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MSM: "AOC is just a left wing kook we can't take seriously, while (Original Post) edhopper Dec 20 OP
AOC is the future of both the Democratic Party and the country SocialDemocrat61 Dec 20 #1
Agree, love AOC! anciano Dec 20 #3
Damn! That woman is fine. Intractable Dec 20 #8
Like Jasmine Crockett SocialDemocrat61 Dec 20 #10
Especially those with dark skin. llmart Dec 20 #18
If dark skin is a problem, BidenRocks Dec 21 #64
YESSSSS... BINGOOO!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 20 #9
My gosh She's so beautiful. Oneironaut Dec 20 #15
I have a crush, but importantly.. mvd Dec 20 #31
100% this! Oneironaut Dec 20 #33
And she can dance! HappyH Dec 20 #20
I agree. I wasn't predisposed to approve of her, but she has really shown me. Mister Ed Dec 20 #36
Tap the brakes...AOC is the future for Democratic Socialists and the Bernie supporters, NOT the Democratic Party Wanderlust988 Dec 20 #50
It's not for South Carolina to decide, and it doesn't have to be the presidency MadameButterfly Dec 20 #59
It was South Carolina that saved our ass in 2020 with Joe Biden, and he is progressive Wanderlust988 Dec 21 #65
I don't want a flame thrower and I object that you decide who is a dreamer or not MadameButterfly Dec 21 #70
Post removed Post removed Dec 21 #74
Agree. betsuni Dec 21 #75
I suggested 3 Southern states MadameButterfly Dec 21 #80
Here we are amongst the Democratic underground.... reACTIONary Dec 20 #60
Tapping the brakes is what loses elections SocialDemocrat61 Dec 21 #67
YouCould Be Right, But For A Different Reason DallasNE Dec 21 #72
What generation does Erika Kirk speak for? Buckeyeblue Dec 20 #2
Ask Bari Weiss edhopper Dec 20 #4
This Bari Weiss? SocialDemocrat61 Dec 20 #5
The generation of grifters and film flam artists Javaman Dec 20 #19
AOC has and is putting in the work while Ms Kirk is being anointed by the press...big difference Deuxcents Dec 20 #6
And who gets 10x edhopper Dec 20 #11
Lauren Underwood is putting in the work. murielm99 Dec 20 #16
AOC gave the strongest condemnation of the gab13by13 Dec 20 #7
It's not just Magascum that hate her unfortunately SunImp Dec 21 #81
Source, please. Amaryllis Dec 20 #12
The Media edhopper Dec 20 #13
I could see FoxNews and maybe CNN. May NYTimes and WaPo but not sure who else LymphocyteLover Dec 20 #25
"The media. Everywhere." ificandream Dec 20 #30
Link obamanut2012 Dec 20 #37
MSM - just a bunch of profiteers supporting fellow profiteers. Trust_Reality Dec 20 #14
Regarless of whether you think she's a kook or not, she's not an opportunistic grifter ToxMarz Dec 20 #17
You should re-read my OP edhopper Dec 20 #21
When I said "Regarless of whether you think she's a kook" I wasn't referring to the original poster ToxMarz Dec 20 #46
Thanks edhopper Dec 20 #53
OP wasn't saying AOC's a kook. Quite the opposite. OP was referencing her unfair and biased treatment by M$M vs Kirk n/t Cheezoholic Dec 20 #28
When I said "Regarless of whether you think she's a kook" I wasn't referring to the original poster ToxMarz Dec 20 #44
She most certainly is not the voice of a generation. milestogo Dec 20 #22
Maybe MorbidButterflyTat Dec 20 #56
What is the source for that quote? Raven123 Dec 20 #23
You have a long wait because there is none. The OP just trolled it out of thin air. ificandream Dec 20 #34
It seems clear to me that it's describing the general gist of what the MSM is saying, rather than quoting anyone. Scrivener7 Dec 20 #38
Thank you edhopper Dec 20 #41
And apparently, general statements really piss them off. Which is ... very strange. Scrivener7 Dec 20 #45
Yeah edhopper Dec 20 #52
I'm sure FoxNews says that. Does MSNOW or CNN? LymphocyteLover Dec 20 #24
CBS is clearly throwing down the rose petals for Kirk. That's pretty mainstream. Scrivener7 Dec 20 #39
The Bari Weiss effect is evident. live love laugh Dec 20 #48
Thanks. I forgot how CBS has gone down the toilet since the Weiss takeover LymphocyteLover Dec 21 #66
Can't scream while vomiting! TexLaProgressive Dec 20 #26
Post removed Post removed Dec 20 #27
OP is NOT implying Kirk is wonderful. The OP is about the unfair treatment AOC gets in the M$M compared to Kirk Cheezoholic Dec 20 #29
I don't need an interpretation. I get what he made it look like he was saying. ificandream Dec 20 #32
Why does this anger you so much? The OP is obviously a general description of the current tenor of the news coverage Scrivener7 Dec 20 #47
Thank you edhopper Dec 20 #43
This ain't no mic drop. There's nothing wrong with the OP. Scrivener7 Dec 20 #40
You don't seem to understand edhopper Dec 20 #42
MAGA really Traildogbob Dec 20 #35
What? Who said that.. Bari Weiss? Kirk is Hate... Cha Dec 20 #49
More MSM "framing" and not so subtle endorsement... Evolve Dammit Dec 20 #51
It doesn't help when our own Democrats don't support her. Buddyzbuddy Dec 20 #54
So true. edhopper Dec 20 #55
The lowlifes... GiqueCee Dec 20 #57
Oligarchs own the media Indyfan53 Dec 20 #58
The so called "main stream media"? Could you be... reACTIONary Dec 20 #61
They don't need me to impune them edhopper Dec 20 #62
No quotes? Which MSN service... reACTIONary Dec 20 #63
You don't understand the what the OP edhopper Dec 21 #69
In my opinion, editorial comments.... reACTIONary Dec 21 #73
Hmmm lonely bird Dec 21 #68
Remember when Steve Bannon wanted AOC Mme. Defarge Dec 21 #71
Of course a bar fly would be interested in the bartender. marble falls Dec 21 #78
I've yet to hear JBTaurus83 Dec 21 #76
Here, I'll join you, AAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH! marble falls Dec 21 #77
OMFG, if I hear one more thing about Erika Kirk... Initech Dec 21 #79

