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no_hypocrisy

(54,285 posts)
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 06:40 AM 21 hrs ago

Why did ICE shoot her?

Why didn’t he shoot out the tires?

Why did he aim at and shoot her face?

Why did he have to shoot, period?

The Police would have pulled her over or radioed an APB.

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Why did ICE shoot her? (Original Post) no_hypocrisy 21 hrs ago OP
Why did he aim at and shoot her face? malaise 21 hrs ago #1
You made my point. no_hypocrisy 21 hrs ago #2
If one decides to shoot, you shoot to kill Kaleva 21 hrs ago #9
Actually it didn't appear that they had any reasonable justification... Wuddles440 19 hrs ago #46
The regime's point is the bigger point malaise 21 hrs ago #10
None whatsoever malaise 18 hrs ago #50
None at all PatSeg 18 hrs ago #53
Absofuckingloutely! Rapist mentality! SheltieLover 20 hrs ago #11
Because he could COL Mustard 20 hrs ago #24
Three Shots Mr.Bee 18 hrs ago #48
Three shots to her face malaise 18 hrs ago #56
"The Police would have pulled her over or radioed an APB." lol not necessarily WhiskeyGrinder 21 hrs ago #3
Because in their Bettie 21 hrs ago #4
The culture of toxic masculinity prevails in ICE. John1956PA 21 hrs ago #8
Does he work for ICE? gab13by13 19 hrs ago #29
From the video, I did not get a good view of the attire of the male who pulled the door handle and shouted the f-word. John1956PA 19 hrs ago #33
Their culture has always been toxic masculinity. I'm going back over 40 years CanonRay 18 hrs ago #55
Exactly. This guy was chomping at the bit. underpants 19 hrs ago #34
To stop her speech? Tim S 21 hrs ago #5
The agent who shot was at the front of the vehicle Kaleva 20 hrs ago #12
Sending a message - creating fear in the public for power and control bucolic_frolic 21 hrs ago #6
Because they are untrained goons. frogstar0 21 hrs ago #7
Bingo Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin 19 hrs ago #43
Yes, Kristi is at fault Johonny 18 hrs ago #49
Probably all the police rejects PatSeg 18 hrs ago #54
Mall cop rejects! frogstar0 9 hrs ago #62
Brings to mind a "mall cop" PatSeg 6 hrs ago #64
They think it's a war and Americans are the enemy out to kill them. betsuni 20 hrs ago #13
They're right. Now, it is a war. This murder changed everything. Joinfortmill 19 hrs ago #26
Because they can, and because they enjoy it. hatrack 20 hrs ago #14
And, we are done here. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E 20 hrs ago #19
Why wasn't the murderer arrested? Emile 20 hrs ago #15
Goons with guns and no brain. Dave Bowman 20 hrs ago #16
I hope drug testing is mandatory AnnaLee 20 hrs ago #17
Shooting out tires is a Hollywood thing EdmondDantes_ 20 hrs ago #18
My guess... Mike Nelson 20 hrs ago #20
This speculation is harmful. yardwork 18 hrs ago #58
Except it has been said she came from dropping her kid off. usedtobedemgurl 10 hrs ago #61
I thought she was... Mike Nelson 8 hrs ago #63
I wouldn't be surprised if they yelled "move your car" at her as well as told her to "get out of the car" leading to RoeVWade 20 hrs ago #21
They shot her because they are improperly trained goons who signed up because their only proof of manhood Vinca 20 hrs ago #22
And perhaps a COL Mustard 19 hrs ago #28
I think I read somewhere they upped it to $70,000. Maybe we should all sign up, cash the checks, then stand Vinca 19 hrs ago #45
And why did he position himself in front of the car? surfered 20 hrs ago #23
No common sense too. Aren't we all aware of a car in a parking lot MIGHT back up without looking! underpants 19 hrs ago #35
BECAUSE THEY CAN Martin Eden 19 hrs ago #25
We're any of them wearing body cams? Katinfl 19 hrs ago #27
Duh.... ReRe 19 hrs ago #30
At the time that he fired, he was clearly not in any danger. He was at the side of the car. everyonematters 19 hrs ago #31
Many of these so-called ice agents have not been trained. He had a gun, and he's itching to use it. ashredux 19 hrs ago #32
Because they could. Turbineguy 19 hrs ago #36
Why? GiqueCee 19 hrs ago #37
Perhaps, like Trump, they hate the majority of Americans. CaptainTruth 19 hrs ago #38
This woman was shot in the face for the same reason Kristi Noem shot her dog Cricket in the face: . sop 19 hrs ago #39
Because they are so desperate for new agents that they'll hire anybody with a pulse, Ocelot II 19 hrs ago #40
He shot her because he could. Texin 19 hrs ago #41
He was "just following orders" is the traditional reply. Ping Tung 19 hrs ago #42
Because . . . AverageOldGuy 19 hrs ago #44
With the fact Abstractartist 18 hrs ago #47
I found a little more this morning Linda ladeewolf 18 hrs ago #51
I fear this moron won't be prosecuted, and this shyte will go on and get worse. D. Spaulding 18 hrs ago #52
Immediately before the tragedy, the shooter was apparently video recording with his phone. John1956PA 18 hrs ago #57
Because they want martial law Clouds Passing 18 hrs ago #59
Because that guy has been dreaming about doing something like that since he was Scrivener7 16 hrs ago #60

