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bigtree

(93,358 posts)
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 02:04 PM Yesterday

Sen. Warren: I just left the Venezuela briefing. It's worse than you thought.

Elizabeth Warren @SenWarren
I just left the Venezuela briefing.

It's worse than you thought.

Oil company executives seem to know more about Trump's secret plan to "run" Venezuela than the American people.

We need public Senate hearings NOW.


Elizabeth Warren @SenWarren
President Trump’s unilateral military action to attack another country and seize Maduro — no matter how terrible a dictator he is — is unconstitutional and threatens to drag the U.S. into further conflicts in the region. What does it mean that the U.S. will ‘run’ Venezuela, and what will Trump do next around the world? The American people voted for lower costs, not for Trump’s dangerous military adventurism overseas that won’t make the American people safer.

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Sen. Warren: I just left the Venezuela briefing. It's worse than you thought. (Original Post) bigtree Yesterday OP
... applegrove Yesterday #1
Absolutely Spot-on! He Seems to Believe He Already is a Fully-empowered Despot (or "King,"!!) The Roux Comes First Yesterday #2
Yes creon Yesterday #16
Will he instal a relative of the Shah? multigraincracker Yesterday #3
The Shah's son is being prepped for return to Iran Easterncedar Yesterday #5
insanity crud Yesterday #4
Our country is in deep, deep trouble Grim Chieftain Yesterday #6
EVERYTHING with Trump is transactional. SergeStorms Yesterday #7
For months the oil companies vapor2 4 hrs ago #37
We'll pay in both blood and treasure. SergeStorms 3 hrs ago #39
Of course the oil companies knew and the rare earth mineral companies knew Clouds Passing Yesterday #8
Sounds a lot like popsdenver 22 hrs ago #21
Oil companies are terrorists, just look at the koch family and their deadly shenanigans Clouds Passing 22 hrs ago #22
Oh yeah, Koch brothers and the U.S. of A. turning to Stalinism... IthinkThereforeIAM 19 hrs ago #26
I suspect that sometime popsdenver 18 hrs ago #32
Strongly suspect Kochs set up Herit Found to help ruskes take over u.s. Clouds Passing 7 hrs ago #35
Don Jr $600+ million loan... IthinkThereforeIAM 19 hrs ago #25
I've been watching the MAGA base reaction to this Ohioboy Yesterday #9
The American people need to organize and drive the Trump administration out of office. hadEnuf Yesterday #10
We ARE in deep shit here. BurnDoubt Yesterday #11
Good. Also, please use the phrase 'turn of the century colonialism, imperialism, and exploitation'. nt wiggs Yesterday #12
JP Morgan knows a hell of lot more than the Senate knows also.. LiberalArkie Yesterday #13
No surprised there... Fil1957 Yesterday #14
Who else thinks that it was this nonsense bringing in private oil interests into public negotitaions Baitball Blogger Yesterday #15
We are moving toward armed conflict, both with our neighbors, and allies, and also with the American Public. patphil Yesterday #17
I know someone who works in the oil industry Puppyjive Yesterday #18
Everything I've read//heard has gotten worse and worse Warpy Yesterday #19
I agree with most of what you said, but I will make two points: Ol Janx Spirit 19 hrs ago #24
Good point about nations trying to be friends with Russia Warpy 19 hrs ago #27
Trumpist bought Citgo a few months ago Strelnikov_ 18 hrs ago #28
Yep. And it's a huge surprise isn't it? /s Ol Janx Spirit 18 hrs ago #30
I wonder if Manduro will be Figarosmom Yesterday #20
Play the Twilight zone music . . . Aussie105 20 hrs ago #23
Republican excrement... GiqueCee 18 hrs ago #29
Working link: Celerity 18 hrs ago #31
Trump woke up one night . . . Aussie105 18 hrs ago #33
K&R ReRe 9 hrs ago #34
Trump should be impeached ASAP. Republicans need to wake up. Martin68 6 hrs ago #36
Call them and leave a message vapor2 4 hrs ago #38

The Roux Comes First

(2,154 posts)
2. Absolutely Spot-on! He Seems to Believe He Already is a Fully-empowered Despot (or "King,"!!)
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 02:15 PM
Yesterday

I have a ravening appetite for some serious checks-and-balances.

Grim Chieftain

(1,240 posts)
6. Our country is in deep, deep trouble
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 03:13 PM
Yesterday

This cannot go on. Apparently, there are no sane, ethical Republicans left who will step up to this fetid felon who is destroying our once great country.