Intractable

(1,753 posts)
8. Damn! That woman is fine.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 10:20 AM
Dec 20

Really fine.

I think that's one of the reasons republican men hate her so much. They can't have her!

llmart

(17,460 posts)
18. Especially those with dark skin.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 11:43 AM
Dec 20

Trump especially is terrified of strong, intelligent dark-skinned women.

Men with low self-esteem can't stand it if a woman is not intimidated by them.

BidenRocks

(2,944 posts)
64. If dark skin is a problem,
Sun Dec 21, 2025, 12:58 AM
Dec 21

why do so many strive for that dark tan?

They should look like Geishas. Cloud Dancer would work.

(Remember the 'color of the year?')

Oneironaut

(6,245 posts)
15. My gosh She's so beautiful.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 11:20 AM
Dec 20

And, I totally agree! We can only hope she will pick up where Bernie left off and continue to bring wonderful things in the future.

mvd

(65,865 posts)
31. I have a crush, but importantly..
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 12:59 PM
Dec 20

AOC is smart, progressive, and strong. Those traits add a whole lot to her good looks.

Mister Ed

(6,871 posts)
36. I agree. I wasn't predisposed to approve of her, but she has really shown me.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 01:32 PM
Dec 20

She's the real deal. I wish we could clone her.

Wanderlust988

(753 posts)
50. Tap the brakes...AOC is the future for Democratic Socialists and the Bernie supporters, NOT the Democratic Party
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 04:18 PM
Dec 20

There is nothing about AOC that shows she can control the whole Democratic Party. She has support on the coasts and urban areas, but that's it. She wouldn't come close to winning a South Carolina primary.

