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Look at what Trump has done.
— Sherrilyn Ifill (@sifill.bsky.social) 2026-01-15T01:17:41.842Z
vapor2
(3,936 posts)sop
(17,663 posts)
chicoescuela
(2,687 posts)Miller dont understand.
We are really screwed.
Initech
(107,702 posts)And make it one way. Fuck that guy to hell.
lastlib
(27,657 posts)Let's shoot for Charon--it's colder, and MUCH farther.
Initech
(107,702 posts)He wouldn't make it that far! Bonus points if Elon sets the timer to 42069!
debsy
(799 posts)Get them all out of here!
And all the "American" Billionaires will find that maybe, they can't just go to New Zealand or Malta and hide out in comfort to come back after the dust is settled
It's easier for the rest of the world to cut us off than play US Nationalist games. Yeah, it might hurt them at first, but they can do it.
As a country, we're pretty much toast while we are struggling with the question on what is a normal US Citizen and whether or not this country can survive with classes of people based on birth rather than actual merit. We aren't going to get any help from outside when we need it.
As a country, we are going to have to totally re-jigger our Constitution, and that means all those snowflake mediocre White Guys and over-emotional Talking Heads might find they're going to have to stop pretending Amurrikkka is supposed to be Rich and White if it's going to survive.
It's not going to be fun. But this Country let the "cute" 10 year old smart assed Arsonist take over the house, so now it's got to pay - and unfortunately take a lot of good people and other things with it.
Sorry kids, wish I could have done more.
Javaman
(65,231 posts)Everyone is going to circle the wagons if the orange asshole attacks. And the very last thing they want on their soul are his co-conspirators.
Ol Janx Spirit
(774 posts)The reality is that NATO needs the U.S. more than they need Denmark.
While this is a show of posturing, when push comes to shove it is Denmark that will get shoved.
Greenland will end up as some kind of territory controlled by the U.S. in the end.
And the reason for that is NOT Turnip--it is all the work of all the administrations that worked so hard to build the reputation and power of the U.S. Regardless of--and really despite--the Idiot Orange, we ARE the premier power in the world. And that does not change just because we have Captain Shithead at the helm.
He benefits from all of the hard work and good will and economic and military power that American democracy has built. In the end that will count for more than anything.
Greenland will be a win for the Vulgarian-in-Chief--but not because of him... He will just be taking advantage of what others have done and built.
That describes his life.
What a dumb timeline we are on....
thought crime
(1,300 posts)But even if Trump somehow takes control of Greenland, what prevents the next president from releasing it back to Denmark?
duckworth969
(1,265 posts)Upper brass have real legal qualms about invading Greenland. This isnt a legal snatch and grab like Maduro. There is some pushback against Kegsbreath and Miller.
NATO is on its last legs. Recent Chump admin national strategy plan has it leaving the organization in 2027.
EU is going its own way and theyll be the better for it. Theyre already beginning to box out future US military purchases for Ukraine and theyve begun pulling back their intel sharing from the US.
The EU already has a larger arctic presence than the US. Putting more troops there now is smart and draws a line in the sand.
Troops in that area of the world train in that harsh environment. Our troops have only recently begun training with the Finns and Swedes in that winter cold.
And as Nance pointed out in his heated post, theres still a lot the EU could do.
Either way, I dont think this is going to be an easy in and out, militarily or otherwise. Well see who has the stomach for this conflict once troops start dying.
But this its all over but the shoutin is off the mark.
The Danes have already said they will fire on anybody that enters their territory, and theyre motivated. Once the shooting starts, no telling how itll go.
Russkies thought they had a cakewalk with Ukraine, didnt they?
Besides, were the bad guys in this, I want to see us get our noses good and bloodied. Wipe the smug expression off of American arrogance.
Last years of my life living in a fascist country.
What a timeline indeed.
Ol Janx Spirit
(774 posts)...very few of those things are likely to happen--in large part because of the success of our democratic institutions in building the U.S. into a formidable economic and military force in the years preceding Agent Orange.
In the end, the Greenland conflict seems like it will be fought by diplomats and not soldiers. Sure, some NATO allies are trying to make it look like a military stand is being taken, but in the end is there a real appetite for war--or even armed conflict--with the U.S.? Those moves feel more designed to force diplomacy and signal to the U.S. that NATO can in fact defend Greenland from Russia or Chinese aggression than to really signal a willingness to fight the U.S.
And we have some precedent for NATO allowing infighting to occur without destroying the alliance in the Greco-Turkish conflicts that have long plagued the two bitter rivals and the alliance.
There is a lot the EU could do, but those moves are as likely to fracture their coalition as they are to be effective in repelling the U.S. Even given their fairly robust response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022, the EU still hasn't ended all Russian gas and oil imports--and are not even committed to do so until 2027. We hate what you did, but we will still buy your oil and gas for another five years doesn't exactly scream backbone....
The truth is, the world in which we now live helped create the monster they now face in us. We looked stable, responsible, benevolent, and powerful. But even though we've apparently lost our minds, they still need us in many ways. It will be hard for them to abandon that--and it seems unfathomable that it would happen all at once over a dispute over an outlying territory.
It will--no doubt--change a lot of things in the alliance. EU will need to make a plan just in case we are unable to reign this in.
Still, in the end it will probably be true that when you're a superpower, they let you do it. You can do anything.... Grab 'em by the natural resources....
I guess we will all see how this goes....
IronLionZion
(50,886 posts)MAGA likes drugs from Novo Nordisk. How about Legos?
MAGA are probably too dumb to connect those consequences. They still think somebody else pays tariffs.
Javaman
(65,231 posts)They know full well what fascism is
They will fall on us like a fucking ton of bricks
Kablooie
(19,066 posts)Klarkashton
(4,799 posts)Sedate that bastard so he doesn't hurt anybody anymore
Orrex
(66,737 posts)Bonus points if you can tell us which hostile foreign power more or less dictates Trump's foreign policy.
thomski64
(858 posts)..asking for a tovarish..
Norbert
(7,614 posts)But I thought we would be respected around the world.
live love laugh
(16,215 posts)riversedge
(79,752 posts)wss2001
(85 posts)We have members of NATO are planning a defense against the US! His asset has succeeded beyond all expectations.
durablend
(8,917 posts)kwolf68
(8,286 posts)Never thought Id see the day France could mobilize against the USA. We've literally replaced Nazi Germany in this movie.