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Sen. Andy Kim responds to Venezuela attack: (Original Post) Tanuki Saturday OP
I do believe in a country of laws, lying to Congress is a crime. sinkingfeeling Saturday #1
Don't hold your breath COL Mustard Saturday #9
You are correct. Alliepoo Saturday #39
Oh, there will be accountability eventually. johnnyfins Saturday #51
I am honestly perplexed by trump's Venezuelan obsession Raven123 Saturday #2
Epstein, Jack Smith and Oil Easterncedar Saturday #4
Ding ding malaise Saturday #20
Epstein, Epstein and Epstein. In that order. This next dump must be a lulu. marble falls Saturday #26
Putin changed his reasons for invading Ukraine many times yaesu Saturday #6
looting comes to mind.... FarPoint Saturday #7
It's called "Sweet Crude" because of how easy it is to crack. The US used to be the major buyer of it ... marble falls Saturday #29
Reason? NJCher Saturday #10
I have thought of that. The most frightening explanation and very possible Raven123 Saturday #11
So it's their reason NJCher Saturday #14
This video, just posted NJCher Saturday #16
Yeah, on the video, djt says the oil's "like tar." But we were buying it, anyway. Believe I've allegorical oracle Saturday #23
Do the search NJCher Saturday #24
Sorry, MarcoZandrini Sunday #70
oh, please! NJCher Sunday #71
I also should have added NJCher 21 hrs ago #73
"others made that decision" and the Orangeshitgibbon was led to believe he made it. BINGO! marble falls Saturday #30
Yikes. Maybe that's why they are waiting so long for the presser Raven123 Saturday #48
He's still on the Aderal hangover from New Years, and even less coherant than usual. They gave him a tryout on Fox ... marble falls Saturday #49
Piggy up to speed? MorbidButterflyTat Saturday #62
By the seat k55f5r Saturday #41
Actually, Cher, COL Mustard Saturday #44
Big Oil gave Der orange Fuhrer millions of $$$$$$$$ KS Toronado Saturday #13
The oil companis do not want the headache of foriegn oil fields. They do not care how expensive foreign oil is ... marble falls Saturday #31
The oil companies want no part of Venezuela at this point Wiz Imp Saturday #35
Post removed Post removed Saturday #27
With all due respect and sympathy: nobody holds him down and doses him. The way we "fight" drugs has ... marble falls Saturday #34
What does that have to do with Venezuela? Wiz Imp Saturday #38
Fair question. marble falls Saturday #45
True, but there are times when overwhelm takes over and rules the day. calimary Saturday #57
More great questions! No doubt: we are running at peak overwhelm. marble falls Saturday #67
I don't care if drug traffickers are big or small at140 Saturday #64
Again, what does that have to do with the original post you responded to which was about Andy Kim calling out Wiz Imp Saturday #68
Getting the US on war footing to justify emergency power MadLinguist Saturday #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Rebl2 Saturday #33
I agree PatSeg Saturday #37
If I were Denmark, which obviously I'm not.... COL Mustard Saturday #43
Ha, ha, not quite Dr. Seuss! PatSeg Saturday #56
I read it, too NJCher Saturday #60
Greenland should be paying attention Alliepoo Saturday #40
I'm not saying this had anything to do with it, but I'm not saying it didn't have anything to do with it: COL Mustard Saturday #42
Too soon? marble falls Saturday #46
It's a satire post from September. COL Mustard Saturday #58
I love outrageous comments. I thought that one was a crack up! marble falls Saturday #66
They don't spare anyone. COL Mustard Saturday #69
When Venezuela nationalized their oil industry, Chevron and other oil industries lost money. Lonestarblue Saturday #55
Now that I saw his presser, it looks like you are correct Raven123 Saturday #63
Trump Resorts along the Carribean? Retrograde Saturday #61
I'd assumed it was the same reason as much of the Middle Eastern obsession. LeftishBrit Saturday #65
Congressional Republicans have completely abandoned... BH liberal Saturday #3
This is the regressives mess superpatriotman Saturday #5
Then it will not be cleaned up. marble falls Saturday #47
K&R UTUSN Saturday #8
"Constitutional approval? constitutional approval? oasis Saturday #12
Oil! liberalgunwilltravel Saturday #15
Excellent response malaise Saturday #17
I wish they would also post on Bluesky. mdbl Saturday #18
He does. littlemissmartypants Saturday #54
Thank you. mdbl Saturday #59
Thanks for this malaise Saturday #19
Iraq 2.0. Ocelot II Saturday #21
Impeachment time. BradBo Saturday #22
Kick dalton99a Saturday #25
More of this JustAnotherGen Saturday #32
I think reason #1 is the oil and paybacks to the "oil-igarchy" campaign donors who undoubtedly are funneling millions to LaMouffette Saturday #36
Reason #1 is Epstein Seinan Sensei Saturday #52
Wow. I was so upset over the Venezuela situation, I left out my #2 reason altogether, which was Epstein! But you are LaMouffette Yesterday #72
"no new wars" orleans Saturday #50
Impeach the fucker. We're the ones who need regime change. Martin68 Saturday #53

