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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWell, I'm back from my cruise and
have of course made some (very unoriginal) observations about humanity in America.
Please allow me to preface this by saying that I am a veteran cruiser primarily because I thoroughly enjoy the metaphysical experience of leaving land and all the issues which I had to face in my younger years which plague me to this day: family dysfunction, career issues, bad political landscape, and the seemingly endless tragedies unfolding nearly everywhere, reported breathlessly by the media. The nihilistic carefree consumption of alcohol, not to get inebriated because I have a very high tolerance for that, but because it was socially acceptable to begin drinking at 9 A.M. and I could do that with no negative judgements, was my way of flipping the bird at my regimented, very sober daily lifestyle on land.
So Im a pro at this and came to some not-so-new conclusions during this particular trip:
Gluttony combined with a peculiar form of narcissistic denial has created a whole class of morbidly obese individuals who needed to travel around the ship by electric scooter. One very nice lady to whom I spoke was telling me that she thought she could navigate the ship by walking but that the 900+ foot vessel was beyond her capabilities. And she was right about that: I am certain she weighed more than 350 pounds and was on her third large plate of breakfast food from the buffet. The platters each contained huge amounts of carbohydrates with syrup and as a cherry on top many strips of bacon, and not the crispy kind. She admitted she was overeating but thats what this is for!, and I smiled back. She was clearly in Heaven. And she was not alone: there were hundreds of these scooters and similar individuals driving them all over, and as an aside, there were a significant number of vehicular accidents involving pedestrians, some fairly serious.
If youve ever been on a cruise ship of the giant variety you know that the visual field is one of elongation: in many places, the corridor narrows nearly to a vanishing point and if you looked down the line in the buffet or waiting to go to a show in the giant theater, or embarkation, it is emblematic of our era. Look at similar photos from the 1970s: a whole different appearance of individuals. And please, many of these people were lovely: friendly, kind, interesting, appropriately inquisitive. But medically, I feel for them and their families. I myself am somewhat overweight but look positively svelte in this context.
The other thing which has always amazed me about America and Im certain most of the rest of the world is the extreme consumption of alcohol. I previously stated here ton DU that I enjoy social drinking to an extent and in one cruise day I might have a total of 7 or 8 cocktails over an 18 hour day. (If you think thats extreme, I understand and by the way, just so you know, I may have five alcohol-based drinks in a two week period normally, maybe not even that many.). Some people whom I observed had perhaps 25-30 drinks daily and were clearly severely impaired but functional in the sense that they could carry on a conversation and didnt fall off the barstool. These are the folks who consume a fifth a day easily. Frightening. They go on cruises because one can purchase a plan with no limit relatively inexpensively. The list price for 20 drinks on the ship if you didnt have the plan would be $300 assuming ordinary brands, not medium or top shelf daily. The package for 12 days which included five premium dinners at their specialty restaurants was $750. The dinners alone, if you went out to similar restaurants would be $400-500. I would say that I probably got $2000-2500 worth of product because you can ask for very good brands with no additional charge.
I mention these things because you will never ever hear anyone in media remark that the consumption of an addictive, mind-altering substance is measured locally by railroad tanker car volumes, and nationally by volumes which would be retained by the Hoover Dam. It is nearly incomprehensible but the only way you can really process the import of this aspect of our society is to be imprisoned with 4000 people on a ship. It is jaw-dropping. One full trailer of the 53 foot variety delivered with replacement liquor for each cruise when the ship returns to port.
And yes, we had a great time onboard and at the ports in the Eastern Carribbean and NOT ONE PERSON DISCUSSED ANYTHING POLITICAL (even when we saw the aircraft carrier Gerald R Ford anchored in St Thomas). It was great to take a breather from this nightmare in which we are living. Now its back to reality! 😢😢😢😢😢
flying rabbit
(4,919 posts)Intractable
(1,495 posts)I'm fond of saying, the best way to avoid temptation is to stay the f*ck away from it.
bucolic_frolic
(53,675 posts)Baby Boomers have $80 trillion in accumulated assets to spend. Does it do them any good to save it until the end?
"You Can't Take It With You", Frank Kapra's 1938 classic, had it all figured out. Republicans never learn from the left. They just keep the greed going.
Pucks mom
(102 posts)Thank you for the observations. Confirms my decision not to take a cruise on one of the huge vessels.
To each their own, so no judgement for those who do it.
But, no way would I put myself into this position willingly.
tavernier
(14,172 posts)I love cruises as well, but part of the fun is a daily morning walk top deck to check out the ocean and anything on the horizon. I shoot for two miles before breakfast and doing the rounds on the ship throughout the day definitely totals to around seven miles on my phone by the end of the day. I dont feel good if I overeat and dont walk. My body needs to expel gas or Im very cranky. But yup, cruises are for indulging and as long as I can feel good, I load my plate and wine glass to the brim.
