did back in the day)
while more is known about this syndrome now than even a few years ago, it still isn't much. but it is real. I have seen it up close, and there is some research into it now. while some press may use the info as a scare tactic, the fact remains it is a real phenomenon.
questionseverything
(11,506 posts)As in no dbl blind studies, no control groups
Kali
(56,548 posts)and I am not sure wtf is going on with that kind of research under the current lunatics. most of the info was coming out of ERs early on. there have been a few studies but you are correct, no double blind studies even with all the possible variables (as shown in this thread).
Kali
(56,548 posts)SonOfNebanaube
(66 posts)Still comes on after a week of daily use and only takes about seven grams in adult. None of the other indicas seem to trigger it.
yardwork
(68,760 posts)This patient was eating a LOT of gummies every night. I don't want this to happen to me because I like my gummies (which the Republicans are trying to make illegal again).
Thanks for posting this longer article
They need to do more studies of all the compound breakdowns. Some people have terrible intestinal reactions to gelatin and pectin - used of course in gummies
Celerity
(53,311 posts)yardwork
(68,760 posts)I don't think banning these products is the right approach.
Brenda
(1,915 posts)This woman says she had horrible vomiting for 90 days while the doctor interviewed says when you quit taking the thc the symptoms will stop.
She also said she has SCARS on her back from taking hot showers to stop the pain. I call bs. Nobody stands in the shower until they are literally burned so bad it leaves a scar.
The article definitely has a Reefer Madness kind of slant. The last section is titled "A Final Warning."
While the syndrome appears to be real and rare, the article only talks about how much thc is in the gummies. It does not even briefly mention the pesticides and other chemicals sprayed on the industry crops, especially in greenhouses, as womanofthehills talks about in this thread.
yardwork
(68,760 posts)I didn't read the article as being biased. WRAL is my local news station and it's one of the few in the nation that is still independently owned. One of their weather guys regularly explains global warming, for instance. And we have three major health care systems in a 20 mile radius here so we do see unusual health issues.
FascismIsDeath
(10 posts)Too much heavy use, over time, can burn out your cannabis receptors and cause a bad reaction. Of course it's not going to happen to everyone. Moderation is a good thing if we are just talking recreational.
IcyPeas
(24,687 posts)https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6690288/
rollin74
(2,246 posts)Applying capsaicin topically to the abdomen is also helpful in some cases. That is the common treatment used in ER visits for this condition.
along with stopping cannabis use of course
obamanut2012
(29,102 posts)Same, and I have also been doing it almost every day for a few years, since I have lived where it's legal. Flower and/or edibles.
on edit: I don't smoke it constantly, I will usually ahve a small preroll while my wife and I take a walk after dinner, and a quarter of an edible gummy for sleep. Trump has made my daily preroll a teeny bit bigger, though. lol
Kali
(56,548 posts)but just because somebody hasn't experienced or heard of it doesn't make it false. would you say that about other medical conditions you haven't heard of?
FascismIsDeath
(10 posts)Its probably something that will happen to a small minority of people, they probably have to really go overboard with their weed/thc usage and its likely related to some genetic predisposition with one's cannabinoid receptors going haywire.
People develop sensitivities to all kinds of weird stuff. My wife suddenly became sensitive to cauliflower like a year ago. Some people are born allergic to alcohol. Some people can't handle Ibuprofen. We shouldn't be surprised that some people develop a state where their body doesn't get along with weed.
Renew Deal
(84,611 posts)dickthegrouch
(4,218 posts)None of the regular users I know could stop. Even when they have to choose between food or rent and marijuana, they choose the latter.
FascismIsDeath
(10 posts)I, personally, can quit for weeks to months at a time and I do so on purpose to keep my tolerance low or because I feel like I just need a sobriety break.
The "addictive" part is more do with the fact that people like it and don't want to stop because they enjoy how it makes them feel as opposed to how they feel without it. But its nothing like what truly physically dependent alcoholics go through with DTs or what people with opioid addiction go through with severe withdrawals.