SergeStorms

(19,960 posts)
7. EVERYTHING with Trump is transactional.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 03:16 PM
Yesterday

Follow the money, if at all possible. This undoubtedly benefits Trump financially, and the petroleum industry has always been steadfast behind him.

SergeStorms

(19,960 posts)
39. We'll pay in both blood and treasure.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:43 PM
3 hrs ago

People in our country can't afford food, shelter, or healthcare, and this jackass is going to "rebuild" Venezuela?

Clouds Passing

(6,997 posts)
8. Of course the oil companies knew and the rare earth mineral companies knew
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 03:21 PM
Yesterday

Of which DonJr is a partner of one of these companies, surprise! surprise!

popsdenver

(1,558 posts)
21. Sounds a lot like
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 07:33 PM
22 hrs ago

when Cheney sat down with oil companies, when his and Rumsfeld's phony war attack ended......and those oil companies, divided it up between six U.S. Oil companies......

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,279 posts)
26. Oh yeah, Koch brothers and the U.S. of A. turning to Stalinism...
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:12 PM
19 hrs ago

Last edited Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:21 AM - Edit history (1)

... their daddy was one of Stalin's best friends, stole another company's patent for refining crude and ran to the U.S.S.R. and set up oil refineries for Stalin.

I have been on to that for over 20 years.

popsdenver

(1,558 posts)
32. I suspect that sometime
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 11:27 PM
18 hrs ago

in the future, the United States of America, will be re-named: The Corporate States of America..............

The U.S. Corporations have all the best Politicians money can buy, and Citizens United clinched their domination.....

The lower 99% will be serfs and peasants.........

It will be the Gilded Age all over again, just with a new group of Robber Barrons.........

Ohioboy

(3,872 posts)
9. I've been watching the MAGA base reaction to this
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 03:33 PM
Yesterday

It sickens me that this illegal action against Venezuela seems to be popular with the Orange Stain's base.

hadEnuf

(3,525 posts)
10. The American people need to organize and drive the Trump administration out of office.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 03:33 PM
Yesterday

Enough is enough. He is an evil criminal and he needs to GO.

BurnDoubt

(1,472 posts)
11. We ARE in deep shit here.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 03:44 PM
Yesterday

We’ve lost whatever respect and credibility we ever had.
Clearly we have decided we would rather rule over rubble than get along.
"Union of Sociopathic Shithead Republic... for your consideration… here, in the Twilight Zone”.

wiggs

(8,681 posts)
12. Good. Also, please use the phrase 'turn of the century colonialism, imperialism, and exploitation'. nt
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 03:46 PM
Yesterday

Baitball Blogger

(51,728 posts)
15. Who else thinks that it was this nonsense bringing in private oil interests into public negotitaions
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 04:16 PM
Yesterday

that caused 9/11?

patphil

(8,730 posts)
17. We are moving toward armed conflict, both with our neighbors, and allies, and also with the American Public.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 04:57 PM
Yesterday

The Trump government is totally lawless, and deliberately provoking situation after situation toward violence.
2026 looks to be a very dangerous year for Humanity.

Puppyjive

(917 posts)
18. I know someone who works in the oil industry
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 05:04 PM
Yesterday

They are all getting laid off. He works on oil rigs in Wyoming. Appears Trump's plan may have lowered gas prices, but it was detrimental to the workers. I think a lot of those guys are Trumpets and I know one who might be rethinking his position .

Warpy

(114,387 posts)
19. Everything I've read//heard has gotten worse and worse
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 05:45 PM
Yesterday

Plus I have no idea what Maduro is going to be charged with besides Fatso saying he doesn't like the guy. Getting into office via a crooked election (which he did) is more of an internal matter. If they want to pin the drug kingpin title on him, they're going to have an uphill battle because apparently his role was just looking the other way. Cozying up to Russia isn't an international crime, although it's pretty stupid, considering what shape Russia is in, not that it started out that great. See: Russian air defenses vs. US tech, it was no contest at all.

The political situation between the US and Venezuela has not been helped, although there were some street demos there cheering the ouster of Maduro. His VP is not going to be our friend, she seems to be even more of a hard liner than he was. Fatso's threats that the US will form a kunta down there are not playing well. Somebody needs to staple his mouth shut. The raid gained us nothing but a man we can't charge plus a worse enemy in Venezuela.

Fatso probably thinks she's going to obey his orders because she's only a woman. Sigh.

