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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHere's my theory about Trump's focus on Greenland
As an acolyte and lap dog of Putin, Trump has designated Greenland as a soft target. It has a sparse population and its isolated in the North Atlantic Ocean relatively close to the U.S. Politically, militarily and economically, Greenland, by itself, cannot repel a determined attack by Trump.
Greenland and Denmark are members of NATO whose charter, among other important declarations, states that any attack on a NATO member nation is an attack on all NATO nations. It has been a bedrock of maintaining peace in Europe since World War II.
If Trump were to attack Greenland, whether by force or otherwise, it would constitute an attack on all NATO members. Whether or not the European allies would respond militarily is not the point.
The point is that any such action by the U.S. against Greenland would effectively dissolve NATO which has been Putins desire all along. Consider that Putin is terrified of Ukraine becoming a member of NATO.
As the expression so accurately states, Everything Trump Touches Dies.
underpants
(195,027 posts)erronis
(22,694 posts)Blues Heron
(8,403 posts)Nigrum Cattus
(1,231 posts)OC375
(460 posts)Putin gets Europe
Trump gets Greenland down to South America
China gets Asia
Sort out the M.E. later and kick the can on fighting each other.
"Everyone" is happy, as far as they're concerned, and no reason for anyone to mess with the other for a hundred years.
As people have know for years, you can get a lot if you just walk in like you own the place, do what you want, and walk out like it's just another Tuesday with your head held high. Most people won't do a thing.
mr715
(2,757 posts)Oceania, Eurasia, and East Asia
I never thought about it in that context, but you're right. Kinda stopped me cold when you posted that...
mr715
(2,757 posts)Eurasia has always been our ally.
mitch96
(15,663 posts)carpetbagger
(5,415 posts)Venezuela...Greenland... then Kamchatka? The other three territories of South America?
Snarkoleptic
(6,214 posts)SMH
https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-interview-us-greenland-grab-nato-preservation-choice/
The U.S. president also told the Times he did not feel answerable to international law and was constrained only by his own conscience. My own morality. My own mind. Its the only thing that can stop me, he said.
I dont need international law, he added.
Harker
(17,441 posts)Gaytano70
(1,222 posts)I thought I read that the tech bros want the country to strip mine it. I can't recall the source. It tracks though because this regime is trying to copy the empire from Star Wars as closely as possible
Gaytano70
(1,222 posts)Johonny
(25,507 posts)Hence the ballroom, hence placing hus name all overz and hence is desperate need to expand America. He wants something that will make him more than a footnote in the history books. The problem is, he is a stupid, lazy person who doesn't have greatness in him. Although, maybe he can destroy 80 years of diplomacy to get a mostly frozen over island for a few years...
Joinfortmill
(20,128 posts)Kingofalldems
(40,052 posts)LostOne4Ever
(9,737 posts)Understanding his obsession with Greenland and with Canada becoming a US state is about his Narcissism.
He wants to be known as a president that expanded the American Empire to include the entire continent. Its all about stroking his ego and desire for glory and empire.
Sessuch
(227 posts)Theil and Musk want an independent entity where they can set up their own non-government government.
Septua
(2,956 posts)I just looked up some info on Greenland. The GDP is $3B (180 global rank) a year, fishing is the primary revenue source, Denmark gives the island government $500M-$600M a year, the island is about the size of Mexico, the island surface is 80% covered with ice a mile thick, mining is only a merging industry and it has a U.S. military base.
Trump says the U.S. needs it so Russia or China won't take it. Why would China or Russia want it? How would they go about getting it? And where is the practical value in China, Russia or the U.S. taking ownership? If mining was a serious or viable consideration, you'd think they were already doing it in a serious fashion. So, what's left? A discount on shrimp?
If it isn't narcissism combined with plain stupidity, then maybe it's just distraction. He's got ICE people trying to purge the country of immigrants, now shooting American citizens, declining popularity with his base, GOP lawmakers turning against him, the never ending Ukraine war, the price of groceries, the Epstein files and mid terms that are a real threat to his wannabe dictatorship.
But the sumbich was in the tall weeds the first time around and didn't learn a thing so why expect anything different now?
Bev54
(13,210 posts)It is all for Putin, including Venezuela oil, China may have to go back to buying from Russia or Trump has already said he would sell to Russia. US doesn't want or need the oil, it is more trouble than it is worth, where is the oil from the tankers? If Trump thought they needed more security in Greenland he could, at any time expand the US bases there and if they wanted the minerals, they can invest in mines as so many other countries have done. Don't need to own the land. However if he wants it to allow Russia access to NW passage it makes sense. I also think he is tanking the US economy for Putin, he wanted everyone, Europe and US destabilized and it is working. Everything Trump is doing works for Putin.
Joinfortmill
(20,128 posts)Captain Zero
(8,752 posts)Trump killing a minor.
Joinfortmill
(20,128 posts)Response to Captain Zero (Reply #27)
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LastDemocratInSC
(4,215 posts)It would help the economy, if nothing else, because roadside velour painting businesses would make a bundle on new items with TSF posing in bronze full body armor with lasers shining and a few grotesque members of the Norse pantheon swooping down from above.
Of couse, TSF would insist on a cut of the deal.
hamsterjill
(17,061 posts)Always has.
NJCher
(42,524 posts)If he invades Greenland, which is highly unlikely due to the pushback he's already received (this is why he's switched to saying he'll "buy" it), yes, it will dissolve NATO.
It is a mistake to think trump ever does anything for strategic reasons. He flies by the seat of his pants and in this situation is mostly motivated to distract from Epstein. Furthermore, he isn't intelligent enough to put any strategic plan together.
However, the European nations will form a new protective alliance without the U.S. and it will be called something other than "NATO." With the way trump behaves, they are better off that way, anyway. In the last few days, a study was released saying that younger residents of the UK, France, etc., want a unified European approach. They will get something like that if NATO goes by the wayside.
Joinfortmill
(20,128 posts)And, it ain't gonna be pretty. He should have already been impeached.
reACTIONary
(6,987 posts).... Is its strategic value as global warming opens up a navigable northwest passage.
I think TSF is listening to or is being manipulated by someone who has a long term strategic vision, because he could not come to such a conclusion himself.
It isn't in Putin's interest for an emerging northwest passage to be dominated by US or western countries.
Bread and Circuses
(1,593 posts)It re-aligns without the US. Perhaps a good decision for the future of NATO countries. US is a rogue state.
LuckyCharms
(21,876 posts)KT2000
(21,967 posts)The government has been working on a strategy to protect the Arctic for US interests - commerce, defense, and offense. It has been in the works for decades but trump figures he just need more real estate.
https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/Press-Releases/display-pressreleases/Article/2463000/department-of-the-navy-releases-strategic-blueprint-for-a-blue-arctic/
Page 2 at this link shows how minimal the US access to the Arctic shipping lanes is in relation to other countries. It could have been a cooperative arrangement with Greenland/Denmark but trust is broken now.