I May Be Wrong, But I Think It's A Mistake To Bash MTG, Boebert, Mace, And Massie

[gab13by13]

How many Congressional Magats have stood up to Krasnov? 4 in the House, and I'm not sure if Rand Paul counts in the Senate.

These people are tiny cracks in Krasnov's armor who live in Magat districts who can bring unwashed Magats over to our side.

Krasnov just vetoed a bipartisan bill to bring drinking water to Lauren Boebert's district because Boebert voted for the Epstein Bill.

Many people ask how are we going to restore what Krasnov and his billionaire traitors stole from us, I at least have a suggestion. We need to get a significant number of unwashed Magats to join us, doing so will put pressure on Congressional Magats.

MTG, Boebert, Mace, and Massie have done a lot of bad shit, I get it, but bashing them now is a big mistake, is shooting ourselves in the foot.

[Lovie777]

1. No bashing...............

I just do not trust them.

[Callie1979]

3. You dont have to trust them to support them when they're in the right.

John McCain is the reason the ACA wasnt crushed years ago.

[gab13by13]

7. Excellent analogy

[JI7]

15. Right, it's not like we are supporting them for political office

if they want to go after Trump let them do ut. Why do we need to be bothered by it. We don't have to actively support them but no reason to go after them for it either.

[Callie1979]

2. I would tell MTG to her face; I dont agree with many of your positions;

but I FULLY support your fight for these women 100%.
I'd also urge her to see trump for what he is & if eh's got any other "info" we the people should know about, spill it.
I actually wish she wouldve stayed; because she's likely to be replaced by another total asskisser & I think she WOULD have beaten Trumps pick to run against her. She recently held a town hall in her District & it was PACKED. She didnt get booed.

[purr-rat beauty]

35. She's hopping of the ship

And hopping on a train

If she TRULY believed in these victims she NEVER would have tied herself to trump. Hanging at Mar A Lago I guarantee she has seen or heard things that would give her an idea.

[Blues Heron]

4. They can switch parties then, otherwise they are pukes that did one right thing once.

[JI7]

16. But what's wrong with that ? Why do they need to switch parties ? What's wrong with opposing Trump

on some things while still being right wing ?

Would you rather them continue to all be a cult ?

[Blues Heron]

18. It's great, but let's not get carried away here, they are pukes and not to be trusted.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

28. I don't see anyone getting carried away here,

nobody is saying to trust them, but there's also no reason to bash them either, this can only help the Democratic Party in the mid terms and right now, that's what counts.

[Blues Heron]

29. There's every reason bash them continuously for being Nazis, this seems like Stockholm syndrome or something

They are not our friends.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

32. Who here is saying their our friends?

Nobody that I see, but hey, you do you and we'll do us.
Have a Happy New Year.

[Blues Heron]

40. Ok we'll do us and you can do you

[JI7]

48. That's just stupid. This is the both sides mentality.

We aren't talking about supporting or trusting them. But it's stupid to attack them if they are going after Trump.

[Gore1FL]

5. I'm in the bash-away camp.

Nothing we say will influence any of the parties involved or their supporters.

I'm not a fan of either side of this political football game; I'm here to applaud the political injuries inflicted on both teams with each play.

[gab13by13]

8. I think you are wrong,

I live among Magats, I know them. There are many unwashed Magats who are zombies, who are beyond hope, who simply vote against Democrats. There are people who voted Magat who are not zombies, I believe getting these people on our side is the key to throwing out the billionaires.

Right now our strategy is to throw money at the next election (I get 15 texts a day) I love it when I see Ro Khanna, someone who is a frequent guest on Thom Hartmann's show, working with Tom Massie.

4 House Magats had the courage to take Krasnov on and believe me they got death threats for doing so. So let's all join with Krasnov in bashing these 4 people so that number will never grow.

Without the support of those 4 Magats the Epstein scandal is dead, think about that scenario the next time you bash them.

[underpants]

6. Nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd

I agree.