MadameButterfly

(3,865 posts)
59. It's not for South Carolina to decide, and it doesn't have to be the presidency
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 08:54 PM
Dec 20

She could become Speaker of the House, or a Leader of the Senate.
I could see her as the next generation's Nancy Pelosi.
But she is young, who knows where the country will be 20 years from now. After the pendulum swings back from Trump.
After 20 more years of strong women in politics. Did we foresee Barack Obama 20 years before he became president?
Frankly, she will have to be a little less beautiful and much more experienced to overcome the mysogeny, before she will be taken seriously enough to have a shot at the presidency.

As for South Carolina: that was put there to make sure no Progressive gets though a primary run. Enfranchising Black people was just an excuse to make it hard to undo. That needs to be fixed, or the Democratic Party is toast. Our candidates can't be chosen by one of the most conservative states in the country (nor should they be chosen by the most Progressive states either). We need to go back to starting with moderate states, small enough to really meet the candidates, then move on to states with prominant Black populations that are also swing states like Michigan, Virginia, Georgia, and North Carolina.

I was fine with Iowa. A one time technology glitch is irrelevant. Yes it's mostly White, but it gave us Obama. It also gave us a tie between Bernie and Buttigieg, which is the real reason Iowa was removed.

Wanderlust988

(753 posts)
65. It was South Carolina that saved our ass in 2020 with Joe Biden, and he is progressive
Sun Dec 21, 2025, 03:47 AM
Dec 21

He just wasn't a flame thrower, which is what you want. The black voters need to be there early cause they're not dreamers. They are clear-eyed and want someone that can win. All you folks clamoring for an AOC/Buttigieg ticket are so ridiculous. Although lovely people, they would only win a handful of states, if that. That's why we need South Carolina.

MadameButterfly

(3,865 posts)
70. I don't want a flame thrower and I object that you decide who is a dreamer or not
Sun Dec 21, 2025, 09:31 AM
Dec 21

based on race.

I want the nominee chosen by moderate states, not states on either extreme of the spectrum. People of color should be included, but we have done this by giving arguably our most conservative state veto power before the primaries ever get going. South Carolina Democrats identify as Conservative. That is not typical of the Democratic Party as a whole. If you want Black voters, they can be found in moderate states. Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan, Georgia.

I'm happy to have moderate candidates, I'm interested in winning the general election too. But said moderate candidates should have the campaigning skills to win a moderate state like Iowa. Iowa is not full of wild-eyed radicals but they do show up at town halls and find out first hand the candidates' ability to deliver their message. This vetting has served us in the general election for years. Our candidates should be able to handle the close examination in person that voters give them in Iowa and New Hampshire. i'm not suggesting we make Massachussetts or California our litmus test.

Response to MadameButterfly (Reply #70)

MadameButterfly

(3,865 posts)
80. I suggested 3 Southern states
Sun Dec 21, 2025, 10:48 PM
Dec 21

Georgia, North Carolina, and Virginia. The only non-Southern state I suggested considering was Michigan.

While you specifically cite Georgia's role in recent elections, you choose not to notice that I specifically mentioned Georgia as a better early state than South Carolina. I come from Virginia and was very involved in the Democratic party while it was a red state most of my life. Can we have this discussion without you calling me elite, anti-Southern, and disgusting?

We can consider race and region without skewing the results toward one or the other political extreme within the party.

First you tell me I'm excluding Blacks. Then you tell me I'm excluding Southerners. These are the kinds of arguments that keep us from debating the real issue: how to have the best candidates that truly represent the majority of the party.

reACTIONary

(7,057 posts)
60. Here we are amongst the Democratic underground....
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 09:44 PM
Dec 20

.... not the Democratic majority. The underground is a bit more enthusiastic than the majority.