Alliepoo

(2,768 posts)
39. You are correct.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:46 AM
Saturday

Congressional Republicans make clear every single dang day that they support Donvict and are willing to go along with whatever he desires. Also the military has now made clear that they will follow any illegal order that he gives.

johnnyfins

(3,432 posts)
51. Oh, there will be accountability eventually.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 11:51 AM
Saturday

The majority of people in the US dont believe or support this clown's bullshit and that number is growing everyday.

And he knows it.

Raven123

(7,529 posts)
2. I am honestly perplexed by trump's Venezuelan obsession
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:53 AM
Saturday

I have heard a lot of explanations, and one or more may be correct, but I honestly still don’t get it. My suspicion is the that true and /or complete reason has not been fully fleshed out.

yaesu

(8,960 posts)
6. Putin changed his reasons for invading Ukraine many times
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:19 AM
Saturday

Russia's agent orange is just following his puppet master daddy.

FarPoint

(14,546 posts)
7. looting comes to mind....
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:25 AM
Saturday

The oil is of a different grade I understand...we don't have the refineries to process this.....but/ the country has much more to offer and looting is my guess.

marble falls

(71,019 posts)
29. It's called "Sweet Crude" because of how easy it is to crack. The US used to be the major buyer of it ...
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:49 AM
Saturday

... back when we were the biggest importer of oil in the world.

Now we are the biggest exporter of oil in the world (#1 producer - we produce 2/3rds the amount of oil that #2 Saudi and #3 Russia put together) We just do not need Venezuelan oil. We are still the world's largest or second larger user (after China) of oil.

NJCher

(42,456 posts)
10. Reason?
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:41 AM
Saturday


“Reason” and “trump” do not belong in the same sentence.

This guy flies by the seat of his pants.

Raven123

(7,529 posts)
11. I have thought of that. The most frightening explanation and very possible
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:49 AM
Saturday

The counter in my mind is that trump isn’t running the country, which means others made that decision.

NJCher

(42,456 posts)
14. So it's their reason
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:57 AM
Saturday

That you’re talking about.

That’s a very reasonable point, but I have heard this morning that their oil is not easily refined by our system. I’d like to find out more about that.

NJCher

(42,456 posts)
16. This video, just posted
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:14 AM
Saturday

Has some relevant points.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&post&forum=1322&pid=101372

Trump claims their oil is of poor quality, among other tangential issues.

On edit:

Confirmed it is of poor quality.

Search “Venezuelan oil quality.”

allegorical oracle

(6,168 posts)
23. Yeah, on the video, djt says the oil's "like tar." But we were buying it, anyway. Believe I've
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:23 AM
Saturday

read that its actually high-quality oil.

