The Real Reason for ICE Masks and Anonymity

[MineralMan]

It's not about the fear of being doxxed and threatened at all. That's what they say, but that's not even close.

The masks and hidden identities and nametags are deliberate. Designed so those ICE agents can get away with violating the human and constitutional rights of those they grab, detain, deport, and otherwise disappear.

Nobody, and I mean nobody knows who those individual ICE agents are, other than themselves and maybe their buddies. If someone's rights are violated, or if they are injured or even killed, nobody will be able to identify the individual ICE agents who did the violations or harm. There are no records of who was there on a particular actions, I suspect, so there's nobody who can be charged for such violations of the law.

The anonymity of ICE agents is a feature, not a flaw.

We don't know who they are. We don't know how they were selected. We don't know how they were trained. We don't know anything about them. They are anonymous and unidentifiable. They can't be held to account, because they cannot be identified. It's sort of a perfect disguise for people who want or are ordered to break the laws through their actions.

I don't see any move to change any of this. We don't know how much they are paid. We don't know much of anything about those men who are mobbing people where they live, work, go to school or walk down the street. They can't be identified, so we can't hold them to account for any crimes they commit.

This is a very, very dangerous problem, for which I find no ready solution.

[bucolic_frolic]

1. That's a deeper dive than most, Congress should be looking into this

but first they must be made aware of it, and the media must report it.

[popsdenver]

19. Dream on, BF..........NC

[Attilatheblond]

35. The reason they come hard at any members of congress is to make THEM afraid so they don't come see what's happening

Support our DEMs in congress who DO go to see for themselves and don't back down in the face of how the ICE Capades man handle them

[sakabatou]

2. Kidnapping, human trafficking, (grand) theft, a bunch of other crimes

ICE should be treated as the worst of the worst.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. Well said, my dear MineralMan!

As you say, it's a feature, not a bug. All very deliberate, as well as against the law.

ICE will exist until we manage to throw the current administration out. I don't see any other way.

[ms liberty]

4. SSN's and payroll records. We arrest and charge them all and watch the rats jump off the ship

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There will be employment and payroll records.

[rampartd]

6. we'll never see that

[popsdenver]

20. That will never happen

look at all the J6ers that were pardoned by Trump/Republicans, even though they were still arresting individuals, they basically gave up.........and worse, now the Republicans are going after those who prosecuted them, and all released have probably found well paying jobs in ICE or the Border Patrol.........

[dickthegrouch]

28. Chain of custody

If chain of custody of either persons or evidence is murky, it cannot be used by a court.

If every arrest were to be thrown out due to lack of evidence with prejudice, they’d be I really hot water.

[Shipwack]

34. I don't think many of theses "arrests" end up...

In a real court. Maybe a kangaroo one. They get shuffled around and shipped off without any regard for proper paperwork.

[Billsdaughter]

43. These monsters have disappeared folks

to international parts unknown including Africa and South and Central America.

There will be no record of anyone. This grotesque fact is baked in the cake.

We have no idea yet the terror waged upon our country. The reconciliation will take years.

[Billsdaughter]

41. My thinking as well. Tax returns, Credit, financing, etc

and banking require proof of income. I assume the payroll is under DHS.

Even if it's 1099 as an independent contractor, the contract would be discoverable.

Another massive crime against humanity to add to the list.

[HarryM]

58. Exactly

Those records are not destroyed

[KPN]

5. Kicked. Great post MM ... you are absolutely right.

There is way more behind the anonymity than what they ascribe it to.

[bluestarone]

7. I've asked this before (because i do not understand exactly how congress works) I feel you are more in tuned to how

Congress works. My question if you know, is If we get the House in November of 26, can we investigate and if proven their bullshit, DEFUND ICE? If i understand it, the House follows the money spent?

[hlthe2b]

8. Well, Nuremberg trials did not go after the "rank & file" Nazis and SS... They went after those who

gave the orders... Society and the repercussions of societal disdain went after the rest

[GenThePerservering]

9. This was pretty obvious from the get-go

I'm surprised anyone needs to even think twice about it.

[MineralMan]

10. Seems obvious, doesn't it. But I'm not seeing any discussion of this

going on in official circles. They're just ignoring it, it seems to me.

