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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(131,747 posts)
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:03 PM Wednesday

'Scromiting,' a bizarre condition linked to chronic marijuana use, is on the rise

It was a pain worse than childbirth, said a TikTok mom as she described bouts of uncontrollable vomiting after marijuana use.

“I was crying and screaming and I was like ‘I can’t take this anymore!’ I hate my life,” she said. “I’m just begging God, like please make it stop!”

Dubbed “scromiting” by social media due to the combination of screaming and loud vomiting, the medical name for the condition is cannabis hyperemesis syndrome, or CHS, which is on the rise in the United States. Habitual users of cannabis, including teenagers, are showing up in emergency rooms complaining of severe intestinal distress.

“They are writhing, holding their stomach, complaining of really bad abdominal pain and nausea,” said Dr. Sam Wang, a pediatric emergency medicine specialist and toxicologist at Children’s Hospital Colorado, who treats adolescents with the condition.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/scromiting-uncontrollable-vomiting-due-marijuana-185617169.html

I did marijuana for years and never had that problem. First time I've heard of this.

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'Scromiting,' a bizarre condition linked to chronic marijuana use, is on the rise (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Wednesday OP
This sounds like Bee Ess AStern Wednesday #1
it isn't bs Kali Wednesday #6
Happened to a friend Sugarcoated Thursday #120
I heard of this years ago. It's a real thing. NutmegYankee Wednesday #11
Oh my... AStern Wednesday #12
Chronic use is the common factor. NutmegYankee Wednesday #18
Fact is this happens after binging on "Durbin Poison"... SonOfNebanaube Wednesday #44
Interesting. This is the first I've heard of this hvn_nbr_2 Wednesday #73
nah SonOfNebanaube Wednesday #79
Nope ThreeNoSeep Wednesday #107
I was thinking it must be a certain strain. Ilsa Wednesday #114
That is scientifically and medically inaccurate. FascismIsDeath Thursday #118
Durban Poison is named for the South African port city of Durban. GreatGazoo Thursday #136
No wonder it's never affected me, I don't like Sativas at all. lark Thursday #138
Isn't marijuana more potent than the old days? n/t FSogol Wednesday #2
Yes, and edibles make it possible to take very large doses. yardwork Wednesday #16
Not necessarily obamanut2012 Wednesday #25
I *might* have known someone who brought back some Acapulco Gold back in the 70s. erronis Wednesday #69
Carolina Ditch Weed. GB_RN Wednesday #102
I wonder Jilly_in_VA Wednesday #3
Apparently not caused by contamination. yardwork Wednesday #15
"Apparently"? What leads you to say that? A link would be appreciated. TheRickles Wednesday #50
Sure. Here's a local article that contains good info, and there are more in this thread. yardwork Wednesday #66
Thanks! Appreciate this info - it's a new one for me. TheRickles Wednesday #70
It was to me too! I heard about it a few years ago. yardwork Thursday #131
"lots of hits". heh. eggplant Wednesday #78
Unintentional! yardwork Thursday #130
Also - big time pesticide contamination in dispensaries womanofthehills Wednesday #87
Actually- the pot being grown in someone's yard is chemically free womanofthehills Wednesday #113
I'd suspect the marijuana was adulterated with something else Ritabert Wednesday #4
+1 leftstreet Wednesday #7
I carefully avoid "infused" flowers. quaint Wednesday #59
Right. You don't know what's in them. Ritabert Wednesday #64
Pesticides- look at all the recalls for pesticides at dispensaries womanofthehills Wednesday #84
I wouldn't be surprised at pesticides. Ritabert Wednesday #89
Pesticides- womanofthehills Wednesday #91
Unless I missed it, the article doesn't say if it's flower or some other form. -nt CrispyQ Wednesday #5
If they were talking about synthetic pot I could easily believe the problem questionseverything Wednesday #9
I've never heard of synthetic pot. -nt CrispyQ Wednesday #10
They sell it at gas stations, you are basically smoking popourri questionseverything Wednesday #23
There is NO SUCH THING as "synthetic" pot. It's ***FAKE*** pot. There is no chemical resemblance worthy of the name. eppur_se_muova Wednesday #29
THC Can Be Lab Synthesized, But... ProfessorGAC Wednesday #37
Your second sentence is right on both counts. nt eppur_se_muova Wednesday #31
Durbin Poison --- had a card in Ca. SonOfNebanaube Wednesday #46
If the flower has pesticide womanofthehills Wednesday #94
This. I only use flower but there are hundreds of other types of products sold that travelingthrulife Thursday #143
here is some info Kali Wednesday #8
It says it starts after years of constant daily use then also says it's high among teens? questionseverything Wednesday #14
teens encompass an entire decade Kali Wednesday #32
Cedar's says, from your link, a decade of use questionseverything Wednesday #41
what is legal and what teens do is a different subject Kali Wednesday #86
I read the links you posted and didn't see any actual research questionseverything Wednesday #93
nobody was even allowed to studdy weed until a few years ago Kali Wednesday #96
here are a few links that I haven't had time to read today Kali Wednesday #98
Nah, Durbin Poison SonOfNebanaube Wednesday #48
Here's an article local to my area. yardwork Wednesday #19
+1 leftstreet Wednesday #38
Here is a decent article about the upcoming ban: Celerity Thursday #124
Yes, I'm unhappy about the new law. yardwork Thursday #132
Very odd, long article. Brenda Thursday #133
See post 42 below. A longtime DUer describes their own experience with this. yardwork Thursday #134
This seems to be caused by people that overdo it. FascismIsDeath Wednesday #13
Here's a mention from 2019 from National Library if Medicine IcyPeas Wednesday #17
apparently taking a hot shower is one of the only things that (temporarily) relieves the symptoms rollin74 Wednesday #20
"I did marijuana for years and never had that problem. First time I've heard of this" obamanut2012 Wednesday #21
it isn't super common Kali Wednesday #34
Yea I've seen articles popping up about it but never had it happen or saw it happen to anyone I know. FascismIsDeath Wednesday #45
But we're supposed to pretend that it has no side effects. Renew Deal Wednesday #22
And that it's not addictive dickthegrouch Wednesday #43
It depends on what you mean by "addictive". FascismIsDeath Wednesday #49
It only takes three days to stop SonOfNebanaube Wednesday #81
In Colorado, they should start looking here. LudwigPastorius Wednesday #24
This is any non-organic ag product obamanut2012 Wednesday #27
yeah everyone wants that to be the reason Kali Wednesday #28
And Malathion is against law to use womanofthehills Wednesday #97
Is it because of other things in pot gummies? JT45242 Wednesday #26
Which is why it should be the original, natural flower. OldBaldy1701E Wednesday #30
I was on a FB support page for folks with CHS for a couple years Kali Wednesday #36
Yes, that is correct. OldBaldy1701E Wednesday #40
I smoked marijuana ONE TIME as a college freshman. Irish_Dem Wednesday #33
How did you know it was the mj? I am assuming you were drinking alcohol at the college party questionseverything Wednesday #54
I did not drink anything. Just the marijuana. Irish_Dem Thursday #122
"Doctor, it hurts when I do this." maxsolomon Wednesday #35
'Scromiting' sounds like a combination of scrotum and vomiting. milestogo Wednesday #39
That's the first thing that came to my mind. BobsYourUncle Wednesday #80
I have had CHS multiple times so I think I can try to make sense of it. Boxerfan Wednesday #42
I'm sorry that's happening to you! yardwork Wednesday #67
Thank you for taking the time and effort to relate your personal experience with this. harumph Wednesday #68
looking for links today Kali Wednesday #90
Read my comments above... SonOfNebanaube Wednesday #111
Paraquot pot? Later research? Everyone knew of it and feared it. twodogsbarking Wednesday #47
Is this caused be eating marijuana clevergrrrl Wednesday #51
Wow 😳 MustLoveBeagles Wednesday #52
Ive been smoking pot since the 70's, and have only Luz Wednesday #53
i've got a medical card and smoke a lot rampartd Wednesday #55
Mid fifties and been smoking since a teen AKwannabe Wednesday #56
I've never heard of this either, and I suspect it is the same bullshit propaganda that has been PatrickforB Wednesday #57
And for some irony from the same story... Torchlight Wednesday #58
I guess weed isn't for them. aocommunalpunch Wednesday #60
IMO periodic detoxification is critical if you are a regular/heavy user pecosbob Wednesday #61
You don't eat the WHOLE candy bar!! aeromanKC Wednesday #62
Yup, I have known a few people who bought edibles and ate it all! obamanut2012 Wednesday #77
Maybe a new pesticide effect? IbogaProject Wednesday #63
cannabis hyperemesis syndrome is a real thing Buzz cook Wednesday #65
This was pretty much unknown in the 60s and 70s Warpy Wednesday #71
Never heard of this PJMcK Wednesday #72
I take daily doses of medical cannabis. Siggy52 Wednesday #74
Nearly 60 years of daily use The Wizard Wednesday #75
My experiance, too. And now I've been fighting cancer, pot made me hungry AND killed the nausea. marble falls Wednesday #76
exactly Kali Wednesday #83
My brother has this... appmanga Wednesday #82
I know a LOT of people who Bettie Wednesday #85
Propaganda BS Blue Full Moon Wednesday #88
denial Kali Wednesday #92
Not true. The alcohol industry is hurting. Blue Full Moon Wednesday #99
you can read my other posts in this thread Kali Wednesday #108
They want to ban it and putting out BS. Blue Full Moon Wednesday #109
I agree it's judgemental BS. Emile Wednesday #95
If it was only judgmental bs it's one thing jfz9580m Thursday #125
People taking this as a personal attack, lol Sympthsical Wednesday #100
This message was self-deleted by its author Emile Wednesday #101
Judgemental people make me want to puke! Emile Wednesday #103
Meanwhile ethanol is guaranteed to make you puke. This weed condition is so rare that no one has heard of it Blues Heron Wednesday #104
And turns out lots of du people have some variation of it questionseverything Thursday #127
It's still bullshit though, it's a propaganda attack to undermine legalization. It has never been an issue til now Blues Heron Thursday #128
Not too worried... k55f5r Wednesday #105
Maybe it's that bag of Doritos they just ate luv2fly Wednesday #106
Almost certainly caused by some bullshit preservative added to legal cannabis Prairie Gates Wednesday #110
Sorry-no. I grow organic. Boxerfan Wednesday #112
.. Iggo Wednesday #115
Chewing on a peppercorn helps superpatriotman Wednesday #116
I kind of love these threads TBH Orrex Wednesday #117
+100000 Celerity Thursday #121
It's not that their experiences don't count jfz9580m Thursday #126
It's because they elevate these very rare unknown conditions to try to defeat the movement obviously. Blues Heron Thursday #129
The responses to this post kind of prove your point. yardwork Thursday #135
And it kind of tracks Sympthsical Thursday #139
You should be growing those coffee beans on your own balcony! yardwork Thursday #141
I live in the Bay Area Sympthsical Thursday #142
I've been saying "Arsenic is natural too" for decades! yardwork Thursday #144
I have never heard of this either DFW Thursday #119
MJ has become an identity issue for me jfz9580m Thursday #123
Been growing and making my own seed for 40 years ShepKat Thursday #137
WOW! GiqueCee Thursday #140
Spot on! Emile Thursday #145
My two cents. Mosby Thursday #146
Not BS...My son got this...It was awful. He doesn't touch it now...the Doctor apparently Demsrule86 Thursday #147

