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babylonsister

(172,710 posts)
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 09:30 AM Dec 16

"...What is happening now is not normal politics...."

Like him or not, I think Brooks is right.

Found on FB~
Yesterday, the neoconservative David Brooks wrote this in an OpEd in the NY Times,


"Trumpism… is primarily about the acquisition of power — power for its own sake. It is a multifront assault to make the earth a playground for ruthless men, so of course any institutions that might restrain power must be weakened or destroyed. Trumpism is about ego, appetite and acquisitiveness and is driven by a primal aversion to the higher elements of the human spirit — learning, compassion, scientific wonder, the pursuit of justice. …

What is happening now is not normal politics. We’re seeing an assault on the fundamental institutions of our civic life, things we should all swear loyalty to — Democrat, independent or Republican.

It’s time for a comprehensive national civic uprising. It’s time for Americans in universities, law, business, nonprofits and the scientific community, and civil servants and beyond to form one coordinated mass movement. Trump is about power. The only way he’s going to be stopped is if he’s confronted by some movement that possesses rival power. …

I’m really not a movement guy. I don’t naturally march in demonstrations or attend rallies that I’m not covering as a journalist. But this is what America needs right now."
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"...What is happening now is not normal politics...." (Original Post) babylonsister Dec 16 OP
expert on intl relations said that its difficult to know if trumps policies are for USA or his wealth acquisitions BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 16 #1
not difficult at all. It's about Trump and acquisitions for Trump. RockCreek Dec 16 #3
Absolutely... GiqueCee Dec 16 #11
trump takes hitler's ideas, and jacks them with steroids. slightlv Dec 16 #16
That tracks. (nt) GiqueCee Dec 16 #17
I phrased it wrong. Intl expert knows trump is a mixing USA policies with desire his family to personally benefit. BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 16 #19
Hint... FalloutShelter Dec 16 #5
This is why we are where we are. Bluetus Dec 16 #14
I phrased it wrong. Intl expert knows trump is a mixing USA policies with personally benefiting BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 16 #18
You are giving Trump way too much credit. Bluetus Dec 16 #23
Understatement of the year. marble falls Dec 16 #2
Understatement by the media is how we got here. Bluetus Dec 16 #15
No shit! 45 years of republican media ownership has done this. BComplex Dec 16 #21
We have to be vigilant about the accuracy of "news" from new media Bluetus Dec 16 #22
F'kin "water is wet" Brooks. harumph Dec 16 #4
Salt of the earth... 3825-87867 Dec 16 #7
He is only screaming because he must have lost power and money now. Irish_Dem Dec 16 #8
Thank you!!! displacedvermoter Dec 16 #12
He covered for Republicans going back 45 years Grins Dec 16 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Dec 17 #34
Once we remove the misdirective gee-gaws and rhetorical bullshit from whatever Brooks says, harumph Dec 17 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Dec 17 #41
Should have been a court jester. Scruffy1 Dec 16 #6
When Trump is gone they will all be doing this - TBF Dec 16 #9
Brooks is a fake intellectual who has always defended the Republican Party no matter how bad their policies for the Martin68 Dec 16 #10
Very late. Does he not understand what we've been trying to do? MadameButterfly Dec 16 #25
The reason that Trump is popular among you Republicans Mblaze Dec 16 #13
A house divided against itself cannot stand. patphil Dec 16 #20
Coming from Brooks, I'd say, yup, we're in deep shit, people. Joinfortmill Dec 16 #24
Took you long enough to notice, Davy... regnaD kciN Dec 16 #26
I agree with the aquisition of power statement canetoad Dec 16 #27
David Brooks facilitated MAGAts... maspaha Dec 16 #28
So did the majority of Republicans and Conservatives. rickford66 Dec 16 #32
This really nails it... SleeplessinSoCal Dec 16 #29
Until we address the capitalism problem, none of this goes away. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 16 #30
Unregulated capitalism is like starting a campfire - throwing gasoline on it and walking away. harumph Dec 17 #43
Doesn't it just drive your f*cking CRAZY... Trueblue Texan Dec 16 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Dec 17 #35
It IS normal politics... lonely bird Dec 17 #36
Seems they're imploding. babylonsister Dec 17 #44
Party over country has been the Republican way since America first Nazi collaborators JT45242 Dec 17 #37
"I'm really not a movement guy." OldBaldy1701E Dec 17 #38
David Brooks, late as usual. Paladin Dec 17 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Dec 17 #42

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(13,832 posts)
1. expert on intl relations said that its difficult to know if trumps policies are for USA or his wealth acquisitions
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 09:40 AM
Dec 16

RockCreek

(1,454 posts)
3. not difficult at all. It's about Trump and acquisitions for Trump.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 09:49 AM
Dec 16

Some of these are for his ego, etc.
This isn't new.

