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orangecrush

(29,363 posts)
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 08:25 AM Dec 20

administration inserted a photo of Bill Clinton, Michael Jackson, and Diana Ross into the Epstein files and falsely impl




The White House has been caught.

The administration inserted a photo of Bill Clinton, Michael Jackson, and Diana Ross into the Epstein files and falsely implied it showed them with victims.

In reality, it’s a publicly available fundraiser photo featuring Jackson and Ross’s own children.

MeidasTouch (@meidastouch.com) 2025-12-20T12:33:16.088Z
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administration inserted a photo of Bill Clinton, Michael Jackson, and Diana Ross into the Epstein files and falsely impl (Original Post) orangecrush Dec 20 OP
If this is true, and I'm certain it is, FalloutShelter Dec 20 #1
It wasn't just deceitful PatSeg Dec 20 #14
Which I think was their intention Dave says Dec 20 #50
Ah yes, that is a good point PatSeg Dec 20 #55
I think you're giving them too much credit. MorbidButterflyTat Dec 20 #59
Unfortunately, this will be accepted as gospel by the 30% that still support Trump progressoid Dec 20 #53
Yes, that is true PatSeg Dec 20 #56
The Gang that couldn't shoot straight. Turbineguy Dec 20 #54
It would be hilarious, PatSeg Dec 20 #57
Dupe PatSeg Dec 20 #58
And with what they can do now with AI, it'll make tracing the truth slightlv Dec 20 #15
Whoever thought it would be any different... Dave says Dec 20 #49
Buffoons MiHale Dec 20 #2
They have no business being in power. Let the Republicans defend this shit. Botany Dec 20 #3
yes, needs to be on fox and sinclair all day every day happy feet Dec 20 #23
Time to take out the trash purr-rat beauty Dec 20 #4
Come on Mike "Grindr" Johnson defend this criminal act done in order to cover up child rape and sex ,.. Botany Dec 20 #5
Hmmm.... slightlv Dec 20 #16
Hopefully a Democratic lawyer this time orangecrush Dec 20 #29
Defamation at the very least. paleotn Dec 20 #21
No wonder they were having to work those 22 hour days.... travelingthrulife Dec 20 #24
How to scream "I'm guilty" without screaming "I'm guilty". mwmisses4289 Dec 20 #6
They are making a mockery sheshe2 Dec 20 #7
Just like the raping of our government on J6. They mock and laugh about travelingthrulife Dec 20 #25
I will never understand how January 6th has been soft-pedaled... CBHagman Dec 20 #44
Darling..Please look the other way. "We'll do the wonderful side-stepping out the door" chouchou Dec 20 #8
They can't be trusted on anything. They are disgusting. spanone Dec 20 #9
I think that's the whole point. hadEnuf Dec 20 #32
Truth orangecrush Dec 20 #35
I hope Meidas Touch posts this on Facebook, Instagram, X, and other social media. Lonestarblue Dec 20 #10
Everywhere!!!! nt Callie1979 Dec 20 #17
It is obvious that the administration is just simply trying to prove that Epstein is just a family man, that the island LiberalArkie Dec 20 #11
Yes, we'll probably see a photo of Trump having smores and singing Kumbaya. travelingthrulife Dec 20 #26
He will loose the hardcore MAGAt it that happens. They elected him because he is a "Manly Man", one that takes what LiberalArkie Dec 20 #30
The other strange thing is yesterday seeing it on TV, karynnj Dec 20 #12
I think Epstein invited nearly every rich/powerful person he could get his fingers on. travelingthrulife Dec 20 #28
I think you hit it on the nail karynnj Dec 20 #31
Some of the other Clinton photos looked fake to me Buckeyeblue Dec 20 #13
And in an AI world, it's relatively easy and quick to figure out what's been altered and what hasn't. paleotn Dec 20 #20
In essence, everything Epstein related coming from this regime is extremely suspect. paleotn Dec 20 #18
The "Billy Did It Too" Gambit. MineralMan Dec 20 #19
So, so stupid. This will just make it worse for him. The photos must be really BAD. Joinfortmill Dec 20 #22
They'd been better off stonewalling. marble falls Dec 20 #27
I'd be shocked if they actually produced anything useful - TBF Dec 20 #33
Oh, puhleez! llmart Dec 20 #34
Here is the original photo on Getty images: Doodley Dec 20 #36
Thank you orangecrush Dec 20 #37
Here it is again, posted on Michael Jackson's official website: Doodley Dec 20 #38
Defamation lawsuit time NameAlreadyTaken Dec 20 #39
The original photo posted on Getty images and on the Michael Jackson website prove that Doodley Dec 20 #40
I Smell A Lawsuit Deep State Witch Dec 20 #41
That would be great orangecrush Dec 20 #45
The point is so no one believes anything in there now. Oneironaut Dec 20 #42
Astute observation orangecrush Dec 20 #43
What unspeakable filth... GiqueCee Dec 20 #46
This is expected from those sick tRUMP-fucks wolfie001 Dec 20 #47
If they said Six117 Dec 20 #48
Someone needs to reign in these sick MOFO vapor2 Dec 20 #51
This whole fiasco is just another reminder of how much Garland's DOJ completely failed America. LonePirate Dec 20 #52
Agree orangecrush Dec 21 #62
Where would they get such an idea? Kid Berwyn Dec 20 #60
I hope Clinton & Ross sue the trump DOJ, and DJT. Ilsa Dec 21 #61