Kali

(56,548 posts)
6. it isn't bs
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:10 PM
Wednesday

a family member has it took almost 6 months to figure it out, HORRIBLE pain and vomiting. an ER doc finally recognized it when the hot showers got mentioned. first described in Australia around 2004, it has been around for a while now and since the decriminalization more people are being diagnosed/

Sugarcoated

(8,234 posts)
120. Happened to a friend
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 01:40 AM
Thursday

She smoked for chronic pain, eventually developed constant and severe vomiting, had to stop completely

NutmegYankee

(16,453 posts)
11. I heard of this years ago. It's a real thing.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:26 PM
Wednesday

Not everyone gets it, but heavy use in some people will trigger it.

NutmegYankee

(16,453 posts)
18. Chronic use is the common factor.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:33 PM
Wednesday

And ceasing use cures the problem, so it's probably a overreaction by some peoples systems to the chronically high THC levels causing the GI track to go wonky. I view it like an allergy or lactose intolerance - it happens and the cure is avoidance.

SonOfNebanaube

(66 posts)
44. Fact is this happens after binging on "Durbin Poison"...
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:30 PM
Wednesday

It's the only strain that causes it. Switching strains frees one from it.

hvn_nbr_2

(6,741 posts)
73. Interesting. This is the first I've heard of this
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 04:34 PM
Wednesday

It seems surprising that anyone would use the same strain over and over. Actually, it seems surprising that anyone could even find the same strain over and over.

ThreeNoSeep

(251 posts)
107. Nope
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 07:42 PM
Wednesday

It happens with heavy chronic use. I've seen it in a family member and a work associate. The strain has little to do with the problem.

Ilsa

(63,690 posts)
114. I was thinking it must be a certain strain.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 10:40 PM
Wednesday

Thank you for naming the culprit!

I only do a little CBD these days for aches. This CHS sounds horrible.

FascismIsDeath

(10 posts)
118. That is scientifically and medically inaccurate.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 12:32 AM
Thursday

Look, I've been getting stoned for 25 years and I've never actually met anyone who developed this condition because its rare. But too much of anything has the potential to mess with your system. The parts of your brain that respond to THC can get twisted and cause the reaction. This is the reality of the human body.

GreatGazoo

(4,361 posts)
136. Durban Poison is named for the South African port city of Durban.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 09:12 AM
Thursday

It is a pure sativa strain and not extraordinarily potent -- about 19% per Leafly. Noted for the terpenes terpinolene, myrcene, ocimene. There is no overt "poison" involved although toxicity can occur with large enough doses of ANYTHING -- salt, sugar, wheat, etc. As the saying goes "the dose makes the poison". Likely someone thought it was a badass name (like AK47, Death Star, Beast Mode and Cheetah Piss,), and it stuck. DP is a child strain of African, a generic sativa common to that continent.

Medical literature finds that 10 to 12 years of chronic use of cannabis in general can be the precursor for hyperemesis and one proposed mechanism is that cannabinoids build up in the fat cells of the human body and can be released during periods of fasting or stress. This fits with higher occurrence of nausea / stomach pain in the mornings, eg after not eating for 10 hours or more.