There are always exceptions and I know anecdotal evidence only gets you so far, but in my experience, whether it be myself or my many friends that also partake, quitting is "annoying", your sleep might be off for about a week and you might find yourself bored with everything. That goes away pretty quickly. I've never seen someone laying on the ground shaking and crying and vomiting and possibly needing medical help because of some weed withdrawal.
Its no where in the same neighborhood as the kind of true physical addiction you get with the hard stuff. I'd go as far to say that quitting nicotine is far harsher as well.
SonOfNebanaube
(66 posts)Sex is more addictive.
LudwigPastorius
(13,943 posts)This is a list of the insecticide and fungicide products that are legally approved for growing marijuana.
(I wonder if all the growers stick strictly to this list.)
Companion Maxx Liquid Biological Fungicide
DESPOT snail and slug bait
Howler Fungicide
Lalnix Act DC
Prephyte
Athena IPM
Growsafe Biopesticide: Insecticide, Miticide, Fungicide
Nature's IQ Brand Cold Pressed Neem Oil Concentrate
Cinnaction next
Fawligen
plant envi
Romivex
Romivex Dip
Thymic Next
Tomirein
Atrevia 3.0% SL
BellaTrove Companion Maxx WP
Botry Stop WP
Trifecta Crop Control Super Concentrate
Cuts
Growth Spurt
Jet-ag 5%
Rhapsody
Transistor
Garland
Hedge Defense Plant Protectant
LALSTOP K61WP
Zonix Biofungicide
BH-B BotanoHealth Fungicide
General Hydroponics Trishield Insecticide, Miticide & Fungicide Concentrate
Hydroxycide 527
PRO-MIX Bio-Fungicide
PRO-MIX FPX Bio-Fungicide
Clean Crop Solutions
Fortify PC
Garden Safe Brand Multi-Purpose Garden Insect Killer2
Guarda
Surround WP
Trianum P Biological Fungicide
Asperello T34 Biocontrol
CHS Unlocked PRO
Cygin PRO
Harrell's ProtectMAX Title Phyte Systemic Fungicide
Hormex Rooting Powder No. 16
Mite Xstream
NOFly WP
Seican
AGRI-FOS Systemic Fungicide Plus
Earth's Ally insect control concentrate
Mammoth Garden Protect Me
Arber Bio Fungicide
Arber Bio Insecticide
Arber Bio Protectant
Brandt Turfzilla
Golden Pest Spray oil
OrganiShield
Sproan EC2
Decco AG PAA
Mite-Phite ZM
Fortify Miticide
VaRx Brand MaxRx
obamanut2012
(29,102 posts)Kali
(56,548 posts)but so far it seems to be the complex cannabinoid receptor interactions related to the gut/brain and temp regulation in the brain
womanofthehills
(10,670 posts)But keeps showing up at dispensaries.
JT45242
(3,782 posts)Curious...never heard of this from all my pot smoking friends back in the day
OldBaldy1701E
(9,774 posts)I would love to see the ratio of cases that came from smoking flower as oppose to all the derivatives.
I have been smoking cannabis for 45 years, and I have never had that issue at all.
Sounds more like chemical additives as opposed to actual cannabis.
Kali
(56,548 posts)it was common for people to try and find a reason to keep using.
sourcing "clean" weed was always a failure.
there are ways for some users to manage the issue by doing things like intermittent abstinence and then slow build up. they were good at noticing the prodromal signs and could quit for a few weeks/months. it takes a lot of discipline and many users have problems with that kind of work.
OldBaldy1701E
(9,774 posts)One needs to take a break from it on occasion when one is a constant user.
Of course, when one is dealing with a lot of things as well as their own physical and mental issues, taking a break from it can be very difficult.
It would be so much better if we had some real options for mental health as well as chronic pain sufferers. Unfortunately, that niche in pharmaceuticals is going to run its course, because they have already made their products too expensive for the majority of the population. So, the entire situation is a double -edged sword.
