I am not often asked the question of whether or not God is a woman or a man............

This thread is going nowhere worthwhile.

Yep, DU never ceases to amaze.

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Aileen Wuornos.

Not all violence is perpetrated by men.

Wise up.

but it does not add up to the damages I have mentioned. As to wising up, I'm there.

How generous of you.

Ever hear about how the female capos at concentration camps were dreaded more than the males, because they were far more cruel?

Ever read about how Native American tribes handed their prisoners over to their females, because they were capable of contriving far more torturous treatment than their male counterparts?

Ever investigate how many 'black widows' have killed their spouses with slow, agonizing poisons in order to collect the insurance money - and how many weren't caught until the second or even third husband died under the same 'mysterious circumstances' - finally prompting an investigation into past events?

Ever hear about the 'good nuns' who ran orphanages or 'schools for wayward girls' who systematically abused - verbally, physically, and sexually - the youngsters given over to their good Christian care?

Violence and cruelty are not the domain of one gender. And your naivete on the topic is astounding.

we are weary of the stupid shit happening to women right now. It is truly a woman's thing and some might not get it. This is about weariness more than anything else I think. A weariness of seeing so much woman bashing, etc.

Tomorrow is another day. I hope.

But it should not be used as an excuse to lay the blame of all things at the feet of men - any more than blaming women for all things can be rightfully laid at their feet.

Men-bashing is not a cure for women-bashing, nor is it an appropriate response.

the news has been bad, some of us are in a bad way. You get tired and post something you might not on another day.

We all do it.

We realize after-the-fact that we may have been unfair, or too caught up in the moment to see things as objectively as we might on another day.

I appreciate your honesty.

But I have never seen any actual evidence to back it up.

Female Capos. Surely they only operated in the womens side of concentration camps, so where is the comparison?

Native Americans. That is a canard that has been repeated about various tribal nations that fought European colonisers. I first read about it in an adventure story in the '50s; a "Biggles" book possibly; regarding pilots caught by insurgents in Mesopotamia. It was also alleged as happening to Italian pilots in Ethiopia and again in Donald Morris' excellent book about the Zulu Wars "The Washing of the Spears". In all cases these are just quoting uncited reports by anonymous commentators.

I'm not saying it didn't happen but that the accusation does seem to lack evidence.

If you haven't studyed the issue, how could you possibly say that?

Each side of the gender divide has their contributions to offer on both of those fronts.

The various Demi-gods are all explicitly gendered, and the overlord is referred to as "him", but perhaps "he" got fixed.

Their predecessors certainly were highly sexual, as are the gods of the Hindu pantheon. I'm not convinced Buddhism really has gods. The Demi-god satan, if we go by Boch's imagining, certainly liked to have his minions commit heinous sexual acts on his multitude of damned souls.

Unfortunately we cannot paint things so easily. I know so many men that are loving, caring and generous. At the same time I know women who are selfish, controlling and, yes, mean.

We need to look at the underlying characteristics of the person irrespective of gender, age, orientation, ethnicity, etc.

and the disturbing behavior both sexes exhibit when they are emotionally hurting. I've learned through talking to my daughter that she has know several girls who cut when they are emotionally distressed. This seems to be something girls do while boys handle their distress differently. My husband commented that it seems that girls tend to hurt themselves while boys tend to commit violent acts against others. I wonder if there is any truth to this. There was a boy at my daughter's school who just committed suicide in the school parking lot a couple of weeks ago. He only hurt himself. He did not want to take vengeance on anybody before he left.

can be the ultimate act of violence to others. It is impossible to know someones mindset when they are in that situation but I think there is a certain amount of "I'm going to make you sorry and you will have to live with it forever" going on in some cases.

There is a way to know the mindset of people who commit suicide, since some of them do not succeed. And in most cases, the person is not thinking that far in advance. They are depressed and they see no hope, so they just want to stop hurting. They usually do not think about how their act will affect others around them.

Now I do think that there are many people who use the threat of suicide in the way you describe, but those people rarely actually go through with it. They are using it as a power play.