What source says that DP is "the only strain that causes it"?

lark

(25,802 posts)
138. No wonder it's never affected me, I don't like Sativas at all.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 09:28 AM
Thursday

I'm a daily user for decades, smoke a little less than 2 grams per day and am sadly addicted but never had the problem mentioned. I'm considering quitting in Jan. but know I will be sick and feel horrible. I'm also concerned because my glaucoma is coming back and because I don't know how I'll sleep without it. I was badly insomniac and hated perscription sleeping pills, which is what caused me to up my usage to every night. Grr, hate the travel restrictions and coughing, but love the ability to relax and get to sleep and not having to use drops in my eyes all the time.

Don't know what to do???







obamanut2012

(29,102 posts)
25. Not necessarily
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:41 PM
Wednesday

There are low-THC strains, high-THC strains, mid ones, and also very low ones. And, it's very easy to see what is what.

People just often bought Carolina ditch weed back in the day (c'est moi), and rarely had good stuff unless you lived in certain areas, were rich, etc.

erronis

(22,270 posts)
69. I *might* have known someone who brought back some Acapulco Gold back in the 70s.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 04:20 PM
Wednesday

That someone also lived in Kansas where the local varietals (so I've been told) were pretty trashy. Word is that the AG was worth its weight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acapulco_Gold

Jilly_in_VA

(13,659 posts)
3. I wonder
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:07 PM
Wednesday

if it's the contaminated street marijuana causing this, or if it's increasingly strong strains being grown privately. My hunch is that it's the first.

yardwork

(68,760 posts)
15. Apparently not caused by contamination.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:29 PM
Wednesday

This is a real condition caused in some people by very heavy intake. With the availability of edibles, it's now possible to take very large doses and some people do that.

yardwork

(68,760 posts)
66. Sure. Here's a local article that contains good info, and there are more in this thread.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 04:11 PM
Wednesday
https://www.wral.com/news/investigates/painful-trade-thc-chs-er-north-carolina-july-2025/

Excerpt:
"We all have what are called endocannabinoid receptors in our brain and intestinal system,” Ring said. “For some reason, there are certain patients who use marijuana products on a daily basis, who have a down regulation of these receptors, so they don’t function as they’re normally supposed to.”

Endocannabinoid receptors are responsible for regulating things like sleep, pain and appetite.

When the receptors are “overloaded” due to persistent cannabis use, Ring explained it can “induce a lot of intestinal spasms,” which is likely what’s causing other symptoms clinicians are seeing such as upper abdominal pain, nausea and vomiting.


See Kali's post downthread for more info.

If you google cannaboid hyperemesis syndrome you'll get lots of hits to sift through.

womanofthehills

(10,670 posts)
87. Also - big time pesticide contamination in dispensaries
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 06:14 PM
Wednesday

Look at all the pesticide recalls!!! 3 recent pesticide recalls in NM - all different pesticides- one was malathion. Malathion is outlawed.

Grow your own folks!!

womanofthehills

(10,670 posts)
113. Actually- the pot being grown in someone's yard is chemically free
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 10:26 PM
Wednesday

It’s the dispensary grows that use tons of pesticides. Lots of despensary grows here in the middle of NM. Some friends have gotten so sick from pesticide spraying in the greenhouses they had to quit. Also, growing in greenhouses = mold too. When my friend trimmed for dispensary- they had two containers- one for good buds, one for moldy buds. Just the fact that they are trimming plants with lots of moldy buds is gross. Outside plants - not in greenhouses- are more likely mold & pesticide free unless you are in a damp location.

womanofthehills

(10,670 posts)
84. Pesticides- look at all the recalls for pesticides at dispensaries
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 06:09 PM
Wednesday

Here in NM - lots of recalls - one for outlawed malathion - an organophosphate outlawed that if smoked causes severe stomach pain, throwing up , diarrhea etc.

I would grow my own or buy only from organic despensaries because of so many pesticide recalls.

womanofthehills

(10,670 posts)
91. Pesticides-
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 06:24 PM
Wednesday

Full Coverage: California’s problem with contaminated weed

“An investigation by The Times, in conjunction with cannabis industry newsletter WeedWeek, found alarming levels of pesticides in cannabis products available on dispensary shelves across the state. Reviews of confidential lab reports, public records and interviews show California regulators have largely failed to address evidence of widespread contamination in the state’s weed crop.”

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-29/the-dirty-dangerous-secret-of-californias-legal-weed

questionseverything

(11,506 posts)
9. If they were talking about synthetic pot I could easily believe the problem
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:18 PM
Wednesday

I tried synthetic pot once during a dry spell before it was legal here, one hit felt like it blew my head off, it definitely wasn’t pot and it should be illegal for it to be labeled as such


eppur_se_muova

(40,677 posts)
29. There is NO SUCH THING as "synthetic" pot. It's ***FAKE*** pot. There is no chemical resemblance worthy of the name.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:46 PM
Wednesday

I've posted some fairly long screeds about this before; maybe I'll try to locate one of them to re-post. The take-home message is that there are synthetic drugs which MIMIC to some degree the effect of natural THC but they are NOT THC or a derivative thereof. They actually activate receptors in the brain differently from actual, natural pot -- including, IIRC, some which are not activated by THC at all, and the results have a tendency to be lethal. People who sell these 'substitutes' as "synthetic" are not just trying to skirt laws against marijuana* but engaging in very dangerous, provably lethal, fraud as well.




*in case there's any ambiguity of what I mean by '"pot".

ProfessorGAC

(75,521 posts)
37. THC Can Be Lab Synthesized, But...
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:03 PM
Wednesday

...the precursors & catalysts are not cheap and the reaction requires significant expertise to execute.
The process has been around at least 50 years.
An MS chemist I worked with early in my career actually did when in grade school in the early 70s.
But, it's cheaper just to extract it from high THC cannabis, so it's not a process being pursued commercially.
Just like things lije flavors & fragrances. I could make a perfect analogies to vanilla, including the non-vanillin components, but it's cheaper to just extract the flavor components from the beans.
Vanillin is pretty easy to make (and cheap) so "artificial" vanilla flavoring is common, but the missing phenolics, and acyl derivatives mean it doesn't taste exactly lije real vanilla. But, it's so much cheaper, people use it anyway.

SonOfNebanaube

(66 posts)
46. Durbin Poison --- had a card in Ca.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:37 PM
Wednesday

Durbin Poison is what we called Creeper back in the 1970's because the buzz came on slowly and still persisted. One would wake up still buzzed the next morning. More research is needed but I learned switching strains cures it.

travelingthrulife

(4,075 posts)
143. This. I only use flower but there are hundreds of other types of products sold that
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 10:21 AM
Thursday

I would not touch. Flower pretty much has upper limit of THC naturally. No different than decades ago.

To me, the insecticide issue makes more sense as the cause of unretractable vomiting.

questionseverything

(11,506 posts)
14. It says it starts after years of constant daily use then also says it's high among teens?
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:29 PM
Wednesday

That doesn’t jibe…so the teens had been using heavily, daily since they were toddlers?

questionseverything

(11,506 posts)
41. Cedar's says, from your link, a decade of use
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:13 PM
Wednesday

I’m 67 and have never heard of anyone with a condition like this and I’m surrounded by users.

I have known people who sadly sat on their couch day after day, drinking themselves to death.

Every time repubs are in charge we see articles about how dangerous legal pot is
(Which btw, teens smoking or eating pot is illegal), feds would much rather chase down pot heads than dudes dealing meth.