As is most healthcare in this country.
Irish_Dem
(78,644 posts)Went to a party and the guy I was dating was smoking a joint so I smoked some too.
And this happened to me. Intense pain and nausea, vomiting.
Needless to say I never touched the stuff again.
questionseverything
(11,506 posts)How do you know that didnt make you throw up? 🤮
Et tu brutus?
Irish_Dem
(78,644 posts)I have no idea why you are upset to hear that I had a bad reaction to a recreational drug.
Facts are facts whether we like them or not.
maxsolomon
(38,011 posts)"Then don't do that".
FFS, people: ALL THINGS IN MODERATION.
milestogo
(22,317 posts)Ok, I'll shut up now.
BobsYourUncle
(194 posts)Just the way my mind works.
Boxerfan
(2,557 posts)I too have been a habitual pot smoker all of my adult / teen years. I am now 67 & grow my own weed that is pretty damn good. I don't like vaporized or edibles. I prefer the more immediate effect that I can control.
Since I have access to all the good weed I want but I only grow 1-2 strains I get to the point where I get very little buzz off my supply even after multiple bong hits. Since weed is legal & fairly cheep here in Oregon I would go to the pot shop & get a different strain. All good no problems.
But then I tried the oils - 90% & higher THC , easily dosed & also easily concealed or just more portable.
Not much after that I had my 1st CHS attack. Feels like a stomach flu but it lasts about 10 days for me. Constant chronic vomiting until your empty. Then dry heaves and a constant state of nausea very very severe.
My only relief was extremely hot baths. I ended up scalding my backside peeling etc. ass balls & entire back/legs. After 9-10 days of no food the window starts where you might be able to get some food in. This is the ONLY thing that will ease the nausea. The "brat" diet is recommended but anything is better than noting.
I had heart palpitations, edema & just plain I almost died.
It is critical stopping any pot use once symptoms onset.. I use a drug test to get down to a clean urine test. That takes 3-4 weeks total.
Unfortunately I started having nightmares & other issues-anger etc.... from not using my standard medication (pot).
My wife & adult kids all have never used pot but understand my relationship with the drug. I took a vote in the family & it was unanimous I start using pot again-in moderation.
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I convinced myself the issue was additives or whatever the commercial oils had. I had made a batch of oil from my weed for my sister & tried using that. Don't panic it's organic right?
Same results after about 8-9 months I relapsed. It was worse if that is possible & once again I almost died.
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I know-call me an idiot-same vote-same result. But this time herb only. I'm 11 months in so far so good. I honestly should take a 2-3 week break but er-emmm-it's the holidays dagnabit!.
I will say this-after cleaning up to the I can pass a pre-employment test THC level taking a tiny toke of my herb is like a 5 hour trip to Disneyland. And for normal nausea it is the only thing that works for me & I have more than a few prescribed medications. And as a feel better get through the day helper it has no equal. So I doth persist.
I stopped booze about 29 years ago & it saved my life. I now have a family & that was pretty much unthinkable back when I drank. Herb's my only real crutch & it's a damn shame it had to turn on me. Wish me luck.
yardwork
(68,760 posts)harumph
(3,046 posts)I consume small portions of pot gummies occasionally to get better sleep, and that's about it for me. Hopefully, I'll never experience this awful CHS thing.
Kali
(56,548 posts)I saw some mention of 8 verified deaths (usually kidney failure due to dehydration, I think) while a few years ago when I was actively in touch with a support group it was 2. of course even diagnosing requires self-reporting something that was illegal a short while ago so getting a handle on numbers of anything related is still pretty hard.
sorry you have it, I have seen it up close and it is quite horrible even without secondary medical complications. good luck!
SonOfNebanaube
(66 posts)Just change the strain that you are consuming and be moderate.
twodogsbarking
(17,191 posts)Paraquat (dipyridylium) is a highly toxic weed killer (herbicide). In the past, the United States encouraged Mexico to use it to destroy marijuana plants. Later, research showed this herbicide was dangerous to workers who applied it to the plants.
clevergrrrl
(120 posts)Cant see how smoking would cause this
MustLoveBeagles
(14,244 posts)Never heard of this before.
