I Know When The Russia/Ukraine War Will End

[gab13by13]

When Russians start withdrawing money from banks. It's coming next year, at least by fall.

Ukraine will never surrender.

[PJMcK]

1. Or if Putin is gone

This war is wrapped up in his ego and survival. The war has cost too much in human lives, material, world status and money. He can’t quit without showing a “win.”

Either he dies somehow or he’s ousted. Then the wat will wind down.

[PufPuf23]

2. What happens if there is a hot shooting war between NATO and Russia?

The Russia/Ukraine War becomes the NATO/Russia War and the outcome for Ukraine would be determined by the outcome between NATO and Russia.

[Irish_Dem]

5. Russia is running out of money and manpower.

I don't think it can win a NATO war.

[thesquanderer]

14. That may depend on whether they are fighting a NATO-with-U.S. or a NATO-without-U.S.

I don't have any confidence that Trump would commit to supporting NATO in such a circumstance.

And Putin could conceivably see the next few years as his best opportunity to challenge NATO, because if a Dem becomes president in 2029, NATO will probably return to being the kind of deterrent it was in the past.

[Irish_Dem]

19. I don't think Russia can handle two fronts, Europe and Ukraine.

Even if the US is not helping NATO.

But if Trump aligns with Russia and it is the US fighting NATO, then that is another story.

[rampartd]

3. the ukraines know what they are in for and will die to stop it.

trump = putin = the same thing is coming for us.

we may need to get serious.

[mahina]

4. Can you talk some more about that please?

I agree that Trump looks up to Putin if he isn’t actually under Putin‘s orders, which he very well may be. I’d like to hear more about what lies ahead for us. Thank you.

[gab13by13]

10. If Krasnov isn't under Putin's orders

what would Putin have done differently than Krasnov has done?

Krasnov has destroyed our institutions and has the military breaking the law following his every command.

The only thing left for Krasnov to do is kill people on 5th Avenue instead of the Caribbean.

[mahina]

13. 100%. I get it.

But what lies ahead? Thank you.

[gab13by13]

30. Just my opinion,

I have a couple of thoughts.

I think that Democrats should not nominate a politician for president in 2028. I believe that by nominating someone like Malcolm Nance, a military man, or some other strong man, it will unite more unwashed Americans, it will let everyone know that Democrats are serious about restoring our democracy and punishing the people who destroyed it.

There ae rabid, hard core Magats who will never leave the Magat party, but I believe that there is a significant number of unwashed Magats who will join us to throw out the billionaires. Having the support of unwashed Magats will put pressure on Congressional Magats to abandon Krasnov.

The only thing is that the worst of the cuts to our social safety net won't happen until Dec. 1, 2026, after the midterms.

Weird, but my hope for saving our democracy may rest with unwashed Magats, or anyone else who was on the fence about supporting Democrats.

[CrispyQ]

27. King Trump has divvied up the world, & Putin gets Russia & Europe, Xi gets Asia, & Trump gets the Americas.

When they get to that point, they can fight over Africa & Australia.

All I want for New Year's is for the orange fuck to die. Painfully & publicly, would be ideal, but I'm not picky. If he dies in his sleep I will still party.

[gab13by13]

32. Yes, you are 100% spot on,

Irish_Dem has been saying what you posted for many months now.

[IronLionZion]

6. Russians have been trying to leave Russia to avoid conscription

many who were outside their country when the war started have not returned. Asia is easier for them than Europe. Youtubers have interviewed plenty around the world.

European countries have frozen assets from some Russian oligarchs.

[FakeNoose]

7. Yes there have been a lot of draft evasions among young men in Russia

It hasn't gotten much notice here, but European newspapers have been covering it. Also back when the invasion started, there were a rush of Russian "soldiers" (draftees with little training) who immediately defected to Ukraine. Those men knew they were better off sitting out the war in a prison in Ukraine than actually fighting for Putin.

These Russian defectors were reported as "casualties" because Putin didn't want to give other military enlisted men any ideas. It's probably still going on but we don't hear about it.

[BH liberal]

8. I see a real possibility...

that Putin would use tactical nukes in any conflict with NATO countries. Would Trump support NATO if it comes to armed conflict with his "comrade"? Don't think Europe should be taking Trump's support for granted.

[Wounded Bear]

9. I think Europe is getting ready to go on without the US...

trump is forcing them to it. Since trump took office, they see the writing currently on the wall and they know trump backs Putin, not them.

Pisses me off, but it is reality now.

[BH liberal]

11. Once the nukes (even small ones) are deployed...

it will be very difficult to hold the line against escalation to the full meal deal.

[paleotn]

29. That they are. Certainly Poland, Finland and the Baltics.

When you're next door to the bad guy, you have to take all scenarios into serious consideration. Including the US being unfaithful. Even during the Cold War, that was a serious question. Even in the US, we pondered it. Would the US risk direct attack in defense of Bonn, Paris and London? Or would we fold and break our agreements? Poland has been planning for that possible scenario for years. After all, they have a painful history of not being able to rely on allies for their defense.