SocialDemocrat61

(7,187 posts)
67. Tapping the brakes is what loses elections
Sun Dec 21, 2025, 08:05 AM
Dec 21

As Harry Truman said, “If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign."

DallasNE

(7,984 posts)
72. YouCould Be Right, But For A Different Reason
Sun Dec 21, 2025, 12:04 PM
Dec 21

America wasn't ready for Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris, and both times went for convicted felon Donald Trump. AOC would face the same hurdle as a woman. The problem isn't policy. It is prejudice. Harris clobbered Trump in the debate, but that test of competency didn't matter.

Buckeyeblue

(6,280 posts)
2. What generation does Erika Kirk speak for?
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 09:50 AM
Dec 20

It's ironic that she has three Ks in her name. Because that's really the type of hate she spews.

Javaman

(65,415 posts)
19. The generation of grifters and film flam artists
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 11:47 AM
Dec 20

She’s milking “the feel sorry for me” angle for all it’s worth.

And she’s hitching her cart to the couchfucker.

This won’t end well for her

gab13by13

(31,625 posts)
7. AOC gave the strongest condemnation of the
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 10:18 AM
Dec 20

Bondi/Blanche cover up of the Epstein files.

What happened yesterday was a crime, a release of worthless files, heavily redacted files.

Magats fear people like AOC so she must be attacked.

SunImp

(2,654 posts)
81. It's not just Magascum that hate her unfortunately
Sun Dec 21, 2025, 10:48 PM
Dec 21
Magats fear people like AOC so she must be attacked

There's a few snakes on our side that love taking digs at her any chance they can get. If you look closely you'll see some of her haters

ToxMarz

(2,800 posts)
17. Regarless of whether you think she's a kook or not, she's not an opportunistic grifter
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 11:25 AM
Dec 20

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's net worth is estimated to be approximately $49,000 as of November 2025, with some estimates ranging up to around $125,000 including her retirement savings. She is considered one of the least wealthy members of the U.S. Congress.

Compared to MTG:
Commonly cited figure Multiple media outlets and financial tracking sites initially reported her net worth as approximately $700,000 at the time she took office.
Since joining Congress, her net worth has reportedly increased significantly to an estimated $22 to $25 million as of late 2025. This increase has drawn scrutiny and led to allegations of insider trading, which Greene has denied, attributing the gains to her financial advisor and existing private investments.

According to Yahoo, Erika Kirk has an estimated net worth of about $2 million, which comes from her business, real estate, and podcasting endeavors. Following the passing of Charlie Kirk, whose net worth was close to $12 million, her entire wealth is anticipated to increase to about $14 million.

ToxMarz

(2,800 posts)
46. When I said "Regarless of whether you think she's a kook" I wasn't referring to the original poster
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 02:04 PM
Dec 20

I meant the general you. I should have been clearer and said "Regarless of whether anyone thinks she's a kook". Meaning even those who might should be able to see the glaring contrast

edhopper

(37,171 posts)
53. Thanks
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 05:32 PM
Dec 20

I get you now.
Just that a few replies asked me to cite the actual Media outlet this quote is from. So I was in defense mode.

Cheezoholic

(3,577 posts)
28. OP wasn't saying AOC's a kook. Quite the opposite. OP was referencing her unfair and biased treatment by M$M vs Kirk n/t
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 12:41 PM
Dec 20

ToxMarz

(2,800 posts)
44. When I said "Regarless of whether you think she's a kook" I wasn't referring to the original poster
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 02:02 PM
Dec 20

I meant the general you. I should have been clearer and said "Regarless of whether anyone thinks she's a kook". Meaning even those who might should be able to see the glaring contrast

Scrivener7

(58,883 posts)
38. It seems clear to me that it's describing the general gist of what the MSM is saying, rather than quoting anyone.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 01:38 PM
Dec 20

Sometimes the message sent by the totality of the news with respect to a specific story sends a very clear message. This is one of those times, and I find the OP to be an accurate description of that message.