[The Roux Comes First]

11. So, If one of "Them" Were to, Say, Die on the Job, Would We Be Talking About Another

"Tomb of the Unknown Soldier"?

It does sort of up the ante on resistance and pushback. While there is some risk, given their absurd costumery and toy armaments, if outnumbered 2- or 3-to-one, a citizen's arrest of these illegal stupid, cowardly, trumpfoons might proof illuminating.

[MineralMan]

12. Groups of locals have run ICE cops off several times.

They show up and insist that they leave. Typically, the ICE troops do leave. Apparently, they don't want controversy that becomes public. Too much risk of exposure.

Frankly, Noem isn't sending their best. I suspect that a majority of them could not hold a law enforcement job where real vetting and background checks are done. There seem to be some bad actors among the ICE cops, from what I've seen.

[The Roux Comes First]

33. That Was a Big Part of My Point. Confronted With Possible Exposure and Actual Investigation

(As compared, say, to the cowardly repub congressional vetting of the felon-slobs bottom-of-the-barrel appointees, e.g., for the "supreme" court), fleeing would be the natural response.

[Deep State Witch]

13. J6ers

The are most likely J6ers that learned the hard way about facial recognition software.

[IronLionZion]

14. NRA is nowhere to be found on resisting government tyranny

And I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few NRA members are ICE agents. Same with Jan 6ers, Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, militia, etc. They love committing crimes against people with no consequences.

[popsdenver]

23. The NRA was totally complicit

in channeling money from Russian Oligarchs, thru the NRA here in the U.S. to Republican candidates not only for Trump's 2016 election but down ballot to all kinds of Republicans......

[Richluu]

15. I'm told there is a $50,000 signing bonus

And an ICE on vacation with one of us in Europe said that the $200 bonus for ANY arrest paid for his vacation.

[MadameButterfly]

36. $200?

I recall them saying $2000

[Richluu]

42. You may be right

I don't have the article handy....

[Geuricol]

16. Reduced to 47 days of training

I was at the CapTimes IdeasFest this fall listening to Garrett Graff. He is an incredible writer and has done lots of research. He explained that because they were trying to hire so many ICE agents they reduced the requirements and cut the training time to only 47 days…..why do you think it’s 47????

[erronis]

17. I propose another reason: Being masked and weaponized and violent is to promote terror

The nameless and ruthless impersonal terror that threatens the fabric of society. Unknowing if the agents behind the masks are agents of some government and legal authority or of rogue elements.

No redress. No "Officer Friendly". Just hooded/bug-eyed/armed thugs.

[Bigerhalf]

18. Kinda like description of a modern day Ku Klux Klan ....... just asking ?

[Jersey Devil]

59. My thought as well - masks instead of hoods

The unleashing of hate behind a veneer of anonymity.

[jmowreader]

21. Something else you may want to consider

Because ICE agents don't identify themselves as such, no one can really be sure if someone claiming to be ICE is ICE. This creates fear in the population - you can't be sure if this person is going to arrest you, perform a disgusting act against you or kill you. And since Trump has decided to follow the Robespierre Playbook step-by-step, this is a good thing.

[calimary]

39. Good point.

[maxrandb]

22. I am going to go out on a limb here

and say that 90-95% of the new hires are pardoned January 6 dipshits.

[txwhitedove]

24. Sure, cause they learned from J6 that we could identify the bastards.

[FadedMullet]

25. MinMan - Exactly right and there has been no mention of this travesty on the media.

[AZProgressive]

26. The solution I support is relatively simple

Abolish ICE. It isn't like the police departments that seem like they have been around forever, ICE was started under Bush Jr and in fact it is a lot of Bush era policies that are enabling Trump the most to govern like a fascist.

ICE has been abducting, incarcerating, and deporting people before they started wearing masks. I think there has to be more of a solution than to unmask ICE (not directed at you but at the politicians in office or running for office).

I know at this point it isn't likely to happen but it is something for a future Democratic administration to consider.

[Sogo]

27. Whoever hired them and whoever pays them knows and has records of who they are.

nt

[doc03]

29. They may not even be ICE, just vigilantes. nt

[Captain Zero]

49. Loaners from Erik Prince, probably.

Or some such.

[Hope22]

30. Are they always male? Nt

[duckworth969]

40. Vids I've seen have shown some women in the gear

[cynical_idealist]

31. It's because the boss makes them get gnoem face surgery

and they're too embarrassed...