Moderation in all things is still pretty good advice

Kali

(56,548 posts)
86. what is legal and what teens do is a different subject
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 06:14 PM
Wednesday

obviously some teens partake and some partake regularly and heavily (I certainly did back in the day)

while more is known about this syndrome now than even a few years ago, it still isn't much. but it is real. I have seen it up close, and there is some research into it now. while some press may use the info as a scare tactic, the fact remains it is a real phenomenon.

questionseverything

(11,506 posts)
93. I read the links you posted and didn't see any actual research
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 06:25 PM
Wednesday

As in no dbl blind studies, no control groups

Kali

(56,548 posts)
96. nobody was even allowed to studdy weed until a few years ago
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 06:30 PM
Wednesday

and I am not sure wtf is going on with that kind of research under the current lunatics. most of the info was coming out of ERs early on. there have been a few studies but you are correct, no double blind studies even with all the possible variables (as shown in this thread).

SonOfNebanaube

(66 posts)
48. Nah, Durbin Poison
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:41 PM
Wednesday

Still comes on after a week of daily use and only takes about seven grams in adult. None of the other indicas seem to trigger it.

yardwork

(68,760 posts)
19. Here's an article local to my area.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:36 PM
Wednesday
https://www.wral.com/news/investigates/painful-trade-thc-chs-er-north-carolina-july-2025/

This patient was eating a LOT of gummies every night. I don't want this to happen to me because I like my gummies (which the Republicans are trying to make illegal again).

leftstreet

(38,614 posts)
38. +1
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:05 PM
Wednesday

Thanks for posting this longer article

They need to do more studies of all the compound breakdowns. Some people have terrible intestinal reactions to gelatin and pectin - used of course in gummies



yardwork

(68,760 posts)
132. Yes, I'm unhappy about the new law.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 08:07 AM
Thursday

I don't think banning these products is the right approach.

Brenda

(1,915 posts)
133. Very odd, long article.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 08:21 AM
Thursday

This woman says she had horrible vomiting for 90 days while the doctor interviewed says when you quit taking the thc the symptoms will stop.

She also said she has SCARS on her back from taking hot showers to stop the pain. I call bs. Nobody stands in the shower until they are literally burned so bad it leaves a scar.

The article definitely has a Reefer Madness kind of slant. The last section is titled "A Final Warning."

While the syndrome appears to be real and rare, the article only talks about how much thc is in the gummies. It does not even briefly mention the pesticides and other chemicals sprayed on the industry crops, especially in greenhouses, as womanofthehills talks about in this thread.

yardwork

(68,760 posts)
134. See post 42 below. A longtime DUer describes their own experience with this.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 08:31 AM
Thursday

I didn't read the article as being biased. WRAL is my local news station and it's one of the few in the nation that is still independently owned. One of their weather guys regularly explains global warming, for instance. And we have three major health care systems in a 20 mile radius here so we do see unusual health issues.

FascismIsDeath

(10 posts)
13. This seems to be caused by people that overdo it.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:28 PM
Wednesday

Too much heavy use, over time, can burn out your cannabis receptors and cause a bad reaction. Of course it's not going to happen to everyone. Moderation is a good thing if we are just talking recreational.

IcyPeas

(24,687 posts)
17. Here's a mention from 2019 from National Library if Medicine
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:32 PM
Wednesday
Cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome (CHS), once thought to be rare, is now being seen almost daily. The exact mechanism for the causation of symptoms is unclear, but thought to be due to the endocannabinoid receptors in the GI tract. Most commonly affected are the heavy users (those that smoke 20 or more times/month).2,3 CHS has been seen with primarily THC, but there are reports of CHS with CBD. Young people, typically between the age of 18–40 are presenting with frequent bouts of acute nausea, vomiting, and moderate to severe abdominal cramping.9 Patients present with the combination of screaming and loud vomiting, which has led to the term “scromiting”.


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6690288/

rollin74

(2,246 posts)
20. apparently taking a hot shower is one of the only things that (temporarily) relieves the symptoms
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:38 PM
Wednesday

Applying capsaicin topically to the abdomen is also helpful in some cases. That is the common treatment used in ER visits for this condition.

along with stopping cannabis use of course

obamanut2012

(29,102 posts)
21. "I did marijuana for years and never had that problem. First time I've heard of this"
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:39 PM
Wednesday

Same, and I have also been doing it almost every day for a few years, since I have lived where it's legal. Flower and/or edibles.

on edit: I don't smoke it constantly, I will usually ahve a small preroll while my wife and I take a walk after dinner, and a quarter of an edible gummy for sleep. Trump has made my daily preroll a teeny bit bigger, though. lol

Kali

(56,548 posts)
34. it isn't super common
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:50 PM
Wednesday

but just because somebody hasn't experienced or heard of it doesn't make it false. would you say that about other medical conditions you haven't heard of?

FascismIsDeath

(10 posts)
45. Yea I've seen articles popping up about it but never had it happen or saw it happen to anyone I know.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:35 PM
Wednesday

Its probably something that will happen to a small minority of people, they probably have to really go overboard with their weed/thc usage and its likely related to some genetic predisposition with one's cannabinoid receptors going haywire.

People develop sensitivities to all kinds of weird stuff. My wife suddenly became sensitive to cauliflower like a year ago. Some people are born allergic to alcohol. Some people can't handle Ibuprofen. We shouldn't be surprised that some people develop a state where their body doesn't get along with weed.

dickthegrouch

(4,218 posts)
43. And that it's not addictive
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:29 PM
Wednesday

None of the regular users I know could stop. Even when they have to choose between food or rent and marijuana, they choose the latter.

FascismIsDeath

(10 posts)
49. It depends on what you mean by "addictive".
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:43 PM
Wednesday

I, personally, can quit for weeks to months at a time and I do so on purpose to keep my tolerance low or because I feel like I just need a sobriety break.

The "addictive" part is more do with the fact that people like it and don't want to stop because they enjoy how it makes them feel as opposed to how they feel without it. But its nothing like what truly physically dependent alcoholics go through with DTs or what people with opioid addiction go through with severe withdrawals.

There are always exceptions and I know anecdotal evidence only gets you so far, but in my experience, whether it be myself or my many friends that also partake, quitting is "annoying", your sleep might be off for about a week and you might find yourself bored with everything. That goes away pretty quickly. I've never seen someone laying on the ground shaking and crying and vomiting and possibly needing medical help because of some weed withdrawal.

Its no where in the same neighborhood as the kind of true physical addiction you get with the hard stuff. I'd go as far to say that quitting nicotine is far harsher as well.

LudwigPastorius

(13,943 posts)
24. In Colorado, they should start looking here.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:41 PM
Wednesday

This is a list of the insecticide and fungicide products that are legally approved for growing marijuana.

(I wonder if all the growers stick strictly to this list.)