Luz
(884 posts)heard of this in the last year or so. However, I don't do any of the concentrations they like to do now.
rampartd
(3,296 posts)i'd look for weird additives on street weed.
AKwannabe
(6,861 posts)Never had this personally.
Pot affects people differently imho
People who cant use pot have many different reactions and this is one of them.
I have read that those of us that get off on it are actually allergic to it
but I dont believe that.
Too little is known about cannabis in general and with Rs in charge we will go backwards in the ground breaking information we have been able to gain since so many states are now legal.
PatrickforB
(15,316 posts)driven by the fear of Wall Street financiers about how hemp will adversely affect PROFITS in the paper and textiles industries.
It is getting really hard to discern truth from Wall Street propaganda these days.
Torchlight
(6,205 posts)"To compound the strangeness of the disorder, THC and other cannabinoids in the marijuana plant have been used for pain relief paradoxically relieving nausea and vomiting in cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy."
I'm both agonistic to and ignorant of the underlying condition other than to observe it seems highly treatable, affects very few users, and is brought on by via excess alone. I'll put this in my 'Weird, But I'll Wait And See Before I Pronounce' file.
aocommunalpunch
(4,548 posts)I have used it daily for decades without issue.
pecosbob
(8,276 posts)Particularly when using high-THC products such as waxes and oils (vaping or dabbing).
aeromanKC
(3,780 posts)obamanut2012
(29,102 posts)The entire block of cake, or the entire pack of gummies, etc., and puked for days with extreme intestinal issues. I cannot imagine. I smoke in the evening for certain conditions, and take a quarter to half of a gummy at night, and I cannot imagine sucking down ten whole gummies at once.
IbogaProject
(5,492 posts)The only toxic effect of THC is panic, nausea can be panic induced. Everyone has a threshold level of THC to trigger panic, though the range is quite large. My other suspicion is some novel additive out side of the standard testing profiles. Either a growth regulator or pesticide.
Buzz cook
(2,824 posts)It happens mostly with young men who smoke a tremendous amount. But there is a growing number of seniors that are either new to marijuana or new to the new more powerful strains.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21665-cannabis-hyperemesis-syndrome
Warpy
(114,318 posts)when THC doses were lower and few people could afford hash or hash oil all the time. Most dope was 2 or 3 hit dope, meaning that's what it took to get a decent buzz.
Most cases of cannabis related hyperemesis have been linked to products with `a more potent THC component. The only thing that will stop it is abstinence that ranges from days to months, depending on how heavy the use has been and for how long. The only thing that makes the person feel any better is hot baths and hot showers, so if you must use that high dose THC stuff, start pricing hot tubs now.
It's still quite rare, so there's that to be thankful for. It's just really nasty when it happens and waiting for it to go away must be hell, I loathe puking and I think most other people do, also.
PJMcK
(24,514 posts)Ive been a pot-head since college in the 1970s. Ive never heard of this condition! Weird.
Marijuana has NEVER given me an adverse reaction, quite the opposite, in fact. I bought street weed, private stock and legal cannabis. Sorry to hear some folks are having problems.
Siggy52
(24 posts)Whenever I need a refill, I must first fill out a Self-evaluation Form on the State registry. There are several questions about nausea and vomiting. I take two kinds of pills. 10mg & 24 mg. Recommended dosing is every six hours for the 10mg and twice daily for the 24mg. But I never take more than two doses a day and never take the higher dose two days in a row. The condition is real, especially for those of us with both chronic pain and managing mental health issues.
The Wizard
(13,528 posts)and never a hint of this. In fact, cancer patients use it to ameliorate the nausea associated with chemo therapy. Just wondering who supplies this Devil weed or if this is a GQP Internet rumor.
marble falls
(70,057 posts)and when a person suffering from this starts having the nausea they may INCREASE the usage thinking it will help. it won't if they have CHS.