malaise

(292,802 posts)
1. Why did he aim at and shoot her face?
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 06:44 AM
21 hrs ago

To kill her

He murdered her in cold blood

That is all

Kaleva

(40,184 posts)
9. If one decides to shoot, you shoot to kill
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:07 AM
21 hrs ago

IMO, the agent didn’t have justification to use deadly force as videos show he was able to move out of the way.

Wuddles440

(1,967 posts)
46. Actually it didn't appear that they had any reasonable justification...
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:18 AM
19 hrs ago

for even existing their vehicle and approaching hers, as they could have easily drive around her on the left side of the street.

malaise

(292,802 posts)
10. The regime's point is the bigger point
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:08 AM
21 hrs ago

Kill protesters

This will backfire spectacularly

PatSeg

(52,178 posts)
53. None at all
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:38 AM
18 hrs ago

Sounds like a trigger-happy jerk who was just looking for a reason to use his gun. As you'd said, real police would have shot at her tires if they used their guns at all, as there seemed to be no valid reason to stop her. A trained cop probably would have just waved her on.

Bettie

(19,283 posts)
4. Because in their
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 06:51 AM
21 hrs ago

Training, they were taught that they can do anything they want to. They were hired for their lack of any sense of morality or humanity. This guy is probably happy about his first murder, especially since he will probably face no consequences and be able to do it again and again.

John1956PA

(4,820 posts)
8. The culture of toxic masculinity prevails in ICE.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:06 AM
21 hrs ago

The agent who stormed her car, grabbed the door handle, and shouted, "Get out of the f****** car!" is another example.

John1956PA

(4,820 posts)
33. From the video, I did not get a good view of the attire of the male who pulled the door handle and shouted the f-word.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:38 AM
19 hrs ago

As for the male who was the shooter, the later view of him in the video reveals that his jacket bears wording on the front and back. In large letters is the word 'POLICE." In smaller letters below there are the words "FEDERAL AGENT."

CanonRay

(15,952 posts)
55. Their culture has always been toxic masculinity. I'm going back over 40 years
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:43 AM
18 hrs ago

I was at FLETC in 84. They called themselves "Mean Green" on base. Their uniforms were green, every other agency was blue. Very militaristic.

Tim S

(54 posts)
5. To stop her speech?
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 06:58 AM
21 hrs ago

THIS IS JUST A GUESS but since the driver’s window was rolled down, maybe she said something to an ICE agent that inflamed him to such an extent that his response was to shoot to end it?? Could this tragedy be an untrained, infantile response from an ignorant hothead who couldn’t form a coherent verbal response?

bucolic_frolic

(54,049 posts)
6. Sending a message - creating fear in the public for power and control
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:00 AM
21 hrs ago

Demoralize any resistance with violence and fear. Countless rulers in history have used thuggery to control populations.