Companion Maxx Liquid Biological Fungicide
DESPOT snail and slug bait
Howler Fungicide
Lalnix Act DC
Prephyte
Athena IPM
Growsafe Biopesticide: Insecticide, Miticide, Fungicide
Nature's IQ Brand Cold Pressed Neem Oil Concentrate
Cinnaction next
Fawligen
plant envi
Romivex
Romivex Dip
Thymic Next
Tomirein
Atrevia 3.0% SL
BellaTrove Companion Maxx WP
Botry Stop WP
Trifecta Crop Control Super Concentrate
Cuts
Growth Spurt
Jet-ag 5%
Rhapsody
Transistor
Garland
Hedge Defense Plant Protectant
LALSTOP K61WP
Zonix Biofungicide
BH-B BotanoHealth Fungicide
General Hydroponics Trishield Insecticide, Miticide & Fungicide Concentrate
Hydroxycide 527
PRO-MIX Bio-Fungicide
PRO-MIX FPX Bio-Fungicide
Clean Crop Solutions
Fortify PC
Garden Safe Brand Multi-Purpose Garden Insect Killer2
Guarda
Surround WP
Trianum P Biological Fungicide
Asperello T34 Biocontrol
CHS Unlocked PRO
Cygin PRO
Harrell's ProtectMAX Title Phyte Systemic Fungicide
Hormex Rooting Powder No. 16
Mite Xstream
NOFly WP
Seican
AGRI-FOS Systemic Fungicide Plus
Earth's Ally insect control concentrate
Mammoth Garden Protect Me
Arber Bio Fungicide
Arber Bio Insecticide
Arber Bio Protectant
Brandt Turfzilla
Golden Pest Spray oil
OrganiShield
Sproan EC2
Decco AG PAA
Mite-Phite ZM
Fortify Miticide
VaRx Brand MaxRx

Kali

(56,548 posts)
28. yeah everyone wants that to be the reason
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:45 PM
Wednesday

but so far it seems to be the complex cannabinoid receptor interactions related to the gut/brain and temp regulation in the brain

JT45242

(3,782 posts)
26. Is it because of other things in pot gummies?
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:44 PM
Wednesday

Curious...never heard of this from all my pot smoking friends back in the day

OldBaldy1701E

(9,774 posts)
30. Which is why it should be the original, natural flower.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:46 PM
Wednesday

I would love to see the ratio of cases that came from smoking flower as oppose to all the derivatives.

I have been smoking cannabis for 45 years, and I have never had that issue at all.

Sounds more like chemical additives as opposed to actual cannabis.

Kali

(56,548 posts)
36. I was on a FB support page for folks with CHS for a couple years
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:58 PM
Wednesday

it was common for people to try and find a reason to keep using.
sourcing "clean" weed was always a failure.

there are ways for some users to manage the issue by doing things like intermittent abstinence and then slow build up. they were good at noticing the prodromal signs and could quit for a few weeks/months. it takes a lot of discipline and many users have problems with that kind of work.

OldBaldy1701E

(9,774 posts)
40. Yes, that is correct.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:07 PM
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One needs to take a break from it on occasion when one is a constant user.

Of course, when one is dealing with a lot of things as well as their own physical and mental issues, taking a break from it can be very difficult.

It would be so much better if we had some real options for mental health as well as chronic pain sufferers. Unfortunately, that niche in pharmaceuticals is going to run its course, because they have already made their products too expensive for the majority of the population. So, the entire situation is a double -edged sword.

As is most healthcare in this country.

Irish_Dem

(78,644 posts)
33. I smoked marijuana ONE TIME as a college freshman.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:49 PM
Wednesday

Went to a party and the guy I was dating was smoking a joint so I smoked some too.

And this happened to me. Intense pain and nausea, vomiting.

Needless to say I never touched the stuff again.

questionseverything

(11,506 posts)
54. How did you know it was the mj? I am assuming you were drinking alcohol at the college party
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:54 PM
Wednesday

How do you know that didn’t make you throw up? 🤮

Et tu brutus?

Irish_Dem

(78,644 posts)
122. I did not drink anything. Just the marijuana.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 04:45 AM
Thursday

I have no idea why you are upset to hear that I had a bad reaction to a recreational drug.

Facts are facts whether we like them or not.

Boxerfan

(2,557 posts)
42. I have had CHS multiple times so I think I can try to make sense of it.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:16 PM
Wednesday

I too have been a habitual pot smoker all of my adult / teen years. I am now 67 & grow my own weed that is pretty damn good. I don't like vaporized or edibles. I prefer the more immediate effect that I can control.

Since I have access to all the good weed I want but I only grow 1-2 strains I get to the point where I get very little buzz off my supply even after multiple bong hits. Since weed is legal & fairly cheep here in Oregon I would go to the pot shop & get a different strain. All good no problems.

But then I tried the oils - 90% & higher THC , easily dosed & also easily concealed or just more portable.

Not much after that I had my 1st CHS attack. Feels like a stomach flu but it lasts about 10 days for me. Constant chronic vomiting until your empty. Then dry heaves and a constant state of nausea very very severe.

My only relief was extremely hot baths. I ended up scalding my backside peeling etc. ass balls & entire back/legs. After 9-10 days of no food the window starts where you might be able to get some food in. This is the ONLY thing that will ease the nausea. The "brat" diet is recommended but anything is better than noting.

I had heart palpitations, edema & just plain I almost died.

It is critical stopping any pot use once symptoms onset.. I use a drug test to get down to a clean urine test. That takes 3-4 weeks total.

Unfortunately I started having nightmares & other issues-anger etc.... from not using my standard medication (pot).

My wife & adult kids all have never used pot but understand my relationship with the drug. I took a vote in the family & it was unanimous I start using pot again-in moderation.
---------------
I convinced myself the issue was additives or whatever the commercial oils had. I had made a batch of oil from my weed for my sister & tried using that. Don't panic it's organic right?

Same results after about 8-9 months I relapsed. It was worse if that is possible & once again I almost died.

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I know-call me an idiot-same vote-same result. But this time herb only. I'm 11 months in so far so good. I honestly should take a 2-3 week break but er-emmm-it's the holidays dagnabit!.

I will say this-after cleaning up to the I can pass a pre-employment test THC level taking a tiny toke of my herb is like a 5 hour trip to Disneyland. And for normal nausea it is the only thing that works for me & I have more than a few prescribed medications. And as a feel better get through the day helper it has no equal. So I doth persist.

I stopped booze about 29 years ago & it saved my life. I now have a family & that was pretty much unthinkable back when I drank. Herb's my only real crutch & it's a damn shame it had to turn on me. Wish me luck.

harumph

(3,046 posts)
68. Thank you for taking the time and effort to relate your personal experience with this.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 04:19 PM
Wednesday

I consume small portions of pot gummies occasionally to get better sleep, and that's about it for me. Hopefully, I'll never experience this awful CHS thing.

Kali

(56,548 posts)
90. looking for links today
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 06:23 PM
Wednesday

I saw some mention of 8 verified deaths (usually kidney failure due to dehydration, I think) while a few years ago when I was actively in touch with a support group it was 2. of course even diagnosing requires self-reporting something that was illegal a short while ago so getting a handle on numbers of anything related is still pretty hard.

sorry you have it, I have seen it up close and it is quite horrible even without secondary medical complications. good luck!

twodogsbarking

(17,191 posts)
47. Paraquot pot? Later research? Everyone knew of it and feared it.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:41 PM
Wednesday

Paraquat (dipyridylium) is a highly toxic weed killer (herbicide). In the past, the United States encouraged Mexico to use it to destroy marijuana plants. Later, research showed this herbicide was dangerous to workers who applied it to the plants.

Luz

(884 posts)
53. Ive been smoking pot since the 70's, and have only
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:54 PM
Wednesday

heard of this in the last year or so. However, I don't do any of the concentrations they like to do now.