But seriously, they're like storm troopers and similar anonymous thugs...

[ShazzieB]

32. I always suspected that was a least part of it.

It also makes them much scarier, imo. But yeah, they definitely are hiding behind and no doubt abusing the anonymity the masks give them.

On a related note, if you Google "fuck ice" you can find all manner of merch expressing that sentiment, from stickers to posters to tshirts!

[Ilsa]

37. If they are getting bonuses for each person arrested,

then there is a record somewhere.

There should only be bonuses for actual deportations. This will help stop them from arresting US citizens. They won't want to waste time on an arrest that doesn't help with payday.

[Alice Kramden]

38. ICE hires thugs and criminals

Anyone with an intact moral compass would not participate in this brutality

[KS Toronado]

44. Spot on again MM

I'd like to see more Mayors, City Councils, Police Chiefs, Sheriffs, etc tie their hands so to speak anyway
they can, wearing masks not allowed, our Officers all have body cameras and ICE will follow suit or get
arrested, bring your weapons into the Sheriff's office so we can record the serial number and shoot a
bullet you will sign off on that that's the ballistics of your weapon, arrest them for some bullshit, disturbing
the peace should be an easy one.etc, etc.

Come on people tie their hands every way you can, make them not want to go to work!

[Qutzupalotl]

45. Supposedly, Congress has oversight authority, and any member

may demand an inspection of any ICE facility at any time. But under 47, they have been turned away or told to come back later, perhaps to buy themselves time to mop up the blood and teeth.

One strategy we could employ is to schedule a member of Congress to tour an ICE facility every day. Surprise inspections would be better, but even scheduled inspections would suspend their sadism party for a day. So we do it every day.

[summer_in_TX]

46. I wonder if there's some small tagging system that could be set up to identify them.

Might be an idea for the tech types in our midst to brainstorm.

Unique bar code in miniature?

What, where, when, and how?

[misanthrope]

47. It is also psychological

It makes them more intimidating to those who see them. It also encourages misbehavior from those wearing the masks.

[Xolodno]

48. Some politicians have pointed out...

...that many show up in unmarked vehicles wearing plain clothes, no bade and masked. It's only a matter of time before a bunch of ICE people get shot because they think they are stopping a crime.

[niyad]

50. KNR

[pandr32]

51. I thought this was already understood.

[MineralMan]

53. I'm sure it is - by some.

However, enough people have DUrec'ed this post that I think it doesn't hurt to restate it. I hope that's OK with you.

[pandr32]

57. I didn't mean to come off as insulting.

Sorry if I did.
I just can't imagine with this thug regime anyone here wouldn't be aware they are as lawless as possible--on purpose.

[Clouds Passing]

52. So they can appear and act as a non-human or humanoid. Detachment.

[dlk]

54. Criminals wear masks...

n/t

[bluestarone]

55. Agree, but i would add just one word in front of criminals. that word is

ONLY.

[JustAnotherGen]

56. When the regime falls

We are going to need stellar forensic accountants to find out who they are.

[pioche4]

60. When Dems in Power, Audit ICE for thr $3,00O bounties

There will be payroll data that can be used

[gfarber]

61. ICE Agents

There were agents who masked every trace,
Keeping hidden each name, badge, and face.
As the critics all say,
Such concealment, each day,
Makes accountability vanish without a place.

In the shadows they move, unassigned,
With identities never aligned.
For the people who fear
What they see disappear,
It's a system opaque by design.

“When rights are abused,” some contend,
“There's no record of who to defend.”
With no tags and no logs,
Just anonymity’s fogs,
Due process meets a troubling end.

"How they're chosen?" the skeptics all sigh—
“There are no clear answers to why.”
Unknown training, unknown pay,
Unknown deeds in the fray,
Leaves a danger too stark to deny.

So the worry grows heavy and stark,
That the practice is more than a quirk.
With no names to be known,
Every harm stands alone,
And the law cannot finish its work.

[randr]

62. The obvious answer is that they are cowards

So much for the home of the brave.

[Callie1979]

63. Any govt agent; city state or fed, should be required to be identifiable. BY LAW

[johnnyfins]

64. How can this admin complain about being called

Nazis when they are fielding an American Gestapo?