I don't get it. We say we want repubs to stand up to Trump, but when they do...

[onenote]

many posters just go "meh."

The rejection of Trump by repub politicians, if and when it occurs, isn't going to happen overnight. It is going to happen over time, and will grow only to the extent repubs are encouraged to speak out.

Will the tipping point ever be reached? I don't know. But I know that if we actually mean it when we complain that repubs let him get away with everything, we shouldn't just shrug when even some small cracks in their defense of the maniac occur.

[Skittles]

1. at this point, considering how long they have enabled the destruction of America

they can ALL go fuck themselves

[FHRRK]

13. See Skittles, you partially made the OPs point

“ they can ALL go fuck themselves”

Could easily be replaced with,….” they can ALL go fuck themselves with a red hot poker stick until the cauterize their asshole.”

[BOSSHOG]

23. Or, if I may suggest

They can fuck themselves with a pitchfork, heating is optional. And a rusty pitchfork smeared with farm animal feces lends a nice bouquet to the Americana Motif. But that’s just me.

[Skittles]

31. you get it too, BOSSHOG

yes INDEED

[Skittles]

26. THANK YOU

you get it

[Jack Valentino]

51. Yeah, they can still do that, but we should not totally ignore the fact that some FINALLY

show half an ounce of political courage, decency or morals
when and if they finally do
(especially since it is so rare in these times!)

[Skittles]

56. oh yeah well good for them

BUT FUCK ANY KUDOS FOR THEM FINALLY WAKING UP TO WHAT HAS BEEN OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WITH CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS FOR OVER A FUCKING DECADE

[PatSeg]

24. It is hard to be understanding

and forgiving after all the times they rubber-stamped this man's lunacy, especially knowing that they are aware of what a monster he is. They could see him destroying everything we are supposed to stand for over and over again, yet they still bowed down to him.

Oh, I knew eventually they'd have to start to push back, but unfortunately in my eyes it is far too little too late. They could do us all a favor and retire and go home hanging their pathetic heads in shame. They'll get no sympathy from me.

[Skittles]

28. they make me sick

time and time again they have put the interests of Donald Fucking Trump or themselves above the interests of America......DISGUSTING

[PatSeg]

34. And when I think of all the years

that they behaved holier than thou as they waved their pocket constitutions and acted like THEY were the true patriotic party. They sure paid a lot of lip service to our vets, but now they don't even do that anymore.

Remember when they raised hell because Obama wasn't wearing a flag pin? They certainly were deferential to all the symbols of democracy, but now it is clear, it was always a sham. They are just shallow, empty vessels, absolutely worthless.

[Skittles]

36. yes......and they call themselves "pro-life Christians", too

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while proving themselves to be anything but

they routinely judge the morals of others while regularly behaving like truly vile, despicable people

I will never cave one inch in caring about these assholes and the stupid fucking idiots who voted for them

[PatSeg]

41. It is best to assume that whatever they say,

know reality will be the opposite. Bottom line - they are opportunists first and foremost. They are the reason people hate politicians.

At least old school republicans would draw the line as to what they wouldn't do. With this batch, anything goes. I can't imagine a single one of them going to the White House and telling Trump he has to resign because he will be impeached if he doesn't.

[spooky3]

2. I'm happy when I see defections. However, I suspect Repubs couldn't care less

About what we DUers think, unfortunately.

[Skittles]

10. they don't care what ANYONE thinks

they are ASSHOLES

[Cha]

3. Good point... I welcome their Anti Traitor

statements on the Evil Derangement Spewings regarding Rob and Michelle Reiner.

Bring them on.

[Permanut]

4. Depends on what is meant by rejection..

Doesn't count if you just finger wag or send a strongly worded letter, then vote for him again.

[Irish_Dem]

5. I'm happy to see the evil ones devour themselves.

But please don't ask me to like, love, trust, approve of any of these wretched souls.

[appmanga]

6. Your post reminds me...

...of the Chris Rock bit where he talked about guys who don't have the kids in their household bragging how they take care of their kids. His response: "So you want a cookie? You're supposed to take care of your kids". Do we need to throw a parade, or even dish out a bunch of praise for simply having decency?

[Wifes husband]

9. My thought exactly.

They have had plenty of chances to do better. Screw them.