If the EU has catching up to do, it's our fault. After WW2 and throughout the Cold War, it was in our interest to keep Europe's militaries weak and reliant on the US for defense policy. Our policy became their policy by default and there wasn't a hell of a lot they could do about it. When they did try to reflex their military muscles and act independently, Suez Crises, we slapped down France and the UK.

Fast forward to just after the Cold War - The US was less than pleased by the 1998 Saint-Malo declaration where France and the UK called for an independent European security and defense policy. Again, not in US interests for Europe to go it alone. So after all that, we're NOW bitching that Europe isn't pulling it's own weight in NATO? For decades we incentivized and arm twisted them NOT TO!

[Polybius]

17. I don't think there will be a "conflict with NATO countries"

Russia would be stupid to attack them. NATO won't attack first either, nor should they.

[BH liberal]

28. If Putin becomes desperate enough...

anything can happen.

[paleotn]

31. That's the worry. There's a reason Putin was relegated to the Dresden backwater during his KGB days.

When all the important stuff was going on in Berlin. As the story goes, his superiors back in Moscow thought the took too may unnecessary risks, didn't think things through very well and was kind of a loose cannon. Unfortunately for all of us, the mediocre KGB operator failed upwards.

[BH liberal]

37. As Putin gets closer and closer...

to his dirt-nap, he may decide to foist his suicide on all of us. When will the human race finally end the nonsense of allowing insane alpha males to rule over nations?

[off-the-clock]

38. Yes, the downside of medical progress is that it benefitted Putin and tsf

[gab13by13]

12. Have you noticed the propaganda campaigns

that Krasnov ran for Putin?

The past several months there has been a campaign in the MSM to create the impression that Ukraine was losing the war. There were reports that Russia had captured a critical hub, Pokrovsk, it was a lie. Ukraine has control of that hub which is critical for Russians to get supplies and reinforcements.

Once the propaganda that Ukraine was losing was established then phase II of the propaganda hit the MSM, Ukraine must agree to the surrender (peace) agreement that Krasnov backed by the way. The MSM is still full of propaganda about the "peace" plan.

I see that the meeting between Krasnov and Zelenskyy at Mar-a-Lago has been canceled. maybe Krasnov was going to kidnap Zelenskyy for Putin, or offer him some polonium soup?

[niyad]

16. Thank you for the update on that meeting. Frankly, having Zelenskyy

anywhere near krasnov worried me. I simply do not trust putler's puppet.

[Strelnikov_]

26. Phillips O'Brien has a good read today on what he calls

the Pantomime between Orange Asshole and Putin. Just an act to freeze the Europeans in thinking there may be an agreement, while buying Putin a few more months. Repeat . .

[gab13by13]

33. Yes, absolutely,

Pretty hard to make a peace plan when only one side has given concessions.

Zelenskyy had no choice but to go through the motions regarding these peace plan negotiations or he would be attacked in the press.
Deep down Zelenskyy knows he cannot agree to a surrender plan.

[niyad]

15. You haven't been paying attention, then. ruzzians have been taking their

money out. over a trillion rubles a few months months ago, over 400 billion already this month alone.

[Farmer-Rick]

18. So is it a run on the banks?

That's going to happen here when pedo Trump stops the FDIC and other deposit insurance.

[gab13by13]

21. Russia's GDP is near zero right now,

mainly because of the price of oil and the sanctions. Zelenskyy changed tactics, brilliantly, by attacking Russia's oil and gas infrastructure.

[Farmer-Rick]

25. Thanks for the info

Seems dick taters are really bad for the economy.

[niyad]

23. Pretty darn close. There are appparently limits on how much anyone can

withdraw at any time. And many loans are going unpaid, as well as many businesses failing.

[gab13by13]

34. Also, Putin has started to ration gasoline in Crimea.

[niyad]

40. Not just in Crimea. Moscow and St. Petersburg, and many more.

[gab13by13]

20. Yes, it's coming.

The only other option to end the war is for NATO and Europe to step up and increase its arms to Ukraine. Make it clear to Putin that he can't win the war, even though he has Krasnov in his pocket. Once again Krasnov has picked the losing side, everything Krasnov touches dies, including Russia.

[Buckeyeblue]

22. We seem to be at a cross roads

Trump can't seem to go against Putin. He tried for a minute but whatever Putin has on him is just too damaging to Trump.

But a number of Republicans understand the threat of letting Putin get his way. I don't think Trump has the support to push for a peace plan that is really a Ukrainian surrender. Also, I don't think Europe, who has the most to lose after Ukraine, would be on board for such a peace plan.

I think a NATO intervention could end the war very quickly. The hesitation is with Putin and his nukes. Would he? He might. But would his military follow orders to launch? We think it's only Putin making that decision. But the military itself has to understand that launching a nuke would also be signing their own death warrant.

[gab13by13]

36. Totally no evidence on my part

but I believe that Putin has copies of the Epstein files, Krasnov was a major player in sex trafficking.

[Buckeyeblue]

39. Specially some sort of visual evidence of Trump depravity

Each time Trump tries to stray there is a gentle reminder of what's out there. I think there are times when Trump thinks fuck it, I'll do what I want. But each time he walks it back. Maybe that how bad it is.

[Strelnikov_]

24. When China stops supplying drone components

to one or both sides.

[duckworth969]

35. It'll end when Putin is dead

Maybe.