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kentuck

(115,009 posts)
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 05:24 PM 5 hrs ago

It began with "alternative facts"..

It was his first day in office. The Chairman of the Inaugural Committee was Thomas Barrack, Jr, who was one of the names in the Epstein files.

Sean Spicer was the new Press Secretary. In his first appearance, he said that the Trump Inaugural was the largest in recorded history.

KellyAnne Conway tried to explain to Chuck Todd that it was not a "lie" - it was "alternative facts".

And we have been living in that world since those moments.

Now, every Republican that appears before a camera seems insincere and a liar at heart. They could not tell the truth if their lives depended on it. Every single Republican has come across as not only insincere, but deceitful. Every single time.

All for the benefit of Trump's lies and alternative facts.

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bucolic_frolic

(53,524 posts)
2. The party of money worshipped the wealthiest among them
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 06:12 PM
4 hrs ago

This is all about return on capital.

tulipsandroses

(8,095 posts)
3. I would argue that it started with the first big lie - Lying about the first black president not being born in America
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 06:15 PM
4 hrs ago

trump was entertained and courted and allowed to become a political figure because of that original lie.
Despite his " wealth", he was not accepted in the circles of the well heeled. Other than the gossip rags and Robin Leach - no one paid any attention to him. Then because America cannot quit its ugly relationship with racism, too many were all too happy to give him space to disrespect and lie about President Obama.
President Obama had to show his birth certificate - trump still has not showed, his taxes, Melania's immigration papers, the Epstein files and now we damn sure will not see the video of murder in the Caribbean Sea.
He should have been left to tell his lies to gossip magazines.
Everytime I hear someone say this is not who we are, I am like, the hell it is. It is exactly who we are. Otherwise, trump would have never ascended to power.

ancianita

(42,711 posts)
4. Totally with you
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 07:28 PM
3 hrs ago

until this...

Everytime I hear someone say this is not who we are, I am like, the hell it is. It is exactly who we are. Otherwise, trump would have never ascended to power.


Can you really logically think that the 74,000,000 who voted for trump -- 22% of We the People -- really represent the other 268,034,432 -- 78% -- Americans who didn't?

What we 78% have suffered at the hands of the 22% base is not who we are. So count me out.

FadedMullet

(591 posts)
7. I see it a little different. The 74 million who voted for Trump were more than half of the total number who voted,.....
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 08:06 PM
2 hrs ago

......not much more, but still more. Of all of those people who did not vote, whether registered voters or not, I believe a majority of them supported Trump and his onerous campaign of "retribution". I think that this group of supporters were more likely to be unregistered to vote or did not not bother to vote. In sum, they are "us".

ancianita

(42,711 posts)
10. "I see it a little different"... "I believe a majority"... "I think" say more
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 08:22 PM
2 hrs ago

about your mistaken perspective than about the reality of the numbers, and the reality of the majority of Americans who suffer at the hands of 49.8% of the total popular vote. And why is that.

You're totally excluding all the last few months of national polling where public opinion puts trump waaay underwater. Rachel Maddow's continual presentations of of Gallup, Ipsos and YouGov polls are not propaganda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_the_second_Trump_presidency

Look at how the disapproval numbers are steadily rising.

I have to conclude that you don't "see it differently," but that you don't see it. And every single time I read DU posters indulging in fact free talk about who we are, I'll say count me out. I'm on Earth One.

FadedMullet

(591 posts)
12. I used those three terms to make sure that I was owning the opinion and I still do. Majority of voters and votes....
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 10:38 PM
9 min ago

......does not equal "majority of Americans".

KS Toronado

(22,453 posts)
9. There was a bigger lie years before that one
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 08:14 PM
2 hrs ago

Reagan's "trickle down" economics pay for themselves, and we can see what ruin that brought us.

ZDU

(968 posts)
5. Leviticus 19:11
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 07:33 PM
3 hrs ago

Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie to another.

Checks notes... hmmmmm

KPN

(17,080 posts)
11. But Leviticus didn't mean Trump or white people, most
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 08:29 PM
2 hrs ago

particularly rich white men.

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