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WSJ story on pardon of Honduras' drug-trafficker ex-president notes his role in âPróspera, a libertarian âstartup cityâ backed by Silicon Valley investors including Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen.â
— Gil Durán (@gilduran.com) 2025-12-04T03:52:14.369Z
âA Thiel spokesman said Thiel wasnât involved in the pardon.â
ð link:
www.wsj.com/politics/pol...
No mention that Prospera is the flagship project of the Network State cult. This is why I say this stuff isn't being covered by the mainstream media.
— Gil Durán (@gilduran.com) 2025-12-04T03:54:06.657Z
The Network State is crucial context, since this cult has seized US government control and is trying to build these cities all over the world.
One mention in a freelance story isn't coverage. An interview with Curtis Yarvin isn't coverage. One-off stories that demonstrate knowledge of the issue while obscuring the full reality from the public isn't coverage.
— Gil Durán (@gilduran.com) 2025-12-04T03:56:08.691Z
From that WSJ story:
Hernández also cultivated relationships with American business leaders. He courted Silicon Valley investors by offering semiautonomous charter city zones on the countrys Caribbean coast.
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After Castro took office, projects with links to Trump allies and donors, as well as Silicon Valley investors, were canceled or audited. Those included Warrens utility on the tourist island of Roatán, which came under scrutiny by Castros government, and Próspera, a libertarian startup city backed by Silicon Valley investors including Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen.
Hernández had made special zones known as ZEDEswhere investors could set their own tax, labor and regulatory rules under long-term legal guaranteesa hallmark of his presidency. Foreign backers embraced the idea, selling Próspera as a Hong Kong of the Caribbean. After Castro came into office and rolled back the ZEDE framework, its developers hired Washington lobbyists to pursue an $11 billion arbitration claim against Hondurasamounting to roughly two-thirds of the countrys annual budget.
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In a blog post on the week of Trumps inauguration in January, Stone argued that the new president could crush socialism and save a freedom city in Honduras by pardoning Hernández, branding Próspera as a utopian project with major implications for U.S. policy and the future of freedom throughout the world.
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The reference to Stone is Roger Stone.
The reference to "Warrens utility on the tourist island of Roatán" is to energy infrastructure being built on the island Prospera is on, the tourist island of Roatan, by Texas energy billionaire Kelcy Warren, most likely for Prospera.
Sam Altman of OpenAI is also an investor in Prospera.
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