[Walleye]

9. Nancy Mace should apologize to our congresswoman Sarah McBride, whom she treated like shit j

I will never accept her as a serious person if she doesn’t

[MarineCombatEngineer]

10. No bashing here, I applaud them for standing up to Trumpedo,

I still wouldn't vote for them, but I do give credit where credit is due.

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE.

[gab13by13]

11. I mean, St. Paul was once Saul, a murderer.

[MineralMan]

38. So the story goes, anyhow.

Do you believe an angel came down and gave old Saul the word? Really? How long ago was that story written? And by whom? Nobody knows.

Don't be taken in by the likes of MTG. She does not have your best interests as a priority.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

41. I agree that the likes of MTG, Boebert, Massie, etc. don't have our best interests as a priority,

but the saying the enemy of my enemy is my comrade.............for now.

I wouldn't trust them one iota, but going after Trumpedo serves our purpose........for now.

Happy New Year.

[MineralMan]

42. Sure. It's good that she has turned on Trump.

It stops there, though.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

43. Agreed. nt

[gab13by13]

70. I gave money to my only Democratic Rep in Pa. John Fetterman,

the 4 Magats who voted for the Epstein Bill are attacking Krasnov more than my Rep. is who I gave money to.

I totally understand the type of people those 4 people are, I don't need a lecture. What those 4 people did may be the #1 attack on Krasnov for the year 2025. Krasnov took Boebert into the situation room to threaten her to change her vote.

Those 4 people are getting death threats, do you understand why they are getting death threats and from whom? I got death threats when I stood up to powerful people back in the 70's who were endangering our town's water supply. I live in a right wing town but the entire town got behind me, including right wingers, and we protected our water supply. Republicans and Democrats in my small town united over one cause, I lived it, I don't need a lecture.

Were it not for those 4 people the Epstein crisis would be dead and gone.

[JohnnyRingo]

12. Trump took power a year ago with a fresh solid Jenga Tower.

Since then, certain key pieces like MTG have been removed, leaving a swaying monolith that balances precariously close to making a mess on the table for Democrats to clean up. Again

That's how I see it anyway. I hope someone pulls another block soon.

[Irish_Dem]

13. Like the Allies joined with Russia in WWII.

Stalin was an evil rat bastard who could not be trusted.
Churchill hated him so much he couldn't even talk to him
and let FDR handle Stalin.

But Stalin's eastern front is what helped save the world.
And Russia paid a huge price losing so many men.

[SCantiGOP]

45. That's the same analogy

I thought bid when I began reading this thread.
We had a major propaganda effort in 1942 to convince people that the Soviets were now our friends.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

66. I seriously doubt the howler monkey twins are gonna save the world!

[Irish_Dem]

71. Yep at least Stalin helped us win the war.

[ecstatic]

14. Mace is genuinely cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs

I saw some horrific footage of her interacting with constituents on several different occasions. She said "fuck you" to a guy who asked when her next town hall would be.

I haven't seen or heard anything from boebert. I appreciate Massie and MTG standing up to trump. I'm pretty sure they're only standing up because something trump did personally affected them but I'll take it.

[ZDU]

17. Truth telling and facts

... facts alone tell the truth regarding their intentions, their personalities, their loyalties, and their nature as human beings. Are they decent people? Are they respectable humans? Would you invite them into your home? Would you allow them to teach your children? Would you allow them the "pet sit" why you're away?

Enough is enough

[WhiskeyGrinder]

19. "These people are tiny cracks in Krasnov's armor who live in Magat districts who can bring unwashed Magats over to our

side."

You're saying congressional Republicans can inspire Trump voters to vote Democratic? Lol please show your work.

[gab13by13]

21. Have you not been watching the special elections?

Where did the Democratic votes come from in Iowa, in Tennessee, in Virginia?

Why do you think that Democrats have been over-performing in the 2025 elections? It's not just Magats, it's Independents.

I hope you aren't in the camp that all Democrats have to do is throw money at the next election, see, I just got another text.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

24. .