The death toll in Venezuela was also higher than they wanted to admit to. I don't know about the crews at the air defenses or maybe workers at the power plant up in the hills, but I have read that US forces wounded or killed nearly every guard in or near the presidential residence, from bodyguards to army guys guarding the perimeter. That's another reason Venezuela is not going to be amenable to being occupied by the US, too many funerals.

I can't see what this has gained the US beyond giving Russia and China a scary demonstration of US capabilities, at least while the high tech lasts, not long in a big war.

ETA: And their oil? It's high sulfur goo that our refineries don't handle, so it will end up in China or India, like it was going to do before the raid.

Ol Janx Spirit

(717 posts)
24. I agree with most of what you said, but I will make two points:
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:09 PM
19 hrs ago

First, the oil that comes from Venezuela is exactly what many Gulf Coast refineries were built to refine. This is possibly the main reason for targeting Venezuelan oil to begin with. Campaign promises to oil companies must be fulfilled--not so much to the American people.

"Venezuelan oil is particularly dense and sticky. The high-sulphur crude more closely resembles a semi-solid tar than the far clearer liquids produced in US shale heartlands, making it more difficult to extract and process into gasoline, diesel, jet fuel and feedstock for the chemicals industry. But it is exactly what many refineries in the US were built to treat."
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2026/jan/05/venezuelan-crude-oil-appeals-to-us-refineries

Second, it seems highly likely that the VP of Venezuela--Delcy Rodríguez--was in on the ousting of Maduro. It explains a lot: how did the U.S. have such great intelligence on Maduro's residence; why did the U.S. not immediately back the true winners of the election that Maduro stole? Who in Venezuela at this point has gained the most from the U.S. raid? Why would you leave the rest of the regime in power?

They aren't looking for a friend in Venezuela. They would have to treat a friend much better than a beholden enemy.

My $.02....

Warpy

(114,387 posts)
27. Good point about nations trying to be friends with Russia
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:39 PM
19 hrs ago

Like Fatso, they have assets or enemies, nothing better and nothing else.

Interesting about Rodriguez. I wouldn't be at all surprised at one of her backers having given intelligence to US operatives but only because Maduro was giving a good impression of a terrified man who was about to crack. She seems like a tough cookie and a more competent administrator.

As for your description of their oil, it's spot on. I was going to call it "bunker oil," but it's not that good.

Thanks for a great reply.

Strelnikov_

(8,104 posts)
28. Trumpist bought Citgo a few months ago
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:59 PM
18 hrs ago

Was wondering what ever happened to those refineries.

Per Paul Krugman today:

Which is not to say that nobody has profited from the abduction of Maduro. A few months ago Trumpist billionaire Paul Singer bought Citgo, the former U.S.-based arm of Venezuela’s state-run oil company. Citgo owns three Gulf Coast refineries custom-built to process Venezuelan crude, refineries that have suffered from the U.S. embargo on imports of that crude. If Trump lifts that embargo, Singer will receive a huge windfall. But this windfall will have nothing to do with reviving Venezuelan production.

Singer has made huge political donations to Trump, raising questions about how much he has influenced policy. His purchase of Citgo was also remarkably well-timed. What did he know?

Ol Janx Spirit

(717 posts)
30. Yep. And it's a huge surprise isn't it? /s
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 11:03 PM
18 hrs ago


So much corruption funded with our blood and treasure....

Aussie105

(7,645 posts)
23. Play the Twilight zone music . . .
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 09:27 PM
20 hrs ago

Trump's wrong footing everything just makes things worse.
Open conflict is next.
American boots on the ground in Venezuela, Greenland.

What if we are already in WW3?
What if we aren't but it is now going to unavoidably progress to that?
What if we are seeing the stage set for WW3 to happen?

All because some incompetent Apricot Colored Hell-beast wants to cover up past incompetence under more layers of incompetence - and doesn't want to go to jail?

GiqueCee

(3,409 posts)
29. Republican excrement...
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 11:03 PM
18 hrs ago

... will block any effort to get to the truth. Republicans HATE truth.

Aussie105

(7,645 posts)
33. Trump woke up one night . . .
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 11:40 PM
18 hrs ago

His feverish brain came up with the perfect solution for all his woes.
The ultimate distraction!
Start WW3!

ReRe

(12,172 posts)
34. K&R
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:02 AM
9 hrs ago

That's right, bigtree & Elizabeth Warren. Senate hearings NOW!
What are we, the United States of OIL?

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