PS - You did hear we threw Trump in jail while you were gone? Yup, all is well.
usonian
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Alcatraz renovation is not such a bad idea. The bay is teeming with sharks, and maybe batteries. I don't have numbers on the latter.
Hope22
(4,405 posts)Be easy with yourself upon reentry! 💗😊
GoneOffShore
(17,956 posts)Cruises, like theme parks, hold no charm for me, though I enjoyed taking a merchant ship to England many years ago.
NJCher
(42,250 posts)I had absolutely no idea this is what a cruise was like.
It changes my perspective on them considerably. Now we have enabling industries. As if fast food, sweets, and all you can eat buffets werent enough.
PCIntern
(27,927 posts)But you almost cannot imagine the magnitude of EVERYTHING.
NJCher
(42,250 posts)Because its so shocking to me.
Im baffled as to why anyone would overeat to the point of discomfort.
And the drinking thing is the same with feeling bad as a result.
Thanks for taking the time to inform us, and in such a lively fashion. Im sure Ill be thinking about this for days to come.
NewHendoLib
(61,520 posts)observations. I'm glad you had a nice time - you portrayed your observations very sensitively.
Your experience was horrifying to me - we don't like food, drink or people nearly enough to be around any of it. My big pharma career - long business trips - cured me of airports, hotel - travel in general.
jmbar2
(7,515 posts)Thanks for sharing your experience - sounds horrifying, but then I'm an introvert, nondrinker. Glad that you didn't get Norovirus.
I watched this very funny movie about cruiseships that you may enjoy:
PCIntern
(27,927 posts)That this was ANYTHING but an elite luxury-type group. The ship population reminded me of the Phil Spector comment as he departed from a plane before takeoff: Typical crash victims. It was quite a collection of ordinary mostly elderly Americans . Use your imagination.
jmbar2
(7,515 posts)After looking at some videos taken by passengers, it was exactly as you describe. Except in some, there were drunken brawls. I cannot think of anything more hellish than being cooped up with a bunch of drunk people. Unless you add Noro to the chaos...
This movie had me laughing harder than any other I've watched for awhile... but it's also gross.
PCIntern
(27,927 posts)They are intolerant of that stuff and will confine you to your stateroom and put you off the ship at the next port and no questions asked. You do not fuck with the rules at that level. I have spoken with a number of officers on board over the years about misbehavior and the results.
mountain grammy
(28,575 posts)Hope it's even half as funny as the trailer.. Jeeeeeze could I use a good laugh these days.
Thanks again.. it's from 2022 and I never heard of it.. but if I did I know I wouldn't even consider going to see a film called "Triangle of Sadness" sounds a bit depressing, ya think?
mountain grammy
(28,575 posts)samnsara
(18,706 posts)..and we could carry on our own booze and water
surfered
(10,899 posts)Weve only done one cruise, a river cruise from Budapest to Amsterdam. We thoroughly enjoyed it, unpacking only once. The local guides on shore excursions were the highlight.
mountain grammy
(28,575 posts)I've been looking into it...
Aristus
(71,488 posts)I always cruised Holland-America. I didnt see a lot of the people you described on any of the cruises I went on. I havent been on a cruise since 2019. If the Wal-Mart and Golden Corral types have taken over, then Im out.
Either that, or Ill choose a cruise line they cant afford. Silver Seas, possibly.
We use that line due to familiarity-we know EXACTLY what to expect or not expect. And yeah Im dull that way.
Aristus
(71,488 posts)A cruise line to avoid, then.
Nittersing
(8,044 posts)I've only been on one cruise... one of those small ships (60 something passengers) they use to cruise around SE Alaska. Definity a bucket trip for me!!
CommonHumanity
(338 posts)Hi PC Intern
I'm replying to comment not on the content of your article, which was amusing and informative, but instead on your writing. I like and admire it! Great imagery and home-grown descriptors. A bit snarky, while still being compassionate. Funny and engaging. You've got talent. Hope you know that. Keep it up!
PCIntern
(27,927 posts)I try to engage the reader Im not profound in terms of my subject material or knowledge base so I try to make up for it. Much appreciated.
CommonHumanity
(338 posts)You sell your self short. You are profound in terms of subject matter, that being your own personal observations and life. BTW, I'm replying again because I admire and respect good writing and like to give a compliment where it is due!
harumph
(3,069 posts)Ever read any John Hodgman?