GiqueCee

(3,873 posts)
11. Absolutely...
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 11:18 AM
Dec 16

... and anyone who's "not sure" just isn't paying attention.

"POWER" is just shorthand for TOTAL DOMINION OVER THE LIVES OF OTHERS. Trump has demonstrated that a thousand times, the most glaring examples being the periodic assembly of cabinet members and/or broligarchs lavishing saccharine praise on the South End of a Northbound Yak on camera so the world can see, not that they really admire him, but that he can make them vomit up their self-respect whenever he feels like it.

slightlv

(7,706 posts)
16. trump takes hitler's ideas, and jacks them with steroids.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:14 PM
Dec 16

Hitler wanted world domination; trump is emphatic he already has it, and daily abuses his power to tell other sovereign nations how to run their countries... or else. Exactly what hitler would have wanted, had he succeeded in his quest.

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(13,832 posts)
19. I phrased it wrong. Intl expert knows trump is a mixing USA policies with desire his family to personally benefit.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:26 PM
Dec 16

I phrased it wrong. Intl expert knows trump is a mixing USA policies with desire his family to personally benefit. The expert had written articles trying to sound the alarm on Trump.

He said something more like "it's difficult to examine Anerica's current foreign policies because he can no longer tell which policies are driven by actual consideration of America versus Trump's desire for his family to benefit"

Yes, he was assuming that there were a few policy wonks in the white house developing policies with the goal of strengthening the USA and its relationships with other counties

Bluetus

(2,634 posts)
14. This is why we are where we are.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:00 PM
Dec 16

It is NOT difficult to see the difference, and this guy knows that. Enough of this bith-siderism. There are not two sides to Trump.

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(13,832 posts)
18. I phrased it wrong. Intl expert knows trump is a mixing USA policies with personally benefiting
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:26 PM
Dec 16

I phrased it wrong. Intl expert knows trump is a mixing USA policies with desire his family to personally benefit. The expert had written articles trying to sound the alarm on Trump.

He said something more like "it's difficult to examine Anerica's current foreign policies because he can no longer tell which policies are driven by actual consideration of America versus Trump's desire for his family to benefit"

Yes, he was assuming that there were a few policy wonks in the white house developing policies with the goal of strengthening the USA and its relationships with other counties

Bluetus

(2,634 posts)
23. You are giving Trump way too much credit.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:49 PM
Dec 16

EVERYTHING he does is a transaction for his own personal (financial or political) benefit.

It doesn't take any special expertise to see this. Trump isn't trying to hide any of his schemes.

I challenge anybody to identify a single significant policy move Trump has made in the past 11 months that was NOT highly motivated by Trump's PERSONAL gain, financial or political.

In other words, please name one significant action that clearly benefits average working Americans more than it benefits Trump or his inside gang. Anybody? I don't think there is one.

We must stop giving Trump the benefit of any doubt. The starting point for any analysis should be, "Why is Trump doing this? How is he hoping to benefit personally?"

BComplex

(9,854 posts)
21. No shit! 45 years of republican media ownership has done this.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:33 PM
Dec 16

I get my news from YouTube these days. No more republican media.

Bluetus

(2,634 posts)
22. We have to be vigilant about the accuracy of "news" from new media
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:42 PM
Dec 16

But frankly, the legacy media is just as bad in its own way. The corporate media may be more factual, on average, but they will always present the corporate story line most prominently.

harumph

(3,198 posts)
4. F'kin "water is wet" Brooks.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 09:52 AM
Dec 16

As a columnist he carried water for years for the Republican party which was the nascent Trump party. We could all see something like this
emerging. We pointed out their talk was just empty rhetoric meant to pull in the rubes. Brooks would opine on the 'salt of the earth' Americans
who were disdained by NE elites. They were the heart of America - don't ya see? Brooks talks out of his ass. He, like his cocktail party colleagues, will have a soft landing regardless of what happens to our country.

Irish_Dem

(80,775 posts)
8. He is only screaming because he must have lost power and money now.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:55 AM
Dec 16

Before he didn’t care if everyone else got screwed.

displacedvermoter

(4,202 posts)
12. Thank you!!!
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 11:37 AM
Dec 16

Brooks is a weasel of David Broder and Tim Russert proportions. Weak beer each week on PBS and in the Times telling us what was important to the folks he met at an airport VIP lounge while travelling to some speaking engagement.