FalloutShelter

(14,276 posts)
1. If this is true, and I'm certain it is,
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 08:47 AM
Dec 20

It calls into question EVERY PHOTO in their doc dump.
They think they are soooo smart.
It NEVER ends.

PatSeg

(52,560 posts)
14. It wasn't just deceitful
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 09:56 AM
Dec 20

it was dumb as hell. In this day and age, it was something easily disproven and now calls into question every document and photo they released.

Dave says

(5,348 posts)
50. Which I think was their intention
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 08:21 PM
Dec 20

If the veracity is called into question, the oligarchs and their political agents can deny and lie until the rest of us are just dizzy, and justice gets denied again. IF they are successful.

progressoid

(52,796 posts)
53. Unfortunately, this will be accepted as gospel by the 30% that still support Trump
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 09:06 PM
Dec 20

They'll hear on soc media and AM radio how either:
A. The files can't be trusted.

or

B. Proves that Clinton is involved.

They won't hear or believe anything that challenges the narrative they've been fed for 30 years.
It's a cult.

PatSeg

(52,560 posts)
56. Yes, that is true
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 09:25 PM
Dec 20

Though I don't think we'll ever reach the 30%. After all these years, the brainwashing is total and unyielding. Maybe a few will wake up, but even then, they probably won't admit it.

slightlv

(7,583 posts)
15. And with what they can do now with AI, it'll make tracing the truth
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 09:58 AM
Dec 20

all that much harder, naturally. These people are just plain evil. There is no other word that comes close to describing them. Cover for the real criminals any way they can... redact their names, rip out the docs with pics of the hoity-toity, and create false pics and emails to embody all your enemies as the de facto criminals. One of these days, I dearly hope the real crooks get just what they deserve, and all their victims (of every kind and nature) get their due.

Dave says

(5,348 posts)
49. Whoever thought it would be any different...
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 07:53 PM
Dec 20

… has been living in a dream. No way, no how would they (initially) release documents and images deeply harmful to themselves and their oligarchic allies. However, pointing out their unlawful ways is a big positive.


Botany

(76,697 posts)
3. They have no business being in power. Let the Republicans defend this shit.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 08:54 AM
Dec 20

Last edited Sat Dec 20, 2025, 09:44 AM - Edit history (1)

The administration inserted a 25+ year old photo of Bill Clinton, Michael Jackson, Diana Ross, and her
Children into what was supposed to be the Epstein files and to falsely imply that Bill Clinton was the
problem with Epstein, child rape, and an international child sex trafficking ring.

Was Trump aware of this? Was Bondi aware of this? Was this Miller’s work. Was this Sebastian Gorka and “Noem on the Range’” dirty work in putting out fake evidence on Bill Clinton to protect Trump?
Who or whom were behind this indefensible act?