MarcoZandrini

(152 posts)
70. Sorry,
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:50 AM
Sunday

Brent crude is the best. The next best is west Texas intermediate. Saudi oil is similar to Venezuelan oil.

NJCher

(42,456 posts)
71. oh, please!
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:32 AM
Sunday

Never apologize to me. I'm not afraid to be wrong, if I am. However, your remark is vague, so I'd like to pin it down. Are you referring to the Brent crude prior to '21 or the mixture that came afterwards?

If it's the latter, your comment goes into the apples/oranges stack, which needs an intro paragraph saying that you're changing the topic slightly. We're talking about countries. Among the many cues is post 29.

Kinda' like parallels in sentence structure, if you know what I mean.

Thanks for your contribution!

NJCher

(42,456 posts)
73. I also should have added
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 11:43 PM
21 hrs ago
Saudi oil is similar to Venezuelan oil.

Not at all; not in the least similar.

Where are you getting this information? Source?

Saudi oil is at the top in terms of a desirable oil. That is why they export so much and one reason Venezuela does not.

marble falls

(71,019 posts)
30. "others made that decision" and the Orangeshitgibbon was led to believe he made it. BINGO!
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:52 AM
Saturday

Raven123

(7,529 posts)
48. Yikes. Maybe that's why they are waiting so long for the presser
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 11:35 AM
Saturday

Gotta get trump up to speed. Jeepers frapping crispies.

marble falls

(71,019 posts)
49. He's still on the Aderal hangover from New Years, and even less coherant than usual. They gave him a tryout on Fox ...
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 11:40 AM
Saturday

... this morning and he was blathering, even brought Joe Biden into it. He sounded like he was repeating what he was told when woken up clueless about this travesty.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,179 posts)
62. Piggy up to speed?
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 01:53 PM
Saturday

Is he ever? He'll just start babbling about his perfect health, his ability to name three animals, and his super gigantic crowds!

KS Toronado

(23,055 posts)
13. Big Oil gave Der orange Fuhrer millions of $$$$$$$$
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:52 AM
Saturday

They wanted something in return, give us back "our" oil fields Venezuela "stole" from us.

marble falls

(71,019 posts)
31. The oil companis do not want the headache of foriegn oil fields. They do not care how expensive foreign oil is ...
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:59 AM
Saturday

... when it goes up the US as the largest oil producer gives itself a raise. When it gets too high, we lower our prices to sell more. When it gets too lower, we either drop our production or buy cheap foreign oil.

When was the last time OPEC was in the news? OPEC over played its hand and all of a sudden the US became the largest exporter of oil. OPEC shenanigans gave us fracking. The real money in petroleum is in the refining of it. A tree is worth a lot more as 2x4s than as firewood.

Wiz Imp

(8,915 posts)
35. The oil companies want no part of Venezuela at this point
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:09 AM
Saturday

It would currently be impossible for them to make a profit there.

Response to Raven123 (Reply #2)

marble falls

(71,019 posts)
34. With all due respect and sympathy: nobody holds him down and doses him. The way we "fight" drugs has ...
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:09 AM
Saturday

... them so expensive, so full of adulterant, and gives high paying jobs to gun-toting criminal suppliers. It's not the supplies, it's the demand and our head up our ass drug policies.

I am so sorry to hear about your nephew. It is a crying shame. I just cannot imagine the pain and suffering this has caused your family.

The irony is he is now being prescribed some of those same drugs that he was buying on the streets.

It is a crying shame and a curse.

Wiz Imp

(8,915 posts)
38. What does that have to do with Venezuela?
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:18 AM
Saturday

Very little of the illegal drugs originate in Venezuela. A larger amount ARE transported through Venezuela, but they are not the source of the drugs. And very little of the drugs that pass through Venezuela end up in the US. Most end up in europe.

https://www.kcra.com/article/venezuela-drug-trafficking-cocaine-fentanyl/69676930
Get the Facts: Is Venezuela a primary drug trafficker to the United States?
The Trump administration has set its sights on Venezuela in its latest campaign against illegal drugs, but data shows that the country is responsible for just a sliver of drug trafficking directly to the United States.