My vacation mode is more like cabin in a southwest desert with a view to some distant mountains. Chilled sotol and leftover ribs in the fridge. The mountains always seem closer than they are. If you took off walking in that direction, you'd surely die before you reach them, having come no closer. Likely from thirst. Possibly snake bite. Occasionally you see rain clouds stalled over the peaks.
NNadir
(37,124 posts)...aware of the orgy of consumption that is killing our planet.
I'm not entirely sure that Americans are alone in this approach to killing the planet.
I work with a lot of Indian Americans, Hindus, who love to refer, with distain, to "Maya," but are nonetheless into big time material consumption. Most of their lives strike me as efforts to get into a BMW or Mercedes.
I will plainly confess that I am not immune myself. I'm an atheist, not a Hindu, but I'm not above sinking into Maya of my own. I cannot avoid my hypocrisy.
I suspect - I know - I have problems in my genome that lead to addictive behaviors, and I monitor them. I can and do drink alcohol on occasion, but I have to carefully watch myself, despite having a high tolerance to ethanol.
In any case, history will not forgive us, nor should it.
lonely bird
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The ocean ones hold no interest. Plus I dont drink at all. I have no alcohol issues and I dont mind if people want to drink. That is up to them. I should clarify that my not drinking is related to all alcohol tastes bad to me. I never acquired a taste for any alcohol. Which is not to say I havent had alcohol because I have.
On a related note, I visited some customers in Western NY and stayed at the Seneca Casino overnight because I couldnt find a hotel I wanted. I went to dinner and the dinner was nice. I had to walk through the games to get to the restaurant. I have never seen so many walkers, scooters, canes and people carrying oxygen in one place in my life. I was stunned.
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Auggie
(32,795 posts)Ocelot II
(128,730 posts)I don't like people enough to spend time trapped on a floating hotel with thousands of them. If I were ever to take a cruise I'd probably opt for one of the Viking river cruises on a smaller ship that stops at interesting places (though you don't escape to the high seas), or the Hurtegruten cruise that takes you along the Norwegian fjords all the way up to Kirkenes, where you really can see Russia from your house. I've heard it's spectacular.
llmart
(17,240 posts)I know myself well enough to know that I would be trying to avoid most people on the ship since I tend towards being an introvert. As I got older I got less tolerant of the type of behavior the op describes. I don't drink and have never been overweight in my life. I despise the gluttony Americans accept as normal. I don't give a rat's ass about how they look, but we should all realize that these behaviors mean our health insurance premiums are outrageous because of the epidemic of diabetes and other obesity related issues.
I have always known that I would never like a big ship cruise or going to Vegas for all the same reasons. My idea of vacation is visiting the National Parks and being outdoors. The people I know who like cruises like this - all they ever talk about is the food and drinks!
mountain grammy
(28,575 posts)I have also heard the Alaska cruises are spectacular.
Liberal In Texas
(15,906 posts)The last cruise I was on was in the 80s on the SS Norway the former SS France. Quite a large ship in its time but nothing like now with these behemoth Vegas Hotels on a hull. Then there was nobody using those scooters. There was, of course, lots of drinking and the worst alcohol incident was the onboard entertainer Freddy Fender getting kicked off the ship by the captain for getting drunk and harassing at least one woman passenger.
Even though it was refitted for cruising, it still had the elegance of the old ocean liners. Now I wouldn't think of sailing on one of these tacky glitzy floating circuses. Your OP has reinforced feeling I wouldn't enjoy it these days.

PCIntern
(27,927 posts)Remarkable ship in so many respects. The last of its kind, really.
Our entertainer was Al Martino. People bought the Godfather LPs for him to sign. I shot dice at the craps table right next to him and we talked since we were both from Philly.
MIButterfly
(1,812 posts)I've only seen maybe one or two per ship but everyone's experiences are different.
As for the buffets, I gave up on them on my next to last cruise. Everything looks so good and I would fill my plate so high I would feel stuffed and uncomfortable for hours afterward. I still eat breakfast at the buffet because I don't tend to overeat breakfast food but I now eat dinner in the dining room every night. The portions are a normal size and the food is good and filling. And I feel a lot better when I leave.
I love cruising but can't afford to go as much as I'd like. My last cruise took me 15 months to pay off! I love the Caribbean but it's getting too hot for me. I think the next one will be New England and Canada in the fall.
Thank you for sharing your experience and observations, PCIntern.
FarPoint
(14,450 posts)I never have gone on a cruise per choice....all family member have...Just realize the gluttony was happening way before the cruise...The cruise just is the buffet style to accommodate the dysfunctional lifestyle...
I understand the gambling opportunity is strong as well...another addiction buffet...