Everybody in America and around the world should be aware of this if true. (I am giving them the benefit
of the doubt.)

purr-rat beauty

(1,090 posts)
4. Time to take out the trash
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 08:55 AM
Dec 20

We do not deserve to be treated like idiots

The victims do not deserve to be treated as a liability, they deserve justice.

Botany

(76,697 posts)
5. Come on Mike "Grindr" Johnson defend this criminal act done in order to cover up child rape and sex ,..
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 09:09 AM
Dec 20

Last edited Sat Dec 20, 2025, 09:47 AM - Edit history (1)

…. trafficking. Planting of false evidence is a felony. End of story.

slightlv

(7,583 posts)
16. Hmmm....
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 10:01 AM
Dec 20
Planting of false evidence is a felony


I hadn't even thought of this angle of it! Oh, for a high powered lawyer who is on our side who has the strength, stamina, and courage to stand up to trump and his maladministration and finish what needs to be done!

sheshe2

(96,618 posts)
7. They are making a mockery
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 09:18 AM
Dec 20

of the crimes that were committed against young girls, now women. This is a slap in the face of all that these girls suffered. They are raping them again.

CBHagman

(17,455 posts)
44. I will never understand how January 6th has been soft-pedaled...
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 02:21 PM
Dec 20

It's not that reporters have failed to mention that Trump pardoned the January 6th insurrectionists, but the media generally and the Republican Party specifically and, really, everybody should treat what Trump did and is doing (including lying repeatedly about election results) as outright betrayal of the nation, open contempt for democracy, wanton lawlessness. Donald J. Trump should go down in history as a petty and vicious villain, yet we are still seeing coverage that frames the narrative in ways that ignore the grim realities.

hadEnuf

(3,564 posts)
32. I think that's the whole point.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 11:11 AM
Dec 20

They can't be trusted on anything. People are relying on felons who have no regard for the courts or the law to provide evidence against themselves. Not going to happen.

The only way we would get anything truthful is if those files were seized, which we don't currently have the capacity to do.

LiberalArkie

(19,480 posts)
11. It is obvious that the administration is just simply trying to prove that Epstein is just a family man, that the island
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 09:43 AM
Dec 20

was just a getaway for the Girl Scout summer outings.

How can anyone deny how wholesome the whole Epstein "Fake News" story really is.

travelingthrulife

(4,813 posts)
26. Yes, we'll probably see a photo of Trump having smores and singing Kumbaya.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 10:48 AM
Dec 20

This is such obvious deception, even MAGA should notice.

LiberalArkie

(19,480 posts)
30. He will loose the hardcore MAGAt it that happens. They elected him because he is a "Manly Man", one that takes what
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 11:02 AM
Dec 20

he wants. His polls went up when the audio of grabbing them by their parts. His polls went up when he said he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and nothing would happen. In other words for these people the Epstein files (him in it) would only boost him in that group of "Alpha Males".

I know way too many of these type of men and women. Yes, women who like that kind of mindset.

karynnj

(60,831 posts)
12. The other strange thing is yesterday seeing it on TV,
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 09:45 AM
Dec 20

this did not look troubling. It looked like the millions of pictures a successful politician takes at fundraisers. This one with famous people.

Why? Clinton is wearing a suit and it is clearly a posed picture. Clinton and every successful politician pose for thousands of these .. including with people like us who treasure those photos.

Why was it in the Epstein photos? It might be that Epstein, a known donor to many - just as Trump was decades ago- may have been involved in the fundraiser.

travelingthrulife

(4,813 posts)
28. I think Epstein invited nearly every rich/powerful person he could get his fingers on.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 10:51 AM
Dec 20

If they bit and assaulted the victims, he had film to use. If they didn't bite, he would just use them for other connections and to provide cover for the sex trafficking business.

karynnj

(60,831 posts)
31. I think you hit it on the nail
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 11:07 AM
Dec 20

David Brooks' description of interesting conversations with interesting scientists, politicians etc aptly describes that. In addition, a NYT article explaining his value to Chase Manhattan of bringing together people who helped each other build businesses does as well.