Scrivener7

(58,883 posts)
45. And apparently, general statements really piss them off. Which is ... very strange.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 02:03 PM
Dec 20

Really, this kind of OP is posted all the time here. Can't figure why this one has created such bizarre anger.

edhopper

(37,171 posts)
52. Yeah
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 05:31 PM
Dec 20

it is strange. I mean, if they think I am posting a real quote, sure,, ask where it is from.
But I thought it was obviously a opinion about the state of the Media.

Response to edhopper (Original post)

Cheezoholic

(3,577 posts)
29. OP is NOT implying Kirk is wonderful. The OP is about the unfair treatment AOC gets in the M$M compared to Kirk
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 12:55 PM
Dec 20

Not all of M$M media implies this but a lot of them DO infer or outright say (Faux, Newslaxx etc) that AOC is crazy. Bari Weiss has yet to give a "town hall" to AOC on the "new" CBS. The argument being made by the OP is that much of M$M is trying to elevate Kirk as a leader of the younger MAGAt (splintered and crazy) repuke movement and giving her cred's by implying AOC is the same for the left but that AOC is the one who is "crazy". I see and read the unfair biased that OP speaks of every day. Many times it is very (intentionally) subtle. The intention of the OP was to rant that ANYONE who thinks Kirk is some magnanimous earth moving leader now that her husband is dead is crazy and that anyone who thinks AOC is crazy is even crazier!
The right is milking this Kirk shit for everything they can and its blowing up in their faces.

ificandream

(11,763 posts)
32. I don't need an interpretation. I get what he made it look like he was saying.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 01:03 PM
Dec 20

But he posted one flimsy "quote" with no sources. Not a one. That's not a quote. It's a figment of someone's imagination.

And one could read the bare sentence easily argue that it was a right-wing troll. Either way it was dumb.

And the MSM is not trying to elevate Kirk as anything. They are giving her news coverage. Unfortunately for all of us, she is a newsmaker at this point in time. I don't think her fame and glory will last more than a short time. Sure, the right-wing clowns at Fox and their friends will continue to speak of her, but you will see far less of her elsewhere than you are now.

Scrivener7

(58,883 posts)
47. Why does this anger you so much? The OP is obviously a general description of the current tenor of the news coverage
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 02:38 PM
Dec 20

of these two women. That kind of thing is posted here all the time.

You keep calling edhopper a troll for no reason. That's really nasty. Why are you doing that?

Traildogbob

(12,726 posts)
35. MAGA really
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 01:18 PM
Dec 20

Hate the fact she is so beautiful in RED. That’s their team color. She is hijacking it, like they did the American flag. And she is so damn smart, another attribute the RED KKKlan have not a shred of. They have made Red the color of stupid.
AOC is showing Red is not Dead.
Their “Babe” and focal point MTG, has turned sour on them. They still got the theater pole pumper, with squeeze boxes, Boobert and her bright red lip paint with a passion for poles that go boom and kill people. Lots of children.
AOC is a force. And media hate it.

Cha

(317,720 posts)
49. What? Who said that.. Bari Weiss? Kirk is Hate...
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 04:12 PM
Dec 20

AOC is DEI and Democracy.

So Fuck Off M$M as they have in my world since November 2002.

Buddyzbuddy

(2,318 posts)
54. It doesn't help when our own Democrats don't support her.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 05:32 PM
Dec 20

She's willing to shake things up while the old guard doesn't support her for leadership positions. I won't name names but I'm sure you have an idea. It's like the Harper Valley P.T.A.. "Can't" is not part of her vocabulary and that's my kind of politician.

GiqueCee

(3,622 posts)
57. The lowlifes...
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 06:15 PM
Dec 20

... that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez a "kook" ARE the kooks, who offer nothing of substance or value to ANY conversation. Fuck 'em all. They, and their verbal vomit, disgust me.