I smoked weed for decades and lots of friends and family do too, but one family member developed this a few years ago and it was pretty horrible. I speak from that experience and a pro-weed advocate, not as some sort of reefer madness prohibitionist.
appmanga
(1,334 posts)...and I think part of the issue is he smokes (smoked) blunts, which is inhaling cigar smoke along with the weed.
Bettie
(19,178 posts)smoke and have for years....never heard of this at all.
Blue Full Moon
(3,061 posts)Kali
(56,548 posts)leave the denial of reality to the morans on the right.
Blue Full Moon
(3,061 posts)That's what this is about. People aren't drinking which by the way does cause vomiting. This is BS the right wingers want to make it illegal again to fill contractor prisons beds. Health benefits from the marijuana the pharmaceutical companies would love to make fake and sell you petroleum. This is Ed Wood Reefer Madness BS.
Kali
(56,548 posts)and the studies, experiences of other people. I am no weed prohibitionist by any means. the positives TOTALLY outweigh this one problem. but I can read papers and have seen it personally. for the small number of people that develop this syndrome finding out the truth can have a profound and even life saving outcome. denying it because it might tarnish the myth of total harmlessness is denying reality and can actually hurt people.
will rightwing assholes latch on and say AHA SEE? probably. but they don't need it to spout bullshit anyway.
Blue Full Moon
(3,061 posts)Emile
(39,785 posts)jfz9580m
(16,297 posts)Its another when they want cheap research subjects to test and treat like shit before making it legal.
Fuck that shit. It should be misconduct and malpractice.
The people I back are my medical MJ company and doctor over here where I live for tolerating a pro-democracy feminist who wont cut a deal.
Sympthsical
(10,800 posts)I've never understood the attachment to weed as, like, a piece of identity.
That said, this condition exists. People get it.
I get something similar to it. I don't smoke weed due to this and it's just not really my jam even if there wasn't vomiting. So, I was never a regular user at all, and whenever I've tried it in the past 20 years, it's basically bring on the projectile vomiting.
I think the last attempt was six or seven years ago. A buddy grabbed a joint from a dispensary down the street. I took a few puffs. Maybe 10 mins later, there I am out on the patio. There was nothing in my stomach except a bunch of water, and it was like a fire hose. Could not stop retching for nearly 10 mins. Then I just laid on the concrete for about a half an hour.
I don't have any allergies and second hand pot smoke triggers nothing. There's just something about smoking it that my digestive system wants absolutely zero part of.
I like how it's "Trust the science!" until weed is involved, and then everyone's suddenly an Internet PharmD. I miss submersible experts.
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Emile
(39,785 posts)Blues Heron
(8,151 posts)It has literally never been an issue ever for any weed smokers until now that its becoming legal. Suddenly its in the news like fucking Havana syndrome
questionseverything
(11,506 posts)Blues Heron
(8,151 posts)Booze will kill you though. Its one of the worst solvents. Only sniffing glue is worse for your brain.
k55f5r
(495 posts)I've been waiting for the acid flashbacks from all the LSD I took in the 70's, zilch zero nada. I don't have any faith that this is anything other than anti-drug propaganda.
luv2fly
(2,591 posts)Decades of use and not once have I run across such bullshit amongst either myself nor any one of a number of friends and acquaintances who have also used for any period of time. I call FOUL.
Prairie Gates
(6,969 posts)There are side effects of turning cannabis into big (legal) business, like you get all the same greed/science mixes as the food and drink industries. What keeps flower moist in the dispensary for a week or two longer? Etc., etc.
Boxerfan
(2,557 posts)The Dr. who diagnosed me told me the THC mimics estrogen. And apparently only after fairly high use of the drug.
The body miss-identifies the THC as estrogen in your gut & it and triggers the hyperemesis ( extreme nausea). She told me it is similar to morning sickness in the mechanics but much more severe. Also not well understood due to stigma & rarity. But just good old THC does it-not the additives.