Where did the Democratic votes come from in Iowa, in Tennessee, in Virginia?... It's not just Magats, it's Independents.

It's much more independents than MAGA. Greene, Mace and all the others do not represent a move toward more "reasonable" Republicanism or conservatism. They're simply Trumpism without Trump. We do not need them.

[gab13by13]

36. I am not expecting a Magat movement,

I am saying we can get a "significant number" of Magats to join us. A significant number that is needed may only be 10% to swing elections to us.

Krasnov's Big Ugly Death Bill isn't just going to devastate unwashed Democrats, it is going to devastate unwashed Magats. The worst of the cuts to our social safety net will happen on Dec. 1, 2026.

Do you think that the gutting of Obamacare will only affect Democrats? Krasnov is coming out with a "short term insurance plan" to replace Obamacare. It does not allow for pre-existing conditions, it doesn't cover shit.

Magats can lie about policy but they can't lie about fucking over their base when their base gets fucked. 50,000 Americans are going to die next year because of people losing healthcare, not all those people are Democrats. When Magats' wives can't get treated for cancer, when their children can't get treated, they will turn on Krasnov.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

31. Not necessarily, but they can urge their contituents to sit out the mid terms

which would, in essence, a vote for Democrats.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

67. Have any of them said they were gonna do that?

[Norbert]

20. We needed the Soviet Union to side with us in World War II

It would have been more difficult to defeat Hitler without them. It didn't make us Stalinists by a long shot.

Call them useful idiots but we need Greene, Boebert, Mace and Massie. Dozy Don really thinks Massie is beatable and will be funneling money into his district to primary him with someone even worse. Love for the orange malignancy have a yuge failure with this. I keep watching Greene and hoping she is in some sort of MAGA deprogramming mode.

[Oneironaut]

22. MTG and Nancy Mace want to eradicate all trans people. Nancy Mace uses transphobic slurs repeatedly.

No thanks. I would rather chew glass than support Nazis just because they hate other Nazis.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

68. .

[CentralMass]

23. In 2025, both Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and Lauren Boebert (R-CO) have maintained very high levels of alignment with

President Trump’s legislative agenda, though their political paths have diverged recently due to internal party conflicts.
Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA)Historically one of Trump's most vocal supporters, Greene’s voting record in 2025 remains closely aligned with the administration, though she has recently made headlines for high-profile breaks with the President:
- Voting Alignment: As of September 2025, she was among the House Republicans who voted with Trump’s priorities 100% of the time on major roll-call votes.Recent Conflict: In late 2025, a rift developed over her push for the release of Justice Department files (the Epstein files) and her criticism of certain military actions (such as strikes on Iran) and foreign aid (Ukraine).
- Status: Despite these disagreements and a public rebuke from the President in November 2024, she continues to identify as a "MAGA" stalwart and typically supports the administration's core economic and social policies.

Lauren Boebert (R-CO)Boebert continues to be a reliable vote for the Trump agenda in 2025, often positioning herself as a champion for the administration's "One Big Beautiful Bill" (H.R. 1), which includes key Trump priorities:
- Key Votes: She voted "Yes" on the major 2025 legislative package that made the 2017 Trump tax cuts permanent, funded the border wall, and implemented work requirements for federal benefits.Specific Support: She has actively supported the administration's efforts to dismantle parts of the "administrative state," including voting for rescission packages to defund entities like NPR and PBS and supporting the Anti-CBDC Surveillance State Act.
- Alignment: Her voting record consistently ranks as one of the most conservative in the House, with near-total alignment with the President's stated legislative goals.

Marjorie Taylor Greene
* Trump Voting Score - ~100% (on major 2025 roll calls)
* Major Legislation - Supported Trump tax law & border funding
* Notable Defiance - Defied Trump on Epstein files & Iran strikes
* Caucus Status - Expelled from Freedom Caucus in 2023
Lauren Boebert
Trump Voting Score - ~100% (on major 2025 roll calls)
* Major Legislation - Supported Trump tax law & border funding
* Notable Defiance - Defied Trump on Epstein files
* Caucus Status - Active in Freedom Caucus leadership

[MineralMan]

25. Praising them is an even worse idea.

MTG, for example, is still a raging MAGA conservative. She may have disavowed Trump, but she remains a threat to this country. We must not forget that in our glee at her Trump dumping.

