We're going to lose our Aerospace sector.

[OAITW r.2.0]

Trump's tariffs on aluminum is a big problem for every Aerospace US manufacturer. Everyone produces 6000 series aluminum,,,,easy to work/extrude. But Canada has other markets for their 2000 series aluminum. Difficult to produce and engineered into almost every aircraft aluminum component. Boeing is thinking about about future profitability. They may end up manufacturing in Canada, just to get the aircraft aluminum that they need.

Automotive soon to follow. Trump is making us MASA....Making America a Shithole Again.

[Melon]

1. We need to bring on more cheap reliable power. Nuclear generation etc.

The US used to have a lot of aluminum smelters. We have the raw material, it’s the cheap power that drove that industry to other countries. Bring on better, cheaper energy and the industry can be restarted here. The energy is in competition with the new data centers.

[OAITW r.2.0]

3. Why do we need more aluminum smelting? India is totally capable and cost effective.

Do we want to revisit these pollution rich technologies? Will American's want to work in basic aluminum smelting and primary (extruded) fabrication? Who? Immigrants that aren't welcome? Doesn't make sense.

[Haggard Celine]

4. Trump will probably strike down the child labor laws.

I'm only half kidding.

[CaptainTruth]

10. Why do I think there's only one kind of "labor" Trump wants children to do?

[Melon]

14. Yes. Americans can work in aluminum smelting.

I’ve been in smelters. Those are not low paying jobs. The smelters would run all night using off peak electricity. We mine aluminum. Why would we ship to India, process, and ship all the way around the world again? The US is basic in these materials, we don’t need to send materials to third world countries to manufacture.

India uses Russia and Iranian oil bought at a discount to low prices of global commodities. India is not even a US ally. So you support strengthening Russia?

[OAITW r.2.0]

15. We are not in the top 10 of bauxite producers.

The primary ore in producing aluminum.

[Melon]

16. Because our energy costs have been too high.

We don’t mine what we can’t process.
The US has 4 aluminum smelters left. Decades ago there were 40. This is the US offshoring manufacturing versus keeping the jobs and dollars here. If smelters are built the ore exists in the US to feed them.

[OAITW r.2.0]

18. Who is going to make that investment, though?

Trump's tariffs will be gone when this administration is booted from office. The capital risk in investing in smelters is pretty significant.

[Melon]

19. I don't know why you fight so hard against US investment

Versus sending our money offshore. Smelter jobs pay well. Investment in manufacturing comes after the investment in energy. Being backward integrated into high quality aluminum is a necessity for some home based industries.

[OAITW r.2.0]

20. That is easy. I rep a number of Indian aluminum extruding factories.

We sell to small market US OEM's that have access to product at fair prices. Because, they can't get access to ingot supply from US sources. Factory US smelt contracts are locked up with a few major aluminum manufacturers. Until Trump fucked up these OEM costs by unilaterally imposing 25-35% cost penalties. We haven't yet really felt the impact yet....but we are going to.

[Melon]

22. I get it. I've repped India material as well.

Especially with tariff but even on a national security of supply basis, the US needs more production. I walked away from both India and Chinese products and income after tariffs.

[OAITW r.2.0]

23. I get it. I asked the same questions back in 1985.

When Globalism started to be a thing. While I think we helped make lives a lot better for SE Asians...we didn;t change the autocratic mindset.

[vapor2]

2. Just depressing and making us weak and vulnerable as a country

We are surely a shit hole country with alignment with russia and china. At 70 I wish we could move abroad

[Initech]

5. We need to kick these fascist fucks out of power, whatever it takes.

[Fichefinder]

6. Airplanes are built out of 2024-T6

And lots of it

[OAITW r.2.0]

12. Back, when I had a company - before Trump....

We repped Indian/Chinese Aluminum extruders to US OEMs. We are refocusing on the Canadian industrial growth market.

[AllaN01Bear]

7. not just that market a whole lot of other markets .

[Bev54]

8. Oops, guess they can't complete the Canadian contract for F-35's, guess we have to go with

Sweden's Gripen

[IronLionZion]

9. Russia and China love this plan

[littlemissmartypants]

11. Many have quipped:

"Elect a clown, expect a circus."

I would say the truth is closer to this:

Elect a psychopath, expect destruction.

[OAITW r.2.0]

13. Yeah, I really don't want to think this.

But Trump appears to be our reality. And Republican's don't seem to give a shit.

[BurnDoubt]

17. Genius.

[Borogove]

21. I fear that there won't be much left after three more years of this nonsense.

[biocube]

24. Republicans blaming the "yoonyuns" in 5...4...3..

NM