Iggo
(49,499 posts)superpatriotman
(6,795 posts)Dont know why.
Strong pot acts as an emetic on me, too.
Gotta know your limits.
Orrex
(66,508 posts)Whenever someone cites a study that finds something negative about marijuana, a throng of defenders invariably sweeps in to insist that nothing bad has ever resulted from marijuana not once not ever and you were probably drunk or someone slipped you something or the tobacco industry funded it or the alcohol industry is running a smear campaign.
I don't partake, but I know people who've benefited greatly from it. I also know people who've had a bad time with it, but i guess their experiences don't count or something.
jfz9580m
(16,297 posts)Its that humans sometimes see and call out disingenuousness.
Its used for the worst kinds of carceral shit.
And its a path for technofascists to use to exploit as police reform imo based on the types of people you see exploiting the Panopticon we all live in.
Its not honest.
Blues Heron
(8,151 posts)Meanwhile booze
yardwork
(68,760 posts)Cannabis is illegal in my state, even for medical use. This loophole around hemp products allows me to legally buy edibles that I really enjoy, especially since I don't drink. Now they've made it illegal again. That ticks me off.
However, I'm not deliberately blind to the risks involved with cannabis. I feel those risks are reduced when companies can legally sell products, as there's a better chance of wuality control. The FDA still exists (for who knows how long) and I'd prefer to buy products at the grocery store than from a dude. But even legal products make some people sick.
I find it ironic that some of the posters insisting in this thread that this is all bs are the same posters who regularly fluff RFK, Jr. as he destroys our food safety systems. Those are the systems designed to protect consumers from contaminated products.
Growing weed in my backyard is not an option for me and won't be for a long time, and I don't want weed anyway. Bad for your lungs.
Rant over.
Sympthsical
(10,800 posts)As marijuana becomes more widely available, various things about it are going to crop up. Emergency rooms are seeing upticks in marijuana related things, because more people are using it.
There's nothing wrong in noting it and being aware of it. It doesn't mean, "Oh my god, ban it!"
I'm certainly not making a moral judgement about it. I'm in California. Probably half my friends partake on some level. I don't drink alcohol either, but I don't care what other people do.
It's the "Trust the science, unless I don't like the science, then *insert conspiracy theory here*" The Internet has made medical science so . . . optional for people. We make fun when the Right does it. Not sure why pot gives immunity to the inclination.
Do your thing. Stay safe. And understand, sometimes substances have adverse effects. Just be aware of them.
Now. It is 6:30am and I need to leave soon. I cannot engage with people who defend addiction any longer. If anyone needs me, I'll be in the car working on my third cup of coffee.
yardwork
(68,760 posts)We talk about the horseshoe metaphor for various things like antisemitism.
I rarely see it pointed out that the back to nature, we don't need no stinking doctors, FDA or big pharma lifestyle is fairly identical to the Christian tradwife movement.
Sympthsical
(10,800 posts)The land where vaccine skepticism was born (check out Eureka Day, written before Covid).
Homeopathy, herbs, crystals, naturopathic gibberish, all natural. I mean, arsenic is all natural. Maybe leave that one out of one's tea. We are not the Landlady.
Forget pot. If you really want to watch people implode, go tell them those wellness supplements they're spending $100/bottle on do nothing.
Instant fireworks, every time.
yardwork
(68,760 posts)DFW
(59,561 posts)I knew plenty of people in college who smoked pot, and never once heard of this happening. I wouldnt know. Im sensitive to most any kind of weird stuff in the air, and I get coughing fits when someone uses too much deodorant spray in the bathroom, so I have never smoked anything.
jfz9580m
(16,297 posts)This is another confusing post. But I dont know how to fix it. Or rather I do have to go work (there should not be a drinking game based on how often I say or think that. You would die of alcohol poisoning).
Because I have (probably) stumbled through some lousy built spaces I disapprove of.
