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xocetaceans

(4,325 posts)
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 08:57 AM Yesterday

A Canadian Perspective: The Democrats Are Planning To Lose Again in 2028



As it turns out, the Democratic leadership's current, inspirational slogan "Bridge the Floor to Adopt the Ceiling!" (or whatever it actually is . . . ) is transparently horrendously bad, and that fact is easily seen by our 'erstwhile' allies, who perhaps possess keener insight into our chances in the next election cycles given our current leadership than that current leadership seems to possess. Ironically, the slogan is almost as strong as the large zero circling the capital D that is the party symbol. Talk about foreshadowing zero political power. Perhaps, it is lucky that the current slogan was not chosen to be "No floor, hard ceiling!".

One other concern that the video brings up is the detrimental effect of wild gesturing while speaking in public and how that might influence an election (think of the Dean scream as a similar case). The example that the video's author uses is a video of Gavin Newsom speaking and how his wild gesturing could easily be used against him in a campaign. (If that sounds ridiculous, watch him speak with no sound and imagine the possibilities of weaponizing that to sway the independents. Keep in mind how many believed and voted for the "clown" Trump.)

Hopefully, this video's author's prediction will not happen, but actually winning in the next election cycles will require some more reflection at the level of the Democratic leadership and some thoughtful work by them, not merely the maintenance of the status quo.
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A Canadian Perspective: The Democrats Are Planning To Lose Again in 2028 (Original Post) xocetaceans Yesterday OP
We as a society have thrown everything at the existing regime bucolic_frolic Yesterday #1
Elections are a reflection of emotions, policy be damned. cachukis Yesterday #2
+1. Most voters don't vote with their brains dalton99a Yesterday #5
No. Just no. n/t Just_Vote_Dem Yesterday #3
Why not just let Newsom come up with the new slogan, he gets it. Democratic leadership sucks at it. dem4decades Yesterday #4
There is no slogan. It's just someone talking and people looking to get clicks JI7 Yesterday #8
Republicans Control the Voting Machines in 27 States NJCher Yesterday #6
I hear you! n/t Chemical Bill Yesterday #9
Oh goody! Here we go again! Another steaming pile of anti-Democrat BS... QueerDuck Yesterday #7
So, you disagree with the content of the video? It is not clear that you have anything about the video in your reply. xocetaceans Yesterday #11
It's just more of the same old predictable repetitive anti-Dem bullshit. It's in bright shiny new wrapping paper... QueerDuck Yesterday #14
"Wild gesturing"! But ... for the Master of Gesturing you mentioned it's seen as passion, authenticity, fighting betsuni 23 hrs ago #15
Thank you! QueerDuck 23 hrs ago #16
Newsom overdoes an annoying gesture thought crime 21 hrs ago #21
I wonder if there have been any serious polls that ask people whether they would/would-not vote for someone... QueerDuck 20 hrs ago #22
Claus Kellerman -- who gives a f**k what he thinks? onenote Yesterday #10
You don't have a mirror, do you? nt xocetaceans Yesterday #12
That's rather rude, about a DUer of over 20 years' standing muriel_volestrangler 22 hrs ago #20
One thing this guy is right about? peggysue2 Yesterday #13
If we can avoid stupid slogans like "Defund the Police" we'll be miles ahead of the game... QueerDuck 23 hrs ago #17
Hey, I agree with you on 'Defund the Police' peggysue2 19 hrs ago #23
I hope he learned from his mistakes. I was very disappointed when he embraced... QueerDuck 18 hrs ago #24
Why would I watch a video from a Canadian video gamer YT channel? flvegan 23 hrs ago #18
LOL Spazito 22 hrs ago #19
"United We Stand, Divided We Fall" isn't just a snappy slogan. Zelda_Orchid 18 hrs ago #25

bucolic_frolic

(53,593 posts)
1. We as a society have thrown everything at the existing regime
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 09:01 AM
Yesterday

has it failed? It must implode from within, from its inconsistencies, from its consequences on faltering public support.

dem4decades

(13,493 posts)
4. Why not just let Newsom come up with the new slogan, he gets it. Democratic leadership sucks at it.
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 09:07 AM
Yesterday

This floor ceiling thing smacks of Schumer, it is horrible and reminds me of the glass ceiling thing in 2016, and that shit the bed too.

JI7

(93,074 posts)
8. There is no slogan. It's just someone talking and people looking to get clicks
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 09:51 AM
Yesterday

making up some shit about how this is the new party slogan and getting the usual fools to join in the bs.



NJCher

(42,190 posts)
6. Republicans Control the Voting Machines in 27 States
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 09:16 AM
Yesterday

What do you think is going to happen?

https://www.wired.com/story/scott-leiendecker-dominion-liberty-votes/

And you have a few people here who steadfastly look at fraudulent and anomalous voting patterns, election after election, and deny they are manipulating the elections. That's what you have. Here.