[onenote]

11. So you prefer saying screw them to having them reject Trump

I prefer having them turn on him.

To each his or her own I guess

[Skittles]

30. they can turn on him

but they can still all go fuck themselves

[Wifes husband]

43. My thought exactly

Trump is just a reflection of his supporters thinking.

[OC375]

7. Tough To Do

But if you don't give the enemy a chance to change course, you end up with a cornered foe who doesn't care if the world ends - they know you have no place for them in it. You gotta make it easy for them.

One option is to give them a chance to change leadership, if their leadership is dead set on burning the ships. Many of the enemy may not like their leadership's approach. Let them express it. If rank and file see rocks coming, and you don't allow opportunities for betrayal, mutiny or sedition against their leadership, they have no opportunity to adopt a new position.

[ColoringFool]

21. No. Nope. Nyet. We didn't "make it easy" at Nuremberg. And when we DID,...

By NOT hanging the ultimate traitor Jefferson Davis, we have suffered under the remnants and descendents ever since.

[yardwork]

8. If you're talking about MTG, she's running for higher office.

Focus groups told her to dial back the MAGA. This is a person who made her political career filming herself harassing young people who survived the Parkland school shooting.

She's lucky to get a meh.

[onenote]

12. Don't care. If she undercuts Trump it's a good thing.

Will worry about her after Trump’s support starts fracturing.

[Skittles]

37. you are confusing doing a good thing with being a decent person

these disgusting fucking conservatives only "care" when it somehow affects THEM - they can NEVER, EVER be trusted

FUCK THEM ALL

[onenote]

44. I think its a good thing when Repubs attack each other.

We can disagree about that.

[Skittles]

53. NO ONE IS SAYING IT'S NOT A GOOD THING

but they deserve no fucking KUDOS for it, FUCK THEM

[sakabatou]

14. What I see is that when Repubs stand against Trump

it's usually due to getting hurt by Trump either directly or indirectly, and then bitching about it. They only complain when the leopard eats their face.

[Skittles]

38. CORRECT

they are self-serving assholes who never care if it affects others, just THEM

[Escape]

15. If a man beats his wife for years and years and then finally stops...

he doesn't get a prize.

[onenote]

46. Who is saying they should get a prize.

I'm just suggesting we should be happy when republicans fight with each other.
Apparently a lot of people here would have preferred Liz Cheney to be quiet rather than go up against Trump.

So be it.

[Cirsium]

16. Seriously?

Are you saying that Republicans should be given yet more slack than they have already been given?

[LisaM]

17. I'd like to believe they mean it, but...

I think it's more in the nature of rats jumping off a burning ship. They probably know some things we don't.

MTG might sound like a reasonably normal and even empathetic person in the moment, but that means she was either lying before about who she was, is she is lying now.

[ColoringFool]

18. A Deranged "Condolence" Isn't A Statement Of Policy.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

19. Why is that our responsibility?

Why must we encourage repubs to speak out?

They can't see what's been happening for years, or recognize the blatant corruption and endless cruelty and endless grift?

They need their hands held to do the right thing?

After everything every MAGAt republican has enabled and encouraged, I'm not feeling too charitable.

IMO, they need to prove themselves to us!!

[onenote]

45. Why do we complain when they don't?

And why do we dream of the day when the repubs will block Trump from doing something if we don't care whether they do?

[MorbidButterflyTat]

60. MAGAts don't complain??? 🙄

I don't dream of the day repubs block Piggy. They won't.

Extend your olive branch if you want but don't be surprised if they yank it out of your hand and beat you with it.

[orangecrush]

50. If you are getting your ass kicked

By 3 assailants, and someone you don't like jumps in and helps you, they've already proven all they need to.

It's ok if they still don't like you after it's over.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

61. Who has done that?

Anyway I guess it would be okay if I still don't like them or welcome them with open arms while they stab me in the back.

Let me know when a MAGAt actually fights for us, and not with a self serving, useless social media post.

[orangecrush]

65. I've had it happen

In real life, not politics.

Afterwards the person told me "this doesn't change anything, but I wasn't going to stand there and watch that "

Saved me from a trip to the ER.

Believe it or not.

[JI7]

20. Not sure what you are talking about

but it depends. There are opportunities.