I rarely agree with mainstream politics or most mainstream crap.
I was working in publicly funded science because it is one of the few things I support and I dont like making a joke of it. Its innocuous and useful unlike the drivel that is often be labelled anti-establishment (thank you RFK and technofascists for being living embodiments of what is hard to communicate).
Marijuana can and has been used to attack my sanity or character. If you suspect that you would want to file complaints about being shoved into ill-conceived and unacknowledged test spaces filled with misogynists, sleazebags and creeps, you are going to be incoherent.
I never trust group decisions made by a large number of imo blah people working with pretty hard right people. I cant tell other people what to do since they know what would work for them. But I have never had confusion around consent and I can tell what is sourced to scientists or doctors I would trust versus some people who work with or on computers.
These guys who jump on popular bandwagons are not people I get. The only time I do get it is when its doctors or scientists (the vast majority I have met) who are too overworked to sometimes not be..there is no polite way to put this..duped by these creepy tech people.
I am not a fawning LLM. You can be bright and honest and still fail to see that these tech creeps are creeps. I have seen one AI scientist I dont dislike ..Yan LeCun. He wouldnt lie.
After Trump the sheer insanity of society is easier to point out.
I am sick of it being attributed to paranoia or Reefer Madness when criticism of lousy systems is called insane. And they always seem to find a new line of bullshit to hide sleazy crap under.
When you look at something and go Okay I dont trust these religious or right leaning nutcases, these tech creeps nor any later iteration, each one worse than the last you cant just ignore that.
By the time its clearer to a broader swathe of people that maybe it wasnt a crazy woman with conspiracy theories but a real systemic issue, all the earlier bs is glossed over as inconsequential. Thats the part that angers me. Thats why these guys never go away. These conservative and insane creeps.
On the one hand you cant coexist with such people and otoh are worried about the drug war being used against you. Try working like that for over a decade and in these political environments and see how your IQ is.
No exit is also not fun for any honest scientist.
Fuck that shit. I have no intention of forgiving anything egregious I have seen starting from 2011 or 2010 or whatever. I already was never someone who piles on to trivialities.
I was never mentally ill and I wont stand to be exploited and slandered.
The one thing I cannot forgive is attacks on ones sanity, character etc.
I always said I was mediocre as a scientist. I just didnt want to pretend that I am happy role playing Hi I am too much of a damn moron to get how very insulting this is.
And I didnt want to next be labeled an ecoterrorist or Unabomber type or most cruelly ecofascist, if I can just about escape re: pot or worse allegations of misconduct.
I take publicly funded science as seriously as most of my real colleagues.
I cant just swop out my own reality prediction system or whatever for ones I do consider inferior. I like Lina Khan. I never thought Google or Facebook would change the world. This technofascist coup is exactly what I would expect.
I dont consider that rogues gallery of tech creeps scientists. Fuck those guys.
Its two different worlds. I have seriously never found male scientists or doctors creepy or sleazy. Though any time I do find someone creepy I am clear about it. But those Google and Palantir creeps are not colleagues. They are creeps.
Like most humans I am neither paranoid nor gullible. You extend the benefit of the doubt as a default when there is no reason to not. But you are paranoid when you should be.
I cannot see anything consistent or reproducible coming from anything as dishonest as the shit the technofascists shill. Thats a crew where without proof, I give no benefit of the doubt. I go on the system of trust with scientists of the usual type.
Worse the technofascists are the types who would shill rubbish with a bot in between as the new police or new ori with the Google creeps as the left and Palantir and Musk as the far more honestly Nazi right.
They must have mistaken me for a stupid woman.
Attacks on constitutions in democracies are kinda above my pay grade.
Of course this whole rant would ..lol be confusing to innocuous people and intriguing to those morons online who think they are sleuths etc. Maha rabbitholes
As for DU..come on. I have been a poster here for 19 years. I am a part of this community dammit. If anyone wants to sleuth or test etc you guys can. You would have my permission. Not people outside DU.