The Get the Facts Data Team analyzed data on cocaine and fentanyl trafficking. While Venezuela is a player in cocaine manufacturing and trafficking, drug seizure data shows that it's not as prominent a supplier of cocaine to the U.S. as other South American and Latin American countries.

There is also no evidence that any significant level of illegal fentanyl — the primary killer in U.S. overdose deaths — is produced in South America, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC).

Most illegal fentanyl enters the U.S. from Mexico, per UNODC and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. Illicit fentanyl can also be diverted, or stolen, from legal sources as medical professionals use the drug.

calimary

(89,031 posts)
57. True, but there are times when overwhelm takes over and rules the day.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 12:41 PM
Saturday

The main question is: how long does this last?

And I truly, genuinely, honestly, and seriously want to know.
Has overwhelm formally taken over? Taken us all by the throat?

And it has to be faced: how permanently have we been disabled?

Are we all either asleep or strategically paralyzed? How far have the manipulation and mind control been allowed to go? And realistically, is there ANY meaningful pushback? I’m finding all off this not only truly insane, but also terrifying.

at140

(6,207 posts)
64. I don't care if drug traffickers are big or small
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 02:05 PM
Saturday

I have a personal tragedy in family from illicit drug traffic. I have only contempt for each and every drug trafficker no matter from where or which country.

Wiz Imp

(8,915 posts)
68. Again, what does that have to do with the original post you responded to which was about Andy Kim calling out
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 03:08 PM
Saturday

Rubio and Hegseth for lying to Congress? And if you think Trump's meddling in Venezuela has anything remotely to do with drugs, then I have a boatload of bridges to sell you.

MadLinguist

(901 posts)
28. Getting the US on war footing to justify emergency power
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:42 AM
Saturday

for mass deportation operations is one motivation. So far he's been losing in court. Venezuela's looking weak and inviting. Multiple motivations are likely.

Response to Raven123 (Reply #2)

PatSeg

(52,129 posts)
37. I agree
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:12 AM
Saturday

This obsession never made sense to me. The same with Greenland. Being it is Trump, I thought it might be just mindless saber-rattling as a show of strength. I know it is a convenient distraction for Trump, but it feels like there is something more to it. Maybe Putin whispering in his ear?

COL Mustard

(7,984 posts)
43. If I were Denmark, which obviously I'm not....
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 11:16 AM
Saturday

I would be putting my military on heightened alert posture near Greenland.

This begs the question: if a NATO country attacks another NATO country and the attacked country invokes Article 5 of the NATO Treaty, which side does the rest of NATO join in on?

Also, how many times can I use "NATO" in one sentence? Feel free to grade my homework.

PatSeg

(52,129 posts)
56. Ha, ha, not quite Dr. Seuss!
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 12:39 PM
Saturday

I believe I read that Denmark has put their military on heightened alert in Greenland.

I've sworn at my computer several times already this morning. I really, really hate this monster.

Alliepoo

(2,768 posts)
40. Greenland should be paying attention
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:48 AM
Saturday

And preparing for what Donvict might do next. He has already signaled his intentions although I don’t think he was taken very seriously. He should be, imo.

COL Mustard

(7,984 posts)
69. They don't spare anyone.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 03:20 PM
Saturday

You ought to read their comments about Hegseth, for one. Things like he showed up for the Army-Navy game in full pads; he's so patriotic he keeps a constant BAC of .1776; the fog of war caused him to wrap his car around a telephone pole...good stuff and well written...obviously under pen names.

Lonestarblue

(13,223 posts)
55. When Venezuela nationalized their oil industry, Chevron and other oil industries lost money.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 12:32 PM
Saturday

Trump asked oil billionaires to give him a billion dollars for his campaign. His payback is to hand them Venezuela’s oil resources, and Venezuela will receive pennies while they earn billions. Trump will probably be paid a cut under the table.