AKwannabe

(6,861 posts)
56. Mid fifties and been smoking since a teen
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:57 PM
Wednesday

Never had this personally.
Pot affects people differently imho
People who can’t use pot have many different reactions and this is one of them.

I have read that those of us that get off on it are actually allergic to it …but I don’t believe that.

Too little is known about cannabis in general and with Rs in charge we will go backwards in the ground breaking information we have been able to gain since so many states are now legal.

PatrickforB

(15,316 posts)
57. I've never heard of this either, and I suspect it is the same bullshit propaganda that has been
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:58 PM
Wednesday

driven by the fear of Wall Street financiers about how hemp will adversely affect PROFITS in the paper and textiles industries.

It is getting really hard to discern truth from Wall Street propaganda these days.

Torchlight

(6,205 posts)
58. And for some irony from the same story...
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:59 PM
Wednesday

"To compound the strangeness of the disorder, THC and other cannabinoids in the marijuana plant have been used for pain relief — paradoxically relieving nausea and vomiting in cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy."

I'm both agonistic to and ignorant of the underlying condition other than to observe it seems highly treatable, affects very few users, and is brought on by via excess alone. I'll put this in my 'Weird, But I'll Wait And See Before I Pronounce' file.

pecosbob

(8,276 posts)
61. IMO periodic detoxification is critical if you are a regular/heavy user
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 04:05 PM
Wednesday

Particularly when using high-THC products such as waxes and oils (vaping or dabbing).

obamanut2012

(29,102 posts)
77. Yup, I have known a few people who bought edibles and ate it all!
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 04:58 PM
Wednesday

The entire block of cake, or the entire pack of gummies, etc., and puked for days with extreme intestinal issues. I cannot imagine. I smoke in the evening for certain conditions, and take a quarter to half of a gummy at night, and I cannot imagine sucking down ten whole gummies at once.

IbogaProject

(5,492 posts)
63. Maybe a new pesticide effect?
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 04:08 PM
Wednesday

The only toxic effect of THC is panic, nausea can be panic induced. Everyone has a threshold level of THC to trigger panic, though the range is quite large. My other suspicion is some novel additive out side of the standard testing profiles. Either a growth regulator or pesticide.

Buzz cook

(2,824 posts)
65. cannabis hyperemesis syndrome is a real thing
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 04:10 PM
Wednesday

It happens mostly with young men who smoke a tremendous amount. But there is a growing number of seniors that are either new to marijuana or new to the new more powerful strains.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21665-cannabis-hyperemesis-syndrome

Warpy

(114,318 posts)
71. This was pretty much unknown in the 60s and 70s
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 04:29 PM
Wednesday

when THC doses were lower and few people could afford hash or hash oil all the time. Most dope was 2 or 3 hit dope, meaning that's what it took to get a decent buzz.

Most cases of cannabis related hyperemesis have been linked to products with `a more potent THC component. The only thing that will stop it is abstinence that ranges from days to months, depending on how heavy the use has been and for how long. The only thing that makes the person feel any better is hot baths and hot showers, so if you must use that high dose THC stuff, start pricing hot tubs now.

It's still quite rare, so there's that to be thankful for. It's just really nasty when it happens and waiting for it to go away must be hell, I loathe puking and I think most other people do, also.

PJMcK

(24,514 posts)
72. Never heard of this
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 04:33 PM
Wednesday

I’ve been a pot-head since college in the 1970s. I’ve never heard of this condition! Weird.

Marijuana has NEVER given me an adverse reaction, quite the opposite, in fact. I bought street weed, private stock and legal cannabis. Sorry to hear some folks are having problems.

Siggy52

(24 posts)
74. I take daily doses of medical cannabis.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 04:47 PM
Wednesday

Whenever I need a refill, I must first fill out a Self-evaluation Form on the State registry. There are several questions about nausea and vomiting. I take two kinds of pills. 10mg & 24 mg. Recommended dosing is every six hours for the 10mg and twice daily for the 24mg. But I never take more than two doses a day and never take the higher dose two days in a row. The condition is real, especially for those of us with both chronic pain and managing mental health issues.

The Wizard

(13,528 posts)
75. Nearly 60 years of daily use
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 04:48 PM
Wednesday

and never a hint of this. In fact, cancer patients use it to ameliorate the nausea associated with chemo therapy. Just wondering who supplies this Devil weed or if this is a GQP Internet rumor.

marble falls

(70,057 posts)
76. My experiance, too. And now I've been fighting cancer, pot made me hungry AND killed the nausea.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 04:53 PM
Wednesday

Kali

(56,548 posts)
83. exactly
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 06:06 PM
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and when a person suffering from this starts having the nausea they may INCREASE the usage thinking it will help. it won't if they have CHS.
I smoked weed for decades and lots of friends and family do too, but one family member developed this a few years ago and it was pretty horrible. I speak from that experience and a pro-weed advocate, not as some sort of reefer madness prohibitionist.

appmanga

(1,334 posts)
82. My brother has this...
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 05:17 PM
Wednesday

...and I think part of the issue is he smokes (smoked) blunts, which is inhaling cigar smoke along with the weed.

Blue Full Moon

(3,061 posts)
99. Not true. The alcohol industry is hurting.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 06:39 PM
Wednesday

That's what this is about. People aren't drinking which by the way does cause vomiting. This is BS the right wingers want to make it illegal again to fill contractor prisons beds. Health benefits from the marijuana the pharmaceutical companies would love to make fake and sell you petroleum. This is Ed Wood Reefer Madness BS.

Kali

(56,548 posts)
108. you can read my other posts in this thread
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 08:09 PM
Wednesday

and the studies, experiences of other people. I am no weed prohibitionist by any means. the positives TOTALLY outweigh this one problem. but I can read papers and have seen it personally. for the small number of people that develop this syndrome finding out the truth can have a profound and even life saving outcome. denying it because it might tarnish the myth of total harmlessness is denying reality and can actually hurt people.

will rightwing assholes latch on and say AHA SEE? probably. but they don't need it to spout bullshit anyway.

jfz9580m

(16,297 posts)
125. If it was only judgmental bs it's one thing
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 06:03 AM
Thursday

It’s another when they want cheap research subjects to test and treat like shit before making it legal.

Fuck that shit. It should be misconduct and malpractice.

The people I back are my medical MJ company and doctor over here where I live for tolerating a pro-democracy feminist who won’t cut a deal.

Sympthsical

(10,800 posts)
100. People taking this as a personal attack, lol
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 07:13 PM
Wednesday

I've never understood the attachment to weed as, like, a piece of identity.

That said, this condition exists. People get it.

I get something similar to it. I don't smoke weed due to this and it's just not really my jam even if there wasn't vomiting. So, I was never a regular user at all, and whenever I've tried it in the past 20 years, it's basically bring on the projectile vomiting.

I think the last attempt was six or seven years ago. A buddy grabbed a joint from a dispensary down the street. I took a few puffs. Maybe 10 mins later, there I am out on the patio. There was nothing in my stomach except a bunch of water, and it was like a fire hose. Could not stop retching for nearly 10 mins. Then I just laid on the concrete for about a half an hour.

I don't have any allergies and second hand pot smoke triggers nothing. There's just something about smoking it that my digestive system wants absolutely zero part of.

I like how it's "Trust the science!" until weed is involved, and then everyone's suddenly an Internet PharmD. I miss submersible experts.

