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PeaceWave

(2,749 posts)
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gay texan

(3,171 posts)
1. I'm quite certian Trump will make a note of that
Sat Jan 17, 2026, 08:24 PM
Saturday

newdeal2

(4,895 posts)
2. That's nice
Sat Jan 17, 2026, 08:28 PM
Saturday

What army or power do they have to fight back again? They gotta pick a side and if I were them, I’d continue on with Denmark.

SSJVegeta

(2,428 posts)
3. One day the world will unsubscribe from the dated and petulant theory that might makes right
Sat Jan 17, 2026, 08:48 PM
Saturday

Or that morality should be determined by capacities of physical force and violence.

...but we still have a long ways to go, apparently.

Iggo

(49,697 posts)
5. Not as long as humans are in charge.
Sat Jan 17, 2026, 11:57 PM
Saturday

SSJVegeta

(2,428 posts)
8. It will happen if humans want to stay in on charge (or in existence)
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 03:38 AM
Sunday

But certainly no matter what

Iggo

(49,697 posts)
12. It's not about want. It's about how we are.
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 04:33 PM
Sunday

“In charge” = “Not extinct.”

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newdeal2

(4,895 posts)
7