QueerDuck

(753 posts)
7. Oh goody! Here we go again! Another steaming pile of anti-Democrat BS...
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 09:34 AM
Yesterday

offering up even more opportunities to disparage Democrats, insult intelligence, make ageist remarks, split hairs, hyper-analyze, second-guess, BMW-ing, and to use all the anti-Dem buzz-words to beckon virtue-signaling Democrat-haters from miles away. Of course, messages like this are designed to create FUD and to suppress the vote by making Democrats believe that "it's all over" and "a lost cause" and "why fucking bother?" The "woe are we" message is a real winner, eh? A vote-getter, eh? Fuck this "Canadian perspective" BS.

Strange thing... Bernie Sanders likes to "gesture" too... funny how we NEVER hear this youtube pundit (or others with similar views) complain about that. Yet... when it's someone like Newsom who "gestures" it's an entirely different story and reaction. "Oh dear God, the world is ending, and it will be used by the right to ridicule him." (Apparently it's not ONLY the right who's trying to kneecap and "ridicule" him.)

xocetaceans

(4,325 posts)
11. So, you disagree with the content of the video? It is not clear that you have anything about the video in your reply.
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 10:19 AM
Yesterday

If you disagree with that content, please feel free to address it specifically on its merits instead of substituting your fantasy image of what the content is.

Or if you prefer, just stay in the fantasy world and enjoy the third term that comes with it.

QueerDuck

(753 posts)
14. It's just more of the same old predictable repetitive anti-Dem bullshit. It's in bright shiny new wrapping paper...
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 11:30 AM
Yesterday

but it still smells like the same old bullshit to me. Go figure.

betsuni

(28,600 posts)
15. "Wild gesturing"! But ... for the Master of Gesturing you mentioned it's seen as passion, authenticity, fighting
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 01:00 PM
23 hrs ago

and standing up to, etc. Democrats are supposedly spineless milquetoasts with only just enough energy to throw in towels before caving -- now they have the energy for wild gesturing?

thought crime

(1,089 posts)
21. Newsom overdoes an annoying gesture
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 03:24 PM
21 hrs ago

Watch him in an interview when he explains something. He does an artificial gesture with wrists together but hands & fingers pointing out. It is very noticeable because he does it so much. It's equivalent to Trump's "accordion" that is much ridiculed, and it will no doubt be used against him. He would be well advised to lose it.

QueerDuck

(753 posts)
22. I wonder if there have been any serious polls that ask people whether they would/would-not vote for someone...
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 04:41 PM
20 hrs ago

because they "talked with their hands". It would be interesting to know. I'll be the number is very low... among reasonable people.

onenote

(45,931 posts)
10. Claus Kellerman -- who gives a f**k what he thinks?
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 10:13 AM
Yesterday

A Canadian You Tuber, social media influencer wannabe with a relatively small following and no expertise in US politics.

Doesn't deserve to be given a platform here on DU, imo.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,385 posts)
20. That's rather rude, about a DUer of over 20 years' standing
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 02:41 PM
22 hrs ago

"Claus Kellerman" does not appear to have been mentioned on DU until yesterday. onenote does indeed seem to have a longer track record of commenting on US politics.

peggysue2

(12,346 posts)
13. One thing this guy is right about?
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 11:17 AM
Yesterday

The slogan/meme/whatever is really clunky, completely uninspiring. Dem leadership might want to tap Mayor-elect Mamdani on messaging.

Just saying.

QueerDuck

(753 posts)
17. If we can avoid stupid slogans like "Defund the Police" we'll be miles ahead of the game...
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 01:37 PM
23 hrs ago

of that I'm positive.

peggysue2

(12,346 posts)
23. Hey, I agree with you on 'Defund the Police'
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 05:52 PM
19 hrs ago

That was a huge mistake and did not reflect what the public actually wanted--reform, improve, toss out those clearly not suited for the job.

But we must do better than what's been suggested. Mamdani grabbed Affordability like a spear after listening to people all over the city. Simple, clear, pointed and something voters desperately wanted and needed in a city like NYC.

Anything clunky that makes voters scratch their heads should be booted.

QueerDuck

(753 posts)
24. I hope he learned from his mistakes. I was very disappointed when he embraced...
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 06:02 PM
18 hrs ago

and amplified the the "defund the police" message. That was something that truly hurt Democrats.

flvegan

(65,597 posts)
18. Why would I watch a video from a Canadian video gamer YT channel?
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 01:37 PM
23 hrs ago

Claus Kellerman, never heard of him before now.

Spazito

(55,233 posts)
19. LOL
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 02:32 PM
22 hrs ago

This certainly is a "perspective" that fits what I would expect from some unknown video gamer YouTuber.



Zelda_Orchid

(14 posts)
25. "United We Stand, Divided We Fall" isn't just a snappy slogan.
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 06:08 PM
18 hrs ago

If too many people refuse to stand with the Democrats against literal fascists who want to kill them - over litmus tests about minor policy disagreements - the of course the fascists will win.

The fascists cultivate such divisions.

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