[womanofthehills]

49. I love watching them call out Trump we 6e

However - no one mentioned Candace and Tucker who have two of the top podcasts in the world. Both are now huge advocates against the genocide. Candace is done with Trump and her audience does not trust the FBI or KashPatel. Tucker is weird but he’s one of the most vocal anti genocide reporters in US. Two of the world’s top podcasters are hating Trump’s Epstein and Israeli policies.

The hate coming from Trump onto Massie only seems to make many Republicans like Massie more. Trump just called Massie a “lowlife Republican “ & then Massie used this to fundraiser.

Dave Smith - top podcaster - Libertarian who voted for Trump calls the a huge loser.

At least - many Republicans & Libertarians are finally hating Trump - better late than never Enjoying the hate Trump is receiving on Republican podcasts.

Most cable news dhow

[MustLoveBeagles]

26. They're causing headaches for

Mike Johnson & TSF that's what matters to me. I believe Massie is doing this based on principle. The same for MTG although she has aways to go to to prove to me that she's truly changed. A public apology to David Hogg would be a good start. Boebert hasn't changed but she's right on the Epstein issue. So is Mace but from what I've seen on DU she's not always right in the head.

[aocommunalpunch]

27. Let them fight it out.

I’ll happily pick up the pieces, and I don’t have to change my views one iota. Fuck republicans.

[yardwork]

30. I think you're wrong and here's why:

Right now, the entire Republican Party is an enemy to American and global democracy.

You don't help your enemy when they're self-destructing.

In pockets around the U.S. some Republican politicians are feeling the justified heat from constituents who are noticing that Trump's campaign promises aren't coming true.

This heat is an essential part of democracy reasserting itself. If we want to win this war and save our democracy, we need to defeat Republicans and replace them with Democrats.

MTG is clearly pitching herself for higher office. I don't want her to succeed. Do you want her to replace one of the current Democratic senators in Georgia? I don't. I want her to retire to oblivion.

Same with Massie. Do you want him to replace Mitch McConnell in the senate? I don't. I'm hoping Kentuckians elect a Democrat instead.

Same with Nancy Mace. She's crazy and evil, I'm not going to help her. Lauren Boebert? Please.

This idea that "if we're nice to them they'll be nice back" is wrong wrong wrong. These evil doers want to get elected to even higher offices. Don't help them.

[purr-rat beauty]

33. Mmmm...their damage is Done

No forgiveness, no trust from me

They should disappear from the political stage forever.

Boebert and MTG pretend to be righteous christians but are pigs

[Rebl2]

34. I don't

trust any of them, period.

[gab13by13]

37. All of you people who disagree with me,

god forbid if you are in a car wreck, stuck in the car, bleeding out, and Mace, Massie, MTG, and Boebert come upon your wreck and they ask you if you want them to call 911 you better say no, I'm fine without you.

[MineralMan]

39. Oh, my!

What are the odds of that happening, do you suppose? And what makes you think they'd stop in the first place?

Why on Earth do you trust them in any way? And distrust the AG who prosecuted and jailed all those January 6 thugs that Trump pardoned in 2025?

You're not being consistent at all. You feeling OK?

[purr-rat beauty]

54. I will have a phone on me

And if they're real Christians they wouldn't ask my permission

I'm living the reality they helped create, not gonna fantasize about them being heroic.

[marble falls]

60. If that's all it takes for them to turn on me, fuck them. Their support for us is piss poor or nonexistent. ...

... if they can turn on a dime, we really don't need them, particularly since their animus is towards TACO, not towards a MAGA/GOP Congress.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

65. A decent person would just call 911! Not stupidly ask, "Hey, you're half dead, need some help?"

A MAGAt would probably scream at my dying body for making them late.