In addition, Venezuela has some rare earths that can be exploited to reduce US reliance on China.

Retrograde

(11,375 posts)
61. Trump Resorts along the Carribean?
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 01:47 PM
Saturday

Or he knows he’s not long for this planet and wants to go out with a literal bang?

Or Hegseth wants to play GI Joe with real soldiers. No one in this administration seems in touch with reality

LeftishBrit

(41,445 posts)
65. I'd assumed it was the same reason as much of the Middle Eastern obsession.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 02:47 PM
Saturday

Three letters: O.I.L.

Whatever the reason, it's all bloody terrifying!

BH liberal

(121 posts)
3. Congressional Republicans have completely abandoned...
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:02 AM
Saturday

any pretext of being our federal legislative body that is supposed to check the executive branch. Trump has been given the reins of government on a golden platter. He is now the dictator that our founding fathers feared would someday be put in place by a wealthy elite with the wherewithal to buy governmental leadership.

oasis

(53,344 posts)
12. "Constitutional approval? constitutional approval?
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:50 AM
Saturday

we don’t need to show you no constitutional approval” says bandito Trump.

liberalgunwilltravel

(1,078 posts)
15. Oil!
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:04 AM
Saturday

This cluster fuck is all about the oil and payback to the oil companies’ executives that funded Trump’s campaign. It also provides the potential means to manipulate gas prices to give the scum bag republicans a chance in the midterms.

Another important consideration besides just the oil, Venezuela has the second largest refining capacity in the world. Limited refining capacity has frequently been used as an excuse to the reason why even when oil is cheap, gas is not. Additional refining capacity has the potential for the kinds of price manipulation I was suggesting above.

mdbl

(8,107 posts)
18. I wish they would also post on Bluesky.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:17 AM
Saturday

All twatter exchanges on my browser are blocked.

littlemissmartypants

(31,616 posts)
54. He does.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 12:27 PM
Saturday

Secretaries Rubio and Hegseth looked every Senator in the eye a few weeks ago and said this wasn’t about regime change. I didn’t trust them then and we see now that they blatantly lied to Congress.

Secretaries Rubio and Hegseth looked every Senator in the eye a few weeks ago and said this wasn’t about regime change. I didn’t trust them then and we see now that they blatantly lied to Congress.

Senator Andy Kim (@kim.senate.gov) 2026-01-03T10:37:29.506Z

LaMouffette

(2,566 posts)
36. I think reason #1 is the oil and paybacks to the "oil-igarchy" campaign donors who undoubtedly are funneling millions to
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:12 AM
Saturday

the Trump crime family. Speaking of the oil-igarchy, how does this attack on Venezuela benefit Saudi Arabia? If they benefit, then this is also a payback to the Saudis for Kushner's $2 billion-dollar gift.

Reason #3: Trump is a cruel and vindictive and utterly soulless monster,who thinks bombing countries makes him one of the cool kids, like his idol Putin, whom he craves to impress.

Seinan Sensei

(1,357 posts)
52. Reason #1 is Epstein
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 12:09 PM
Saturday

My opinion
There are plenty of payoffs that Clownface and his circus anticipate.
But reason number one is getting Epstein Files out of the headlines.

LaMouffette

(2,566 posts)
72. Wow. I was so upset over the Venezuela situation, I left out my #2 reason altogether, which was Epstein! But you are
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 07:11 AM
Yesterday

right: Epstein is the #1 reason.

What I can't believe is that Pam Bondi and President Rump haven't found a way to lose or destroy all of the Epstein files. Doesn't the basement at Mar-a-Lago ever flood anymore? Are they waiting for another Rump family member to fall down some stairs and die so they can bury the files on one of Rump's golf courses again (just speculation on my part about dearly departed Ivanna Rump's burial at the golf course).

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