My position is if someone is going against Trump and supports us on some things then take that support to get what we want.

But don't expect that to mean they are on our side politically .

[BidenRocks]

22. How many NAZIs repented

at Nuremberg.
Life was good until it wasn't?
Resign en masse and disappear!

[BaronChocula]

25. Everybody is different

What one group within a fold may want may be different from what another group may want. Some may want the white nationalists to stand up to trump while others think they should all fuck off regardless. I have never personally had expectations of courage among republicans. So when one stands up to him on one issue while going along with all the rest and I still consider them trash, it doesn't make me a hypocrite.

In the long run, all of us here are on the same side, but we aren't a monolith.

[Maru Kitteh]

33. Just had to stop by and say I heart your username. He DOES look like Chocula.

[BaronChocula]

54. OMG

I chose that name back in 2006 when I stopped lurking and joined up. I guess I just thought of the silliest thing I could at the moment. "Any similarity to actual persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental."

[Maru Kitteh]

62. Okay but, if you pick a new handle and you're feeling stock-marketey?

Do us a solid and let us in on it next time, okay? I’m not superstitious, but at this point I’ll take whatever I can get, and the universe handed you a random gift all those years ago, and now when you see that kid, DU will come to mind.

[BaronChocula]

64. DU will come to mind

and lunch will come back up to my mouth. The gross gene is dominant in that clan.

[artemisia1]

27. Love when they do so, but question -- sometimes -- their motives. Nevertheless, you do have a point. Let's

help make it safe for them to jump ship and criticize the "great leader".

[niyad]

29. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. Does not mean I buy it.

Quite frankly, this complicit group of sycophants, enablers, traitors and liars needs to show me more than one performatively outraged comment before I take them at all seriously. My response would be, "FINALLY!!! Now what, exactly, are you going to do about him to begin to clean up the mess YOU helped to create?"

[Deuxcents]

55. I agree. From what I was able to read, the condemnations were light on the outrage scale..

I love you, but..Sir, I support you but..Please blah, blah. Seems so insincere and timid coming from some of the most rapid Trumpers.

[kwolf68]

66. This is exactly how

Dumps supporters responded to his comments about Reiner. JUST LIKE THAT.

*I love you Mr. President, but you are better than this

*Please leave Reiner out President Trump, my favorite human ever


Until he is directly and forcefully called out, I don't trust any of them. YES, I believe one can change. YES, I believe if someone truly sees the light of the hell they brought onto this planet by supporting that guy and they apologize and reconcile I'll give them a shot.

But these people are barely showing outrage at all. Ok so they "take offense" while kissing his ass. It's a pathetic display. As far as MTG, I am quite sure she is hoping to pick up the pieces of MaggotLand when Trump and his loyalists burn it to the ground. I think at that point the mask will come off again. Maybe I am wrong, maybe she morphs into Dwight Eisenhower, but until then I'll believe she is who she has always been.

[Maru Kitteh]

32. Some posters will tell you to shun your own children and your mother

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along with all your coworkers if they ever voted for Trump. No matter what.

I mean, it would be great to live in a universe like that, where your entire family and everyone you work with is either an informed liberal or 100% apolitical but that’s not real life for a very large number of us. Don’t let the peanut gallery squish your vibe.

[markodochartaigh]

40. And even for those of us lucky enough not to have any Republicans in our sphere

it may not be an ideal situation for everyone. I have no Republican, let alone maga, relatives or friends. But our family is dying out, less than a dozen people and our youngest generation will not be having children. And I have Asperger's and I'm retired so it bothers me not at all to only have three friends.

[summer_in_TX]

35. Yes, one note.

These kinds of attitudes and statements leak over to others who are not the target, and they form opinions based on who the messenger is and how it was delivered.

The family, friends, community members see that condemnation and they take it to heart as an attack on them and theirs. They know their friend and neighbor as a decent person who helps when they need help, most likely. So they resent the attack and the person who did the attacking and reject the message. As we would in a reverse situation. That’s human.

Plus, they broaden their view of who was doing the attacking to all of us. That’s why I believe it’s divisive and harmful. It hardens enmity, often creating it where none existed before. It deepen our divisions and it feeds stereotypes each side has about blue state liberals as well as conservatives. Exactly as Russia wants.