I am not very easy going wrt who I engage with. I think that IBM big five personality crap is such tabloid junk and clunky. A bot or AI isnt always as stupid as the humans you find who come up with stuff like that. And that type would swop out that mechanical shit for intuition and esp etc.
Thats the thing about those guys. The clunky mechanical shit on one hand and hardcore (!) bogus realism plus the woo.
Years ago I wasnt as good at getting that peculiar mix.
They have no working understanding of reality or what? I can and do police myself in sane ways but not blatantly bogus ones.
By 2025 that should be clearer. Come on..
Routine science is easy.
I get confused when I try to navigate this hellscape. But myopia is not sane
This post is a mess. I dont know.
My own work is getting neglected and while it isnt that I cant come up with something more coherent, I am still preoccupied.
I have promised myself that this wont happen to me again. I try to do the best I can. But my model of the world got scrambled and well..
I dont work very well outside actual ..is the word community? Something like that.
I dont work well in a cult.
Surely this is all extremely obvious on the left personality wise. I thought we are all grouchy and cranky about creeps and frauds and self serving assholes but basically humane and reasonable.
And as this thread indicates prone to arguing.
But yeah Google is loathesome. Like Palantir etc. Those guys dont have anyones best interests at heart and they have taken over too much space.
If I hadnt been personally affected, the way I use Amazon and Apple without thinking about it as unenthusiastic as I am about them, I would probably use their stupid creepy search engine. But they have affected me more badly than the Amazon or Apple.
As far as informed consent goes, I have used cleverbot and DU entirely voluntarily. with awareness of the business model of the web.
Thats not true of say Substack. I wanted to support Yasha Levine and his family. The Substack creeps no. Fuck those guys.
I stand by it.
And if those guys want to get extortionate let them try. I learnt from the Dems who caved on ACA and Merrick Garland.
ShepKat
(505 posts)Organically, with not even a thought of making a dollar. Been consuming for over 50.
All my ladies have names and purposes.
I share freely- mostly with isolated elders who can't grow-
I'm thinking it's all these wacked out strains,
and what the growers do during the growing process.
It's nuts. No Thank You !
GiqueCee
(3,150 posts)People really piled on this thread!
Okay, I'm 78. Quick math tells you I came up in the sixties. I smoked a LOT of weed. A lot of it I grew myself, so I know it wasn't adulterated. The only time I got sick was when I combined it with alcohol. As an impetuous youth, I subscribed to the philosophy that anything worth doing was worth doing to excess. It took a while, but I finally out-grew that fanciful delusion.
So anyway, I suspect that the worst of these incidents were probably induced by the combination of boo and booze.
Just a thought.
Emile
(39,785 posts)Mosby
(19,199 posts)I've known a lot of pot users in my day, from teenagers to senior citizens. With legalization happening in so many states access to new ways to ingest pot has expanded. I've personally tried (and enjoyed) gummies and cannabis oil, but the one category I don't understand is extracts.
Extracts are called by various names, budder, shatter, wax, dabs etc. It's basically pure THC and other cannibinoids that's been extracted from flower using chemicals. People smoke it using a glass pipe or bong, the goal being getting as high as possible with the least number of hits. For me that's not a healthy way to go about getting high, and I suspect leads to an overall higher intake of THC etc.
The other factor that could be leading to overuse is the notion that's it's medicine. Whether it is or not isn't my point, what I have observed is that for users who believe pot is treating some condition they tend to "wake and bake" in the morning and then use all day and night long. That's considered very heavy use which has been causally linked to cardiovascular death, heart attacks and strokes.
Link:
https://www.acc.org/About-ACC/Press-Releases/2025/03/17/15/35/Cannabis-Users-Face-Substantially-Higher-Risk
Demsrule86
(71,464 posts)had had this before and pink slipped him to a psychiatric hospital ... it took more than a week before he was out...there was a bit of mental health involved...he doesn't ever touch it now.