Only a woman is capable of creating beauty, and only a man is capable of creating horror.

" ... nor am I a man hater."

No, you just play one on the internet.

I suspect you're seeking attention - and you're about to get some. And it ain't gonna be pretty.

Who's God going t have sex with?

and was made in the image of man (sic.)

The reality is that humans are, by default, female in utero and remain so unless particular chemicals are released some time after the beginning of a human fetus.

This knowledge of how reproduction actually works should provide a giant clue to anyone that any religion that refers to god as a "he" is a worthless religion.

"I am not a man hater"

You have a funny way of showing it.

There are men protesting the gang rape incident as hard as women are.

As for the other impressive proof that "all men are scum" that you've provided, that's less then a fraction of a percent of men who've committed horrible crimes like that. Most of us are decent people who just try to live our lives and do good things for those we love.

Must be because it's directed against men.


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Sexist trash, plain and simple.

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A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:17 PM, and voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: Agreed. Sexist garbage.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: My ninety year old mother says this all the time
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It is certainly sexist, but it seemed to open in a few responses a serious discussion. Better to discuss than to censor.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: :/

Thank you.

By Juror 5 logic, racist and homophobic posts should be allowed to stand provided they "open in a few responses a serious discussion."

You read deeper into the text, than you needed to. This post was to ask the question, when we are going to stop and when are men (mankind) going to stop.

If the incidents I mentioned had been done by women, I would have posted it that way. However, women currently do not have enough power (political & social) to stop these events from occurring.

My question to you, is why did you see this as sexist, there was no intent for this post to be sexist. In your eyes will each person who posts at DU and makes or compares something different between the sexes, have their post expunged because their remarks may be seen as sexist?

Apologies for the language.
Does not every living being also suspect the lies being fed to us?

"God" is a made up creature, obviously. Invented by humans. Otherwise, you have an eternity to spend with Mohammed nagging you about cartoon images. "That wasn't a good picture of me!"

Edited to fix the title.

Stay thirsty my friends.

what? I couldn't help it.

oh yeah, there is no god so its moot.

because it is sexist crap, as I noted in my alert. However, it has been alerted on prior to my alert and is now allowed to stand 3-3.

As a female, I find it extremely disgusting to assign traits exclusively to one gender or the other.

That's a very right wing pov.

Whatever you do, I'll just trash this post so I don't have to see it.

post to be sexist. You read deeper into it, than you needed to.

to be sexist? How bad would it have reflected on the entire male population of this planet if you DID 'intend' to write a sexist post?

you needed to.

Your response is very defensive, and it appears that you're looking for an argument. You're not going to bait me into that.

An argument would imply that you have somr sort of defense for your position. You have none.

"When I see the horrors of the world, I say only a man could create this".

That statement alone tells everything the readers need to know about you and your intent in starting this thread.

614 posts. I would assume you have been lurking or not paying attention to DU for 6 years. You do not come and post with an angry tone (which is what your posts sound like).

Whatever you're angry about, figure it out and post about it. Read, read & read my post, it is not sexist or prejudicial in any way. I should have posted a smilie.

I am editing, reread the post & figure it out.

...."I'm not a racist, I'm just telling it like I see it".

It's a questions, that others who have posted, say can't be answered, because God(if you believe) is not a an entity that has a sex.

I am just really tired of all the DU'ers who have read this post, but can't read it & figure it out. They only assume to "know" what the post means. And since it states an opinion the reader doesn't agree with, then the poster must be a person who hates men, etc.

You're reading of the post & your assumptions about the poster, is just as bad as the tea-baggers assumption that the President is a socialist.

There are a number of college classes, that a person can attend, that will allow them to read a post, a book, a commentary, judiciously and intelligently.

"When I see the beauty of the world, I say only a woman could create this,
When I see the horrors of the world, I say only a man could create this"

If you really believe this then you seem to believe that the genders have different capacities for creation and destruction. They do not and to take another stand is to slander half the people on this planet.

....and the "you can't read" bullshit. You showed your slip. I make no assumptions other than what I read that you proudly stand behind.