Indyfan53

(517 posts)
58. Oligarchs own the media
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 07:29 PM
Dec 20

The billionaires who benefited from Orange fuck want to controll the narrative so the dumbfuck masses keep voting Republican

reACTIONary

(7,057 posts)
61. The so called "main stream media"? Could you be...
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 09:50 PM
Dec 20

.... a bit more specific? Maybe provide at least one quote? Maybe even a large number of such quotes, if you want to impune an entire institution.

reACTIONary

(7,057 posts)
63. No quotes? Which MSN service...
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 11:00 PM
Dec 20

.... called AOC a left wing kook?

Was this an opinion piece, or an actual news article?

edhopper

(37,171 posts)
69. You don't understand the what the OP
Sun Dec 21, 2025, 09:24 AM
Dec 21

is saying. It's not a direct quote, it's an editorial comment.
If you read many of the replies, you will see that others understood and explained it.
Hope that helps.

reACTIONary

(7,057 posts)
73. In my opinion, editorial comments....
Sun Dec 21, 2025, 05:37 PM
Dec 21

... should be based in factual reality and provide some evidence of that reality.

As an example of the characterization of AOC that I see in the main stream media, here is a WaPo article about her from right after she was elected. It characterizes her, and also explores why "the main stream media" struggles to characterize her. No paywall, but you might have to register your email.

Why the media world can’t make sense of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: The congressional newcomer doesn’t fit neatly into a preexisting mold.

This article makes so many good points that it is hard to select from them and keep within the four paragraph quote limit. Here is a sample:

In the moments after President Trump’s televised address to the nation last week — a barely disguised campaign pitch promoting his border wall — his Democratic opponents’ response was stilted and tepid. Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), in the felicitous phrasing of James Poniewozik of the New York Times, were “looking unfortunately like a cross between Grant Wood’s ‘American Gothic’ and the twins from ‘The Shining.’”

Whatever it was that was needed in that crucial moment, they lacked: Spunk. Passion. Vitality. A few minutes later, Ocasio-Cortez made her first appearance with Rachel Maddow on MSNBC, and exhibited precisely those qualities. She practically jumped off the screen into the nation’s living rooms.

Here is another example covering her personal account of her experiences during the Jan 6 insurrection:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez shared her personal story and revealed our collective trauma.

In many ways, the setting was stark and sterile, but she filled all that emptiness with her clear-eyed recollections of fear and dismay. She might have been using 21st-century technology, but her storytelling style was one that goes back generations. This was our shared oral history — a full reenactment.

She began at the end and then she circled back to the beginning as a dramatist might. She recalled seeing the warning signs of what was to come — of encountering demonstrators earlier that week when she left the Capitol after a vote and headed for her car. Her heart was pounding when she saw their Trump signs attached to their sharp flagpoles, but she still engaged with them. “I like to think I’m disarming,” she said as she laughed.

I read, and support, the "main stream media." What I see is factual and respectful reporting concerning AOC.

lonely bird

(2,822 posts)
68. Hmmm
Sun Dec 21, 2025, 08:18 AM
Dec 21

The corporatist media seeks one thing: profit.

The easiest path for that was/is kowtowing to the Apricot Appeaser and his simplistic base. As long as they get clicks they do not care. Oh, sure, every once in a while they commit a journalism as Jeff Tiederich says but for the most part they play bothsidesism. In the case of AOC they, imo, intentionally played her up as some wild-eyed bomb-throwing Anarchist.

What actually has happened with AOC, again imo, is that she has grown in her office. She comes across as a formidable politician. Even though her thoughts and ideas were good for her district and resulted in her election she has expanded beyond that in a very real and impressive way.

Mme. Defarge

(8,935 posts)
71. Remember when Steve Bannon wanted AOC
Sun Dec 21, 2025, 09:48 AM
Dec 21

on their team because he recognized her powerful presence and her “blue collar” appeal as a former bartender?

JBTaurus83

(996 posts)
76. I've yet to hear
Sun Dec 21, 2025, 10:05 PM
Dec 21

Of anyone talking about Erika Kirk. What a joke. She reminds me of the protagonist in “Handmaids Tale”.

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