[orangecrush]

48. Nailed it

[markodochartaigh]

39. In my opinion, because of the ignorance and apathy

of the electorate we have reached a place where the only real issue is whether or not we keep the, very flawed, democracy that we have.

Because about one third of the electorate is so ignorant and apathetic that they couldn't even be bothered to vote, and the other two thirds are almost divided equally, we might be able to fight off the authoritarian takeover with just the voters in the "middle".

But we might not. Those people who are apathetic or ignorant enough to not have voted against Trump last fall may not wake up quickly enough in the numbers that we need. Indeed, because many have absolutely no idea what is going on, many of them may vote for authoritarianism.

I think that if there is a sliver of the Republican party who value keeping democracy we need to ally with them for that. It isn't as if Democratic politicians haven't allied with Republicans on other issues for decades. In Europe many times parties to the left of our Democratic party ally with right wingers strategically.

[agingdem]

42. They are defying Trump only because

they are more terrified of their very unhappy constituents voting them out of their cushy jobs than they are of Trump’s threats to primary them … but their defiance will be short lived once Trump references them by name in one of his lunatic posts..

[orangecrush]

47. We don't need purity tests

In the present situation you take anything you can get.

[Blues Heron]

49. What is this kiss a puke day?

[flashman13]

52. Every Repub that turn against Trump is a small victory. IMHO the defections are accerating.

[BlueKota]

57. While acknowledging it's gratifying to see some elected

Republicans turning against Trump, it's also only logical to take into consideration why they didn't stand up to him earlier, and their motivation behind doing so now.

I am skeptical that the majority of them are doing it because they suddenly realized he is the epitome of evil, they had to know that before. As a pundit pointed out they see his poll numbers slipping astronomically, and see Democrats winning in places Democrats have rarely if ever won. They only have the "courage," to stand up to him now because he is weaker, and they think it will save themselves politically if they appear to oppose tsf.

I was also always taught that you do the right thing to do because it's the right thing to do not because you want credit for it. I will give Massie credit because his opposition to tsf seems to have been consistently and genuinely anti DT. The rest are just like rats trying to scurry of a sinking ship at the last minute so they don't go down with it.

[H2O Man]

58. Recommended.

"I know! I know!" says the most obnoxious forum member in response. And as tedious as I usually am, I will make this brief.

It's a good thing when republicans in DC publicly disagree with the felon. That does not mean we want to exchange body fluids/DNA with them. Or stand on the same side of the street as them at a rally, in the context of a Marginally Taylor Greene. It does not mean we should be expected to break bread with them -- unless we are an elected Democrat who gets paid for communicating with them.

These cracks might seem small, unless one looks at recent polling or talks with others while grocery shopping. First of all, they don't have to be big to make a huge difference. This isn't to pretend that somkething as small as the president's penis is sure to make a difference, but I for one loved South Park's eforts,

Republicans cannot afford to lose many voters. Will they try to pretend to almost stand up to te felon before the mid-terms? The answer is simple: NO. In boxing we say someone born square doesn't end up round. They will pretend to the exact amount of nothing significant. They are aware of the influence of independents, the majority "party," is a ball & chain on their chances for re-election. Thus, more will decide to spend more time with their families.

[betsuni]

59. Like they've forgotten how to use people.

Kamala Harris used Liz Cheney, who endorsed her for president, for a day and a half of events together to get Never Trumpers support. OH NO! Democrats are handing over the keys to Republicans!

With MTG, OH NO! don't trust her!

Democrats do what people say they want them to and then it's always "meh" and well, why didn't they do it before (not having votes or power and facts are automatically rejected as reasons).

Newsom did what people said they wanted, fighting back dirty against Trump, and now it "meh." Pelosi was bashed endlessly about having some sort of plot not to impeach Trump. Then he was, twice. She was accused of clinging to power and not providing a "pathway" for her replacement, but now Jeffries is constantly bashed too. It doesn't even matter who the person is or what they do, the negative caricature created to punch down at and blame is there.

So condescending. Like the broken record I am, I will say again that Democrats never get the benefit of the doubt and motivation is assumed to be stupidity or corruption.

[Kaleva]

63. I find it odd to see people join Trump in attacking his critics

Comments about MTG, Massie, Liz Cheney, Romney made here when they have been critical of Trump.