If Trump can pardon criminals, I wonder if a potential future Democratic president could revoke immunity laws from their inception.

frogstar0

(220 posts)
7. Because they are untrained goons.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:03 AM
21 hrs ago

They are hiring the worst kind of people. People who want power, status they thing those uppity...fill in the blank... Have stolen from them. Then they give them a gun and little or no real training. And the 'warrior' mindset is promoted. This is by design. They want conflict, violence so the can have their white nationalist dictatorship.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(132,864 posts)
43. Bingo
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:07 AM
19 hrs ago

Ice has always come off as unprofessional thugs. Real police are taught to de-escalate.

Johonny

(25,464 posts)
49. Yes, Kristi is at fault
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:27 AM
18 hrs ago

Her people don't have the correct training, despite billions spent.

PatSeg

(52,178 posts)
54. Probably all the police rejects
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:43 AM
18 hrs ago

The ones who couldn't qualify for any decent police force.

PatSeg

(52,178 posts)
64. Brings to mind a "mall cop"
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:37 PM
6 hrs ago

I knew many years ago. He couldn't wait to become a policeman and once he was accepted, he only lasted six months due to his excessively aggressive behavior. Some of these guys watch too many TV cop shows and believe that is reality.

AnnaLee

(1,351 posts)
17. I hope drug testing is mandatory
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:45 AM
20 hrs ago

Drug testing on the ICE shooter, including steroids, should be done immediately when they act without reason.

EdmondDantes_

(1,378 posts)
18. Shooting out tires is a Hollywood thing
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:46 AM
20 hrs ago

That said, he had no legally justifiable reason to shoot. If Noem's claim that he got run over by a protester's car before is true, maybe he had PTSD and fired because of that. Which would mean he shouldn't have been in the field. Of course Noem isn't a trustworthy source so that's probably not true, and can't be verified because we have no idea who he is.

Mike Nelson

(10,915 posts)
20. My guess...
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:52 AM
20 hrs ago

... is that she did something to upset that group of ICE officers earlier in the protest. When she decided to leave, they followed her. Lastly, she probably shouted vulgarities at them as she was leaving. This just tipped the shooter "over the edge," and he shot. It's surprising, to me, that it reached that point. When society entrusts you with a gun, you can't shoot everyone that "ticks you off"... no matter what they say... and most of what they do... From boats in the ocean to protesters, we seem to have a lower standard. I echo the Mayor and Governor - please be on guard, DU protesters. They want more chaos... stay safe.

yardwork

(68,976 posts)
58. This speculation is harmful.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:13 AM
18 hrs ago

We have no evidence that she said or did anything to antagonize the shooter. Speculating that she did creates false information that gets picked up and spread. It will be used to excuse the murder.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,931 posts)
61. Except it has been said she came from dropping her kid off.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 06:02 PM
10 hrs ago

I forget if it was school or daycare.

Mike Nelson

(10,915 posts)
63. I thought she was...
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:31 PM
8 hrs ago

... a protester. Maybe she was also picking up her child, or only there to pick up her child... it makes no difference. There is no way she should have been killed. This reminds me of the MAGA question "Why don't we just shoot them?" and, later, command, "Just shoot them." A boat... a protestor... I think that may be the new normal. This officer either won't be charged, or will be pardoned. No consequences... Just shoot them.

RoeVWade

(822 posts)
21. I wouldn't be surprised if they yelled "move your car" at her as well as told her to "get out of the car" leading to
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:57 AM
20 hrs ago

absolute confusion.

Vinca

(53,353 posts)
22. They shot her because they are improperly trained goons who signed up because their only proof of manhood
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:02 AM
20 hrs ago

is having a gun in their hand. The guns didn't have to be fired at all in this instance. Get her plate number and have her stopped if that's their goal.

Vinca

(53,353 posts)
45. I think I read somewhere they upped it to $70,000. Maybe we should all sign up, cash the checks, then stand
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:09 AM
19 hrs ago

around in our Fallujah-combat attire and pick out noses. The training must be a snap. It's half the amount of time I spent going through a police academy program in the 1980's to be on a small, local department.

surfered

(11,535 posts)
23. And why did he position himself in front of the car?
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:15 AM
20 hrs ago

Last edited Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:06 AM - Edit history (1)

New hire, no experience, poor training, previous job was living off his mother, in her basement, watching Fox all day.

underpants

(194,915 posts)
35. No common sense too. Aren't we all aware of a car in a parking lot MIGHT back up without looking!
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:46 AM
19 hrs ago

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Martin Eden

(15,363 posts)
25. BECAUSE THEY CAN
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:25 AM
19 hrs ago

Because a fascist regime uses brutality and intimidation to repress opposition.