Response to Sympthsical (Reply #100)

Blues Heron

(8,151 posts)
104. Meanwhile ethanol is guaranteed to make you puke. This weed condition is so rare that no one has heard of it
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 07:19 PM
Wednesday

It has literally never been an issue ever for any weed smokers until now that it’s becoming legal. Suddenly it’s in the news like fucking Havana syndrome

Blues Heron

(8,151 posts)
128. It's still bullshit though, it's a propaganda attack to undermine legalization. It has never been an issue til now
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 07:25 AM
Thursday

Booze will kill you though. It’s one of the worst solvents. Only sniffing glue is worse for your brain.

k55f5r

(495 posts)
105. Not too worried...
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 07:21 PM
Wednesday

I've been waiting for the acid flashbacks from all the LSD I took in the 70's, zilch zero nada. I don't have any faith that this is anything other than anti-drug propaganda.

luv2fly

(2,591 posts)
106. Maybe it's that bag of Doritos they just ate
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 07:21 PM
Wednesday

Decades of use and not once have I run across such bullshit amongst either myself nor any one of a number of friends and acquaintances who have also used for any period of time. I call FOUL.

Prairie Gates

(6,969 posts)
110. Almost certainly caused by some bullshit preservative added to legal cannabis
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 08:43 PM
Wednesday

There are side effects of turning cannabis into big (legal) business, like you get all the same greed/science mixes as the food and drink industries. What keeps flower moist in the dispensary for a week or two longer? Etc., etc.

Boxerfan

(2,557 posts)
112. Sorry-no. I grow organic.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 08:56 PM
Wednesday

The Dr. who diagnosed me told me the THC mimics estrogen. And apparently only after fairly high use of the drug.
The body miss-identifies the THC as estrogen in your gut & it and triggers the hyperemesis ( extreme nausea). She told me it is similar to morning sickness in the mechanics but much more severe. Also not well understood due to stigma & rarity. But just good old THC does it-not the additives.

superpatriotman

(6,795 posts)
116. Chewing on a peppercorn helps
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 10:48 PM
Wednesday

Don’t know why.

Strong pot acts as an emetic on me, too.

Gotta know your limits.

Orrex

(66,508 posts)
117. I kind of love these threads TBH
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 11:53 PM
Wednesday

Whenever someone cites a study that finds something negative about marijuana, a throng of defenders invariably sweeps in to insist that nothing bad has ever resulted from marijuana not once not ever and you were probably drunk or someone slipped you something or the tobacco industry funded it or the alcohol industry is running a smear campaign.

I don't partake, but I know people who've benefited greatly from it. I also know people who've had a bad time with it, but i guess their experiences don't count or something.

jfz9580m

(16,297 posts)
126. It's not that their experiences don't count
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 06:06 AM
Thursday

It’s that humans sometimes see and call out disingenuousness.

It’s used for the worst kinds of carceral shit.

And it’s a path for technofascists to use to exploit as “police reform” imo based on the types of people you see exploiting the Panopticon we all live in.

It’s not honest.

Blues Heron

(8,151 posts)
129. It's because they elevate these very rare unknown conditions to try to defeat the movement obviously.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 07:28 AM
Thursday

Meanwhile booze…

yardwork

(68,760 posts)
135. The responses to this post kind of prove your point.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 08:41 AM
Thursday

Cannabis is illegal in my state, even for medical use. This loophole around hemp products allows me to legally buy edibles that I really enjoy, especially since I don't drink. Now they've made it illegal again. That ticks me off.

However, I'm not deliberately blind to the risks involved with cannabis. I feel those risks are reduced when companies can legally sell products, as there's a better chance of wuality control. The FDA still exists (for who knows how long) and I'd prefer to buy products at the grocery store than from a dude. But even legal products make some people sick.

I find it ironic that some of the posters insisting in this thread that this is all bs are the same posters who regularly fluff RFK, Jr. as he destroys our food safety systems. Those are the systems designed to protect consumers from contaminated products.

Growing weed in my backyard is not an option for me and won't be for a long time, and I don't want weed anyway. Bad for your lungs.

Rant over.

Sympthsical

(10,800 posts)
139. And it kind of tracks
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 09:41 AM
Thursday

As marijuana becomes more widely available, various things about it are going to crop up. Emergency rooms are seeing upticks in marijuana related things, because more people are using it.

There's nothing wrong in noting it and being aware of it. It doesn't mean, "Oh my god, ban it!"

I'm certainly not making a moral judgement about it. I'm in California. Probably half my friends partake on some level. I don't drink alcohol either, but I don't care what other people do.

It's the "Trust the science, unless I don't like the science, then *insert conspiracy theory here*" The Internet has made medical science so . . . optional for people. We make fun when the Right does it. Not sure why pot gives immunity to the inclination.

Do your thing. Stay safe. And understand, sometimes substances have adverse effects. Just be aware of them.

Now. It is 6:30am and I need to leave soon. I cannot engage with people who defend addiction any longer. If anyone needs me, I'll be in the car working on my third cup of coffee.

yardwork

(68,760 posts)
141. You should be growing those coffee beans on your own balcony!
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 09:48 AM
Thursday

We talk about the horseshoe metaphor for various things like antisemitism.

I rarely see it pointed out that the back to nature, we don't need no stinking doctors, FDA or big pharma lifestyle is fairly identical to the Christian tradwife movement.

Sympthsical

(10,800 posts)
142. I live in the Bay Area
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 10:10 AM
Thursday

The land where vaccine skepticism was born (check out Eureka Day, written before Covid).

Homeopathy, herbs, crystals, naturopathic gibberish, all natural. I mean, arsenic is all natural. Maybe leave that one out of one's tea. We are not the Landlady.

Forget pot. If you really want to watch people implode, go tell them those wellness supplements they're spending $100/bottle on do nothing.

Instant fireworks, every time.

DFW

(59,561 posts)
119. I have never heard of this either
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 01:04 AM
Thursday

I knew plenty of people in college who smoked pot, and never once heard of this happening. I wouldn’t know. I’m sensitive to most any kind of weird stuff in the air, and I get coughing fits when someone uses too much deodorant spray in the bathroom, so I have never smoked anything.

jfz9580m

(16,297 posts)
123. MJ has become an identity issue for me
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 05:24 AM
Thursday

This is another confusing post. But I don’t know how to fix it. Or rather I do have to go work (there should not be a drinking game based on how often I say or think that. You would die of alcohol poisoning).

Because I have (probably) stumbled through some lousy “built” spaces I disapprove of.
I rarely agree with mainstream politics or most mainstream crap.

I was working in publicly funded science because it is one of the few things I support and I don’t like making a joke of it. It’s innocuous and useful unlike the drivel that is often be labelled anti-establishment (thank you RFK and technofascists for being living embodiments of what is hard to communicate).

Marijuana can and has been used to attack my sanity or character. If you suspect that you would want to file complaints about being shoved into ill-conceived and unacknowledged test spaces filled with misogynists, sleazebags and creeps, you are going to be incoherent.

I never trust group decisions made by a large number of imo blah people working with pretty hard right people. I can’t tell other people what to do since they know what would work for them. But I have never had confusion around consent and I can tell what is sourced to scientists or doctors I would trust versus some people who work with or on computers.