You know exactly what you are doing, and lucky for you, you got one of these juries that doesn't want to do it's job.

Great thread, btw.

Dilemma solved without any sexist crap.

and the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.

When will we cease?


As soon as we make it unprofitable to do so.


Pocketbooks are the only thing Americans respond to.

consider the reverse:

"all the good in the world, only a man could create;
all the bad in the world, only a woman could create."

everyone would immediately recognize this as overtly sexist and rightly so.

i'm a hardcore feminist and allow quite a bit of slack for objections to male behavior and patriarchy and so on.
but this is simply unconstructive, unhelpful, hate.

I grabbed the guy at the throat, before he tried anything,

Now here you are...

Wow, what a giant letdown. Seeing that you are a "hardcore feminist" and all...

I would if I could!

Edit to add: probably only dudes get to call themselves "hardcore feminists".

and the OP is #1

before making an OP with exactly that subject matter.

I, as a gay man, will no longer discuss issues of gender on this site. Anyone who mentions the subjects on either "side" goes directly to ignore.

I have a beautiful daughter, and all I want her to do is grow up and never have to experience this insanity...this terror.

Now to answer you earlier question.

God is not a man or a woman.

And, who 'made' GOD - a man or a women?

and you missed the whole concept and question of the post.

This is an excellent example of religious beauty. Granted, it's not religious in the actual sense of the word, but it does make you think and feel and aspire to understand that something more. Which is the root of most religion.





This is an excellent example of the horrors bestowed on society in the name of religion. Bigotry breeds hate, and hate fuels violence.

I ask you, when in the hell is the world going to wake up to these disgusting behaviors?

All I can say for sure, is that I am defintely unsure of the truthfulness of one of the people who posted in your thread.

in my opinion it's more than one person.

Agreed!

The possibility for good or evil live in each of us. To suggest otherwise is to do a disservice to either sex.

Might as well ask whether or not God is a horse or a pumpkin.

If Christianity is correct in understanding God as pure spirit, then God "the Father" and God the Holy Spirit have no gender, because only beings with bodies can have sex characteristics. Jesus of Nazareth was male and gendered if the gospel stories of his life are correct.

God is understood as having all the human strengths, but magnified unimaginably: God is all-powerful, all-knowing, has love and compassion for all. Since women as well as men have power and knowledge, and since both genders express love and compassion, it is a distortion to understand God as an old man with a white beard. God has both masculine and feminine strengths, but no gender, except for Jesus, who is understood as the Son of God. If God has a Daughter, she does not appear in the Bible, although there are holy women there.

So, to summarize, God is both masculine and feminine, but has no gender, except for Jesus of Nazareth, who was one of the most compassionate and forgiving teachers we have on record.

"When the hell is the world going to wake up and cease these disgusting behaviors?"

Well, according to you, when all the men disappear.

Why are you dragging God into your lame misandry.

I think not. Hatred of men is not something I harbor.

You just think only they can create horrible evil and only women can create absolute beauty.

As a gay man this reminds me of the people who claim they don't "hate gays" they just think they are horrible sins against nature that must repress their true feelings.

Here is an idea, maybe being man or a woman doesn't imbue you with any special capacity for good or evil. Maybe it just means that you have a penis or a vagina.

But otherwise I'm completely with you, Kurska!

Transgendered, intersex or otherwise people of course have every right to define what gender they are regardless of the sexual organs they were born with.

to a discussion by an Episcopalian priest-on the male-female aspects of god. i reluctantly agreed to go with her. i got the shock of my life, listening to this man suggesting books like eisner's book on the feminine religious influence. and he stated that when he needed to find solace, compassion, empathy, he prayed to the female aspect of the creator; and when he needed some form of resolution, determination, he prayed to the male aspect of the creator. at the time, i thought, this is so different from the OT vengeance god persona.

for thousands of years, the human race has given their gods, goddesses attributes of human emotions-greed, vengeance, jealousy, love, compassion. it is humans who determine what they create to worship, and it is humans who lay the blame on their god for whatever obscene, heinous crime they commit-that god that was made in their image.

i think you're caught up in the societal perception of "male" and "female" personas. men can be gentle nurturers and women can be cold blooded killers. but, society tends to allocate certain characteristics to the sexes, not all is true. i'd say, it was more so thousands of years ago.