Because decades of racist propaganda and fearmongering has groomed a large segement of our population to elect and support a demented sociopath to the highest office in our country.

Because a subculture of toxic masculinity has produced plenty of volunteers to use their 2A joysticks against himan beings they've been programmed to hate.

Because the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Eisenhower has been transformed into a corrupt tool of oligarchs and fascists who never have enough wealth, power, and entitlement.

everyonematters

(4,020 posts)
31. At the time that he fired, he was clearly not in any danger. He was at the side of the car.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:34 AM
19 hrs ago

He stepped out of the way from the front of the car and then fired.

ashredux

(2,871 posts)
32. Many of these so-called ice agents have not been trained. He had a gun, and he's itching to use it.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:37 AM
19 hrs ago

You look closely, he had his gun drawn before she started to move forward down the road. This was incredibly poor law-enforcement or to save the lease….. It was murder.

GiqueCee

(3,412 posts)
37. Why?
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:49 AM
19 hrs ago

Because they're all trigger-happy assholes looking for any excuse to join the Killers' Klub. Makes 'em feel like a MAN! Which is something they will NEVER be. They're under-trained, over-paid thugs specifically recruited because of their sociopathic tendencies, not in spite of them.

sop

(17,427 posts)
39. This woman was shot in the face for the same reason Kristi Noem shot her dog Cricket in the face: .
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:52 AM
19 hrs ago

when people (or dogs) disobey, they must be shot.

Ocelot II

(129,083 posts)
40. Because they are so desperate for new agents that they'll hire anybody with a pulse,
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:56 AM
19 hrs ago

and the only people who apply for the job are men (mostly) of low character who are willing to spend their days kidnapping ordinary people and sending them to gulags in an unfamiliar country. People who don't mind tearing families apart by abducting grocery-shopping old ladies and college students on spring break and military veterans whose only sin is having brown skin. So they have a bunch of new hires, maybe a few J6 pardonees among them, guys who are predisposed to authoritarian assholery in the first place, and they give them minimal LEO training and let them know they can do pretty much whatever they want, and they set them loose. What could possibly go wrong?

Texin

(2,832 posts)
41. He shot her because he could.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:59 AM
19 hrs ago

He obviously joined ICE so he could march around in jack boots with a gun and his face masked, wielding a gun provided by the U.S. government no less, so he had federal approval to use deadly force.

AverageOldGuy

(3,354 posts)
44. Because . . .
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:07 AM
19 hrs ago

. . . they made C's and D's in high school, the big kids picked on them, and the girls wouldn't talk to them.

Abstractartist

(417 posts)
47. With the fact
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:22 AM
18 hrs ago

With the face that anyone can go online and buy ICE uniforms, fake badges, and green hunting masks, I think anyone who is approached by one of these shits need to demand local police and identification. If not, then your life is in danger, and stand your ground should be taken seriously.

D. Spaulding

(452 posts)
52. I fear this moron won't be prosecuted, and this shyte will go on and get worse.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:34 AM
18 hrs ago

Social media and flooding the zone means next week we'll be on to a new outrage and this will be forgotten like so many other things the monster in chief does. And that means forgotten by most Dem politicians too. I hope I'm wrong; I hope someone like AOC keeps it in the news and pushes hard for this guy to get the punishment he deserves, but I have no optimism.

John1956PA

(4,820 posts)
57. Immediately before the tragedy, the shooter was apparently video recording with his phone.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:08 AM
18 hrs ago

I think he was distracted by his act of video recording. He was not "in the moment" so to speak. A well trained officer would have been focusing on the situation and discerning between what is an imminent threat and what is not.

We will never know the purpose of the agent's video recording. For all we know, he may have been live streaming on Facebook in order to impress his friends.

Scrivener7

(58,333 posts)
60. Because that guy has been dreaming about doing something like that since he was
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 11:23 AM
16 hrs ago

12 years old in his mother's basement.

ICE let's him wear his costumes and carry his gun to somewhere other than Starbucks and the Piggly Wiggly, and now he can get away with actually shooting a person. Which is much more appealing to him than hunting an animal.

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