Grins

(9,393 posts)
33. He covered for Republicans going back 45 years
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 11:33 PM
Dec 16

He looked the other way with Harry Dent, Lee Atwater, Roger Stone. Covered for and never criticized Reagan. Same with Bush II and Karl Rove. He couldn’t wait for Bush’s grand war against people who never did anything to us, called those of us against that war liberal appeasers, or worse - traitors - just like the rest of the Reich-wing media. He, like Krauthammer, believed all the lies and propaganda coming out of the WH pushing for a war against Iraq, and gave it cover until even - William Freaking Buckley - said, “We fucked up. We lost.” And then it was “How did America fail…?”

Driftglass calls him the Pope of the High and Holy Church of “Both Sides Do It!!” And for that, too - fuck him.

Response to harumph (Reply #4)

harumph

(3,198 posts)
40. Once we remove the misdirective gee-gaws and rhetorical bullshit from whatever Brooks says,
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 10:02 AM
Dec 17

his obvious gripe is that Trump is showing his autocratic tendencies for all to see, and that's bad form. Because you know, a decent republican plan to relegate a majority of the population to a hopeless impoverished existence in an autocratic state depends on fooling enough people - and MUST BE DONE WITH DECORUM else the proles start to catch on to the game and get ideas. Trump's sin then is his OVERT theft and farcical malignancy that contrasts with say, a George W type of character, who had just enough sense for a dry drunk to combine his public theft with a kind of insufferable naivete such that self serving rationales and plausible fictions could be peddled by the mainstream media. Sadly for Brooks, there's no hope of polishing this turd. Trump is boldly showing the world what the Republican party has always been and will always be; a theft machine run by some of the worst human beings on the planet.

Response to harumph (Reply #40)

TBF

(36,342 posts)
9. When Trump is gone they will all be doing this -
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 11:01 AM
Dec 16

"It was all Trump, it wasn't the republican party at all - save us".


They realize he is taking it all down with him and they are scared they are going to be at best irrelevant (or at worst in jail) when this is all over.

Martin68

(27,492 posts)
10. Brooks is a fake intellectual who has always defended the Republican Party no matter how bad their policies for the
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 11:02 AM
Dec 16

average American. the faux outrage is too little too late for me to ever take him seriously. A "civic uprising?" What took him so long to realize that Trumpism, and the GOP Congress that supports him, "...is a multifront assault to make the earth a playground for ruthless men?"

MadameButterfly

(3,964 posts)
25. Very late. Does he not understand what we've been trying to do?
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 06:29 PM
Dec 16

Reminiscent of Trump (but to a much lesser degree), he realizes something we've all known for a long time and posts it as wisdom.

But he gets credit, because he's a Republican and maybe he'll be listened to by people who won't listen to s Democrat. So we have to be grateful, just not impressed.

Mblaze

(971 posts)
13. The reason that Trump is popular among you Republicans
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 11:58 AM
Dec 16

Last edited Tue Dec 16, 2025, 01:13 PM - Edit history (1)

Is that he's the only one who has been able to destroy the government that you Republicans have wanted to destroy since Ronald Reagan. The fact that he is taking individual freedom away and overriding State's Rights is a "political bottom line" that you are willing to sacrifice to the destruction.

patphil

(8,945 posts)
20. A house divided against itself cannot stand.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:31 PM
Dec 16

Jesus spoke of that in the bible, and Abraham Lincoln invoked that phrase in a speech against slavery.
We are a divided house now, and the situation must be resolved soon or we could collapse as a nation.
We no longer have civil discourse between the left and the right. People like Trump and his ilk have fanned the flames of fear, hatred, and intolerance, resulting in escalations of violent rhetoric and actions.
There are those on the left who have also done this, although to a much lesser degree.

This is the greatest challenge our nation has faced since the civil war. The "no kings" demonstrations are a good start, and a reaction to the "crazy" that we're seeing as part of the Trump administration is building. The next 11 months will show which way things will go.
Will sane, responsible people stand up and reign in the "crazy"? I certainly hope so.

regnaD kciN

(27,589 posts)
26. Took you long enough to notice, Davy...
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 06:44 PM
Dec 16

I’m just waiting to see how he’ll eventually blame it on “both sides.”

canetoad

(20,624 posts)
27. I agree with the aquisition of power statement
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 07:33 PM
Dec 16

Because power paves the way to untold wealth and inequality. Can't decide if the wealth is the primary goal or power for power itself.

rickford66

(6,058 posts)
32. So did the majority of Republicans and Conservatives.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 11:30 PM
Dec 16

They celebrated cheating Gore out of the Presidency, crippling the Vietnam peace talks, back channel deal about the Iran hostages, etc.etc. Now they are surprised Trump rose out of the ashes. It was only a matter of time before someone would.