Rape occurs to both genders, and we should all back both genders towards eradicating the disease.

Power works on a hierarchical scale, so women rape mostly kids an some older males or females, kids rape kids, and males rape all of them, including seniors, or so it would seem. Until we learn to fight this together, we will continue to fail. Typically female rapes of males is ignored at all levels, from reports, investigations, and even court cases. A women held a minor for 3 days of captivity, keeping him inebriated, and seducing him. His parents brought the case. The judge concluded because the boy looked big for his age, it was an OK thing, and the female walked. About 6 months later she was finally re-arrested and jailed, after partying school children that passed her apartment.

Females tend to assault together, tend to be more vicious in their assaults of body cavities, and the duration of each assault is longer due to heighten hormones. They are also most likely past over in arrests, a reluctance to believe the victim that the event occurred, or to actually look for evidence to support a males accusation. In a study in a Hawaiian prison, the original pilot study, and follow up study both showed 100% of male pedophiles had a sexual abuse child history of rape and molestation by female care givers (baby sitters, day cares, schools), and by moms, aunts and sisters.

I am pointing this out because to deny males get raped, is mythical, and forms a false sense of security for victims and those charged with working in these abusive areas. One thing this lack of knowledge has done, has made it difficult for the psychological field to get an accurate analysis, so systems are put in place to help males who have been sexually abused. Many of these cases end in suicide when the male victim reaches 30-40 years old.


As a society we must help and support one another. Our inability to do that has affected the entire society. Judges that make bad calls like this one can be handled. Judges have state organizations that allow you to file complaints at.

This book, available at library, explains everything. http://books.google.com/books/about/Nursery_crimes.html?id=O2NHAAAAMAAJ

This discussion has evolved into, baiting and name calling. I think only, because, people have not read the last sentence. I did not ask when will men wake up, but when will we wake upl

Broadbrush much?

This thread is pure 100%, sexist, scummy, stinking, putrid, flamebait.

There is no fucking god, anyway.

yes men are bad and have power
all they need is to be educated

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

So he/she is both, which is ok.

Either way, while we are here, we get to experience, change, enjoy and marvel. Best of all, love.

I was going to say neither and both at the same time but you beat me to it. But I agree wih you

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

self-procreation is my guess. Don't assume god looks like you or me, if Gensis is correct he is both.

I think the all of the creation stories are pleasant myths that reassure us that somehow we are important specks in the universe and not merely insignificant specks.

I was always told in church God was gender neutral.
In other words, this question is a non-issue.
Usually the people who take on such a question don't believe in God in the first place.
Making the question even more of a non-issue.

would think that "the creator" who apparently created all of this from nothing, who can see all, feel all, live in all times and dimensions, on all planets and in every galaxy, would be another homo sapian or take the form of some gender.

Why is it humans seem to think they are the apogee of all creation?

It is the manifestation of a creation/destruction scenario. It's like the movie "Terminator," when the kid looks at other kids playing at killing each other & realizes, "We're going to destroy ourselves," & the Terminator responds something to the effect of "It's in your nature."

he/she would be mortal, not god. that is like asking whether my dog is a cat or a squirrel.

How could you not prefer the people responsible for all the beauty?

There is no possible way to reconcile your fourth sentence with the previous three. Simply put, you're a misandrist, even if you don't think you are.

More to the point; the fact that the jury didn't hide this post and 5 duers recommended it gives strong support to the presence of a misandrist culture at du.

If you believe what you said, then you hate men. Period.

all I said, was it is a response I give when asked a certain question. And actually your hatred of women is very vivid.

You hate women? That is a very odd position. It almost seems like you are arguing evil women are inferior in their evil than evil men. By extension you also seem to be arguing that good men are inferior in their good than good women.

I have an idea. Why don't we not stereotype the genders and just let people be judged as individuals.

It is a strange law that humans have latched onto.