[ConstanceCee]

44. I'm Not

I'm not going to donate time or money to them, but neither am I going to bash them for anything decent they do just because they might change back.

[meadowlander]

46. I've always said "When your enemy is agreeing with you STFU and let them."

I don't understand this compulsion, every time a Republican behaves in a positive way, for DUers to trot out the list of every bad thing they've ever done in their life.

Yes, they're a bad person who has done bad things. We all know this. But we need to create incentives for them to do what we want them to do. That's how we persuade people and turn this train wreck around. Positive reinforcement works at least 20 times as well for learning as negative reinforcement. And we can't do that if every time a Republican pops their head above the surface and does something brave speaking out against their team, we then pile on to remind them of what a piece of shit they are otherwise.

Noting that MTG is right for once and agrees with me doesn't mean I'm endorsing her entire worldview or excusing the terrible shit she has done in the past. It just means that on this one thing she's showing promise of coming around to the right opinion. We have to be able to let people do that or they will keep digging in. Save the pile on for the issues and opinions where they are still wrong.

[WarGamer]

47. Here we go again... like when RWNJ Liz Cheney became a hero.

All of these people suck... and resistance to Trump doesn't make them admirable.

Look at their voting records and statements.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

50. Nobody here are claiming their heroes,

far from it, but they are causing Trumpedo headaches by calling out his and Mikey Moses for their bullshit, which only benefits the Democrats.

I wouldn't trust them, I wouldn't vote for them, but for now, the enemy of my enemy is my comrade............for now.
Happy New Year.

[Kaleva]

58. I 100% agree

[Kaleva]

57. How is not bashing someone the same as proclaiming them to be a hero?

[Quiet Em]

51. These are awful people

and standing up to the con artist is the very least any person could do.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

53. They are awful people,

but standing up to Trumpedo only helps Democrats, and I'll take all the help we can get.

[Quiet Em]

55. I agree that the infighting among the MAGA cult can benefit Democrats

But I won't be giving these awful people a cookie for doing the bare minimum of what decent people are already doing and have been doing. All of these awful people are still ok with at least 90% of what the con artist has done and all of them will continue to vote for awful people who will continue the MAGA con artist agenda.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

61. Agreed and a Happy New Year.

[Quiet Em]

63. Happy New Year to you as well.

[some_of_us_are_sane]

52. I may be an optimist

but i see these defections from the REPUGNANT party in the same way I'd view rats escaping a ship...............the early sign that THE PARTY IS SINKING!

[usonian]

56. Everyone, please concentrate on a positive program and actions to smash the Party of Pedo Protectors

I have posted some action items. I'll update in 2026

https://www.democraticunderground.com/13244015
A grassroots revolution is needed for the party to win.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/13243807
The fascists have a playbook. Do we?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10114421
An open letter to Democratic leaders. This is our Normandy. Marshall all our forces or lose to fascist rule.

I will continue to post action items.

Words? You want to argue and bash people? HIRE A CHATBOT.
ACTIONS COUNT.



Don't forget this for one f---ing minute!

[Timewas]

59. An old saying

"Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" Take what we can get but be aware of the past.

[Hope22]

62. She co-drove the bus that took us to this #ell!

She made millions while in office. I’m good with holding her responsible. I remember rude comments hurled at the President of the United States during the SOTU! She has trained millions of ignorant Americans to disrespect everything about this country. What will she do to undo the damage?

[MorbidButterflyTat]

64. Who's bashing?

Their actions speak for them. I haven't forgotten their traitorous BS. That is not bashing; it's the truth.

Why do you keep saying "unwashed MAGAts"? What's that mean?

[Cirsium]

69. What is the consequence?

What could be the potential negative consequences from bashing MTG, Boebert, Mace, and Massie? They aren't going to be bringing MAGA cultists over to our side. They are leaving Trump, to the extent that they are, in the hope of strengthening and advancing the right wing agenda.

I think we are already too forgiving, already too accommodating, already too compromising.