Thank you for sharing your observations and assessment.....keen insight.
Vinca
(53,163 posts)I prefer solitude. Plus, even though I love the ocean, I'd just as soon not be in the middle of it. The closest I've gotten is being on a ferry between Maine and Nova Scotia and I spent much of that in the ladies' room puking. Glad you had a good time, though.
karin_sj
(1,300 posts)We went on a Mediterranean cruise this summer on a smaller ship and it was wonderful. Didn't see too many scooters, but many very obese people. I didn't look at the news once while we were on the cruise and it's amazing how much better I felt and how much more I enjoyed the cruise as a result. It was fantastic to get away from the daily barrage of crap that we are being exposed to by this regime.
We didn't hear any talk of politics, but one time when seated by another couple, they asked where we were from, and when I said, "California," the man looked concerned and said, "Oh, I've heard a lot of bad things about California." I replied, "That's really surprising. It's a wonderful place to live. The people are great, there are so many things to do, we have beautiful places to hike. I love living there." He looked surprised, and said, "Well, maybe I shouldn't believe everything I hear." They were from Florida
Another time, we were in the back of the bus and the tour guide said, "Where is everyone from?" and someone shouted out, "California!" and the guy in front of us muttered to his wife, "Good luck with that."
After the cruise, we stayed a week in Denmark with my relatives, where there was LOTS of political discussions, like: "What the hell is going on in the U.S.?" and "We're not coming to visit until he is gone. It's not safe." We met someone at the grocery store who asked where we were from and we told him and he replied, "Oh, the sane state." I didn't have the heart to tell him that we have our fair share of MAGAs, even in my liberal, very blue city.
Mz Pip
(28,331 posts)Barcelona to Bergen. I witnessed a couple of Americans apologizing to Canadians for Trump. Had a few WTF is going on in the US to which we responded with equal bewilderment.
One obvious Trumper, upon hearing we were from California, told us we should move to Texas. We politely declined.
llmart
(17,240 posts)Your observations are what I always suspected about cruises which is why I was never interested in one. I've been on smaller ones like the ones in Hawaii where you go from island to island or Alaska, but I'm not a fan of crowds, especially these days.
ProudMNDemocrat
(20,511 posts)When my late husband and I cruised to Sydney, Australia from Seattle, WA in 2018, I saw much of the same thing from Americans, not those from Australia or elsewhere. Scooters and walkers about, hoarding food like there was no tomorrow.
Me? I stuck to my WW plan each day, exercised in the Fitness room on the 11th deck, and lost weight on the 21 day voyage with stops in between. The food was amazing and I chose wisely. Splurging on food is way too easy.
As for the politics, there was a couple we got to know who lived but a mile from M-a-L. The stories they told were shocking. They felt like prisoners in their own home. I wonder how they feel now if they still reside in West Palm Beach area.
usedtobedemgurl
(1,916 posts)You will not find the vehicles, and I found the majority of folks were hwp. But as far as booze goes, I have been on many regular cruises and I never saw a tenth of liquor consumption I did on the swingers cruises. There is no way for drunk people to consent! It was crazy.
PCIntern
(27,927 posts)There were so many upside down pineapples you would think it was a swinger cruise.
The thing is, the vast number of people are still going in and out of those state rooms I wouldnt get within a football field distance of much less in bed with.
CTyankee
(67,693 posts)but not gluttonous, We had art lectures daily and conversations with other passengers were interesting and informative. We definitely found a niche. We did drink wine but not to excess. So I felt pretty smug about our choice of vessel and company.
mainer
(12,482 posts)What you describe is along the lines of Carnival. Ive also been on Cunard, Disney, MSC and Viking River lines. Viking river cruises were the most sedate, with a rather culturally curious clientele and probably the least likely to have MAGA aboard.
mountain grammy
(28,575 posts)but I really enjoyed your story.,.interesting and observant..
Just because cruises aren't for me doesn't mean I can't enjoy a good story about one.. Thanks!
snowybirdie
(6,519 posts)Went on 20 or so. But the bigger and bigger ships are way too crowded and large for comfortable cruising. Glad you had fun. But for us, never again!
Avalon Sparks
(2,742 posts)have some fun on your vacation, in between the monitoring of other vacationers food and beverage intake of course.
PCIntern
(27,927 posts)But thats like saying: dont pay attention to that train derailing!!😂
Sogo
(6,921 posts)Especially since COVID, I consider them to be floating petri dishes.
And I don't drink alcohol.
When I read your descriptions, I don't feel like I've missed out on anything at all!
PCIntern
(27,927 posts)Opinions vary in this regard.