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,402 posts)
29. This really nails it...
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 09:29 PM
Dec 16
"It is a multifront assault to make the earth a playground for ruthless men"

BlueTsunami2018

(4,939 posts)
30. Until we address the capitalism problem, none of this goes away.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:02 PM
Dec 16

The old monopoly comparison still holds. Capitalism is the root of every single problem this country and the world faces. It’s why we can’t have anything good, it’s why we have so-called “winners and losers”, it’s why there will always be people in poverty, homeless, undereducated and jobless.

Capitalism is the problem. Until we figure this out, this shit only gets worse and never ends.

harumph

(3,198 posts)
43. Unregulated capitalism is like starting a campfire - throwing gasoline on it and walking away.
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 10:33 AM
Dec 17

I'm more of an employee ownership kind of guy or something like the EOT concept in the UK. I hold that certain utilities (electrical grid, water, oil and gas) should be government operated and supply chains for those sectors if not government owned - firmly controlled. Capitalism (if regulated in the public's interest) also has a significant place in a functional economy. All this is much easier to theorize than to put into practice. No way this will be politically doable in the US short of an absolute disaster (either natural or artificial catastrophe). Firstly, money must be unlinked to political campaigns. Bribery and other kinds of money corruption (e.g., under the table deals) must be harshly punished. Markets/trading must be regulated robustly to conform to actual rules and not merely suggestions. I won't see it in my lifetime.

Trueblue Texan

(4,362 posts)
31. Doesn't it just drive your f*cking CRAZY...
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:39 PM
Dec 16

...that these so called political scholars/experts are JUST NOW GETTING THIS? I've seen this disaster coming for at least 2 decades!

I was at a political event tonight talking with other Dems and I said that I think Joe Biden went into his term as an "innocent." The eyes rolled. I said there are too many others in the Democratic establishment that are still too innocent and lack the understanding that what has been going on for the last 10+ years has NOTHING to do with politics as usual. There is NO desire in the Republican Party to work for policies that benefit the people. ALL the focus has been and is on the consolidation of power and MANY Dems, including Biden, did not/have not awakened to this fact. (Biden finally awakened toward the end of his term--not exactly "Sleepy Joe&quot And David Brooks? What took him so f*ing long? He's steeped in politics. Why couldn't he see this LOOOONG ago?

The gloves MUST come off if we are to save Democracy! We MUST wake up! We MUST tell our candidates we expect them to WAKE THE F*CK UP and to campaign like they see the light, like they are fully awake to the political reality Americans face!!

The candidates that spoke at our event tonight have definitely awakened. Nothing like this fiasco of government corruption has ever been seen before, both at the federal and state (Texas) level. Our Democratic candidates in Texas see it. If other candidates cannot see it yet, they will NEVER see it (MAGA)

I am so tired of screaming this message. Will they PLEASE wake up! Please scream with me this election season, DUers!

Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #31)

lonely bird

(2,873 posts)
36. It IS normal politics...
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 07:35 AM
Dec 17

Lasswell said, iirc, politics is who gets, what, where, when and how. This politics is the “why”.

It is a slow moving coup.

babylonsister

(172,710 posts)
44. Seems they're imploding.
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 08:20 PM
Dec 17

Per several talking heads I've listened to, one of their many problems is they're moving too fast and messing up by the numbers. Chris Hayes and guests, I'm pretty sure, addressed this. Now we're watching it!

JT45242

(3,989 posts)
37. Party over country has been the Republican way since America first Nazi collaborators
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 08:27 AM
Dec 17

I like the idea...but they want power for rich white men at the expense of all others.

They have spent decades using propaganda machines first on radio, then Fox News , then social media to indoctrinate millions of poor people to put party over country because they can make someone else suffer more.

OldBaldy1701E

(10,923 posts)
38. "I'm really not a movement guy."
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 09:32 AM
Dec 17

I don’t naturally march in demonstrations or attend rallies that I’m not covering as a journalist. But this is what America needs right now."

And, there is the problem. There are not enough people here in the US who understand that this mindset is going to get us killed/destroyed. And, as usual, he is willing to say what is needed, but that he is not willing to do it.

Don't worry, Mr. Brooks. You won't have much of a choice if you don't get off of your ass now.

You won't have any, to be honest.

 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
39. David Brooks, late as usual.
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 09:35 AM
Dec 17

Fuck him, and the rest of the trump-enabling swine at the NYT opinion dungeon.

Response to Paladin (Reply #39)

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