Interesting that his skill at creating a salon enjoyed by powerful or just interesting people could coexist with and cover his darker pedophile sex trafficking.

Buckeyeblue

(6,280 posts)
13. Some of the other Clinton photos looked fake to me
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 09:56 AM
Dec 20

The one where he is in the pool with Maxwell looked fake. Why would Bill Clinton go swimming with them? He really doesn't seem like the type of person that gets in a swimming pool. Maybe the beach. But not a pool.

paleotn

(21,834 posts)
20. And in an AI world, it's relatively easy and quick to figure out what's been altered and what hasn't.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 10:16 AM
Dec 20

Compare the photo to a ocean of other photos and...."Gee! That one sure looks sus. Why that's a picture of Clinton from years ago on vacation somewhere innocuous that's been added to a supposed Epstein related photo." If the one in the OP is any indication, these people are so incompetent, not much computing power will be needed to flush out the fakes.

paleotn

(21,834 posts)
18. In essence, everything Epstein related coming from this regime is extremely suspect.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 10:05 AM
Dec 20

Now whoda thunk that?

Unless there's a treasure trove of Epstein info somewhere that's not under regime control, a la something like Daniel Ellsberg, this whole Epstein "release" will be inconclusive at best. For Jackson's estate, Diana Ross, possibly Bill Clinton, and others, this "release" will probably result in a wave of legal complaints AGAINST the regime for defamation and fraud. This particular fraud in the OP is so ridiculously incompetent it just begs to be sued.

By the way, this isn't a release. This is a bunch of kids fucking around with Photoshop and Adobe and they're not very good at it.

MineralMan

(150,879 posts)
19. The "Billy Did It Too" Gambit.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 10:13 AM
Dec 20

That never got me off the hook with my Mom, and it's not going to get Trump off the hook, either.

TBF

(35,987 posts)
33. I'd be shocked if they actually produced anything useful -
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 11:12 AM
Dec 20

Trump was in office 4 years previously and took a ton of documents with him down to FL. Who knows what he was able to pull and destroy. I don't think we're ever going to hear the half of it ... unless the Epstein estate is willing to quietly leak things. Ghislaine Maxwell's silence will be ensured with a full pardon. I really don't think we're going to see anything implicating Trump (although I would love to see the financial documents, I suspect they not only abused young girls, but also made a ton of money out of pimping them).

llmart

(17,460 posts)
34. Oh, puhleez!
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 11:39 AM
Dec 20

If these pictures were untouched they would have surfaced years ago when the GOP was persecuting the Clintons endlessly. Only someone so ignorant or infatuated with their orange god or completely unaware of how today's technology works would believe that in all that was released so far, only Bill Clinton came up and not any with Trump. Buth then again, the cult members are pretty damned ignorant so that's probably their target audience.

Doodley

(11,779 posts)
40. The original photo posted on Getty images and on the Michael Jackson website prove that
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 12:53 PM
Dec 20

Last edited Sat Dec 20, 2025, 01:25 PM - Edit history (1)

there is nothing nefarious about it. It is a picture of Diana Ross and her child, the day she met Bill Clinton and Michael Jackson with his children. Yet this photo is being shown on Fox News, CNN and many more to imply that the children were victims of Epstein that have been redacted. There are YouTubes about "Clintons Face Jail Time," MAGA's are posting this proves Trump is innocent and Bill Clinton is guilty. This manipulation by the DOJ is illegal and I hope Democratic lawmakers fight back.

Oneironaut

(6,245 posts)
42. The point is so no one believes anything in there now.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 01:39 PM
Dec 20

Especially stuff about Trump and the billionaire class. They’re want plausible deniability. “Guess all of it can’t be trusted then!” And also, “What? We released the files like you asked!”

LonePirate

(14,349 posts)
52. This whole fiasco is just another reminder of how much Garland's DOJ completely failed America.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 08:34 PM
Dec 20

Garland's DOJ may not be as bad as this one; but their utter incompetence at pretty much everything enabled this mess.

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