These guys who jump on popular bandwagons are not people I get. The only time I do get it is when it’s doctors or scientists (the vast majority I have met) who are too overworked to sometimes not be..there is no polite way to put this..duped by these creepy tech people.

I am not a fawning LLM. You can be bright and honest and still fail to see that these tech creeps are creeps. I have seen one AI scientist I don’t dislike ..Yan LeCun. He wouldn’t lie.

After Trump the sheer insanity of society is easier to point out.

I am sick of it being attributed to paranoia or Reefer Madness when criticism of lousy systems is called insane. And they always seem to find a new line of bullshit to hide sleazy crap under.

When you look at something and go “Okay I don’t trust these religious or right leaning nutcases, these tech creeps nor any later iteration, each one worse than the last” you can’t just ignore that.

By the time it’s clearer to a broader swathe of people that maybe it wasn’t a crazy woman with conspiracy theories but a real systemic issue, all the earlier bs is glossed over as inconsequential. That’s the part that angers me. That’s why these guys never go away. These conservative and insane creeps.

On the one hand you can’t coexist with such people and otoh are worried about the drug war being used against you. Try working like that for over a decade and in these political environments and see how your IQ is.

No exit is also not fun for any honest scientist.

Fuck that shit. I have no intention of forgiving anything egregious I have seen starting from 2011 or 2010 or whatever. I already was never someone who piles on to trivialities.

I was never mentally ill and I won’t stand to be exploited and slandered.

The one thing I cannot forgive is attacks on one’s sanity, character etc.

I always said I was mediocre as a scientist. I just didn’t want to pretend that I am happy role playing “Hi I am too much of a damn moron to get how very insulting this is”.

And I didn’t want to next be labeled an ecoterrorist or Unabomber type or most cruelly ecofascist, if I can just about escape re: pot or worse allegations of misconduct.

I take publicly funded science as seriously as most of my real colleagues.

I can’t just swop out my own “reality prediction system” or whatever for ones I do consider inferior. I like Lina Khan. I never thought Google or Facebook would change the world. This technofascist coup is exactly what I would expect.

I don’t consider that rogue’s gallery of tech creeps scientists. Fuck those guys.

It’s two different worlds. I have seriously never found male scientists or doctors creepy or sleazy. Though any time I do find someone creepy I am clear about it. But those Google and Palantir creeps are not colleagues. They are creeps.

Like most humans I am neither paranoid nor gullible. You extend the benefit of the doubt as a default when there is no reason to not. But you are “paranoid” when you should be.

I cannot see anything consistent or reproducible coming from anything as dishonest as the shit the technofascists shill. Thats a crew where without proof, I give no benefit of the doubt. I go on the system of trust with scientists of the usual type.

Worse the technofascists are the types who would shill rubbish with a bot in between as the new police or new ori with the Google creeps as the “left” and Palantir and Musk as the far more honestly Nazi right.

They must have mistaken me for a stupid woman.


Attacks on constitutions in democracies are kinda above my pay grade.

Of course this whole rant would ..lol be confusing to innocuous people and intriguing to those morons online who think they are sleuths etc. Maha rabbitholes

As for DU..come on. I have been a poster here for 19 years. I am a part of this community dammit. If anyone wants to “sleuth” or test etc you guys can. You would have my permission. Not people outside DU.

I am not very easy going wrt who I engage with. I think that IBM big five personality crap is such tabloid junk and clunky. A bot or AI isn’t always as stupid as the humans you find who come up with stuff like that. And that type would swop out that mechanical shit for “intuition and esp” etc.
That’s the thing about those guys. The clunky mechanical shit on one hand and hardcore (!) bogus realism plus the woo.
Years ago I wasn’t as good at getting that peculiar mix.

They have no working understanding of reality or what? I can and do police myself in sane ways but not blatantly bogus ones.

By 2025 that should be clearer. Come on..
Routine science is easy.

I get confused when I try to navigate this hellscape. But myopia is not sane

This post is a mess. I don’t know.

My own work is getting neglected and while it isn’t that I can’t come up with something more coherent, I am still preoccupied.

I have promised myself that this won’t happen to me again. I try to do the best I can. But my model of the world got scrambled and well..

I don’t work very well outside actual ..is the word community? Something like that.

I don’t work well in a cult.
Surely this is all extremely obvious on the left personality wise. I thought “we” are all grouchy and cranky about creeps and frauds and self serving assholes but basically humane and reasonable.
And as this thread indicates prone to arguing.

But yeah Google is loathesome. Like Palantir etc. Those guys don’t have anyone’s best interests at heart and they have taken over too much space.
If I hadn’t been personally affected, the way I use Amazon and Apple without thinking about it as unenthusiastic as I am about them, I would probably use their stupid creepy search engine. But they have affected me more badly than the Amazon or Apple.

As far as informed consent goes, I have used cleverbot and DU entirely voluntarily. with awareness of the business model of the web.

That’s not true of say Substack. I wanted to support Yasha Levine and his family. The Substack creeps no. Fuck those guys.
I stand by it.

And if those guys want to get extortionate let them try. I learnt from the Dems who caved on ACA and Merrick Garland.

ShepKat

(505 posts)
137. Been growing and making my own seed for 40 years
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 09:26 AM
Thursday

Organically, with not even a thought of making a dollar. Been consuming for over 50.
All my ladies have names and purposes.
I share freely- mostly with isolated elders who can't grow-

I'm thinking it's all these wacked out strains,
and what the growers do during the growing process.
It's nuts. No Thank You !

GiqueCee

(3,150 posts)
140. WOW!
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 09:43 AM
Thursday

People really piled on this thread!

Okay, I'm 78. Quick math tells you I came up in the sixties. I smoked a LOT of weed. A lot of it I grew myself, so I know it wasn't adulterated. The only time I got sick was when I combined it with alcohol. As an impetuous youth, I subscribed to the philosophy that anything worth doing was worth doing to excess. It took a while, but I finally out-grew that fanciful delusion.

So anyway, I suspect that the worst of these incidents were probably induced by the combination of boo and booze.

Just a thought.

Mosby

(19,199 posts)
146. My two cents.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 01:42 PM
Thursday

I've known a lot of pot users in my day, from teenagers to senior citizens. With legalization happening in so many states access to new ways to ingest pot has expanded. I've personally tried (and enjoyed) gummies and cannabis oil, but the one category I don't understand is extracts.

Extracts are called by various names, budder, shatter, wax, dabs etc. It's basically pure THC and other cannibinoids that's been extracted from flower using chemicals. People smoke it using a glass pipe or bong, the goal being getting as high as possible with the least number of hits. For me that's not a healthy way to go about getting high, and I suspect leads to an overall higher intake of THC etc.

The other factor that could be leading to overuse is the notion that's it's medicine. Whether it is or not isn't my point, what I have observed is that for users who believe pot is treating some condition they tend to "wake and bake" in the morning and then use all day and night long. That's considered very heavy use which has been causally linked to cardiovascular death, heart attacks and strokes.

Link:
https://www.acc.org/About-ACC/Press-Releases/2025/03/17/15/35/Cannabis-Users-Face-Substantially-Higher-Risk

Demsrule86

(71,464 posts)
147. Not BS...My son got this...It was awful. He doesn't touch it now...the Doctor apparently
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 02:43 PM
Thursday

had had this before and pink slipped him to a psychiatric hospital ... it took more than a week before he was out...there was a bit of mental health involved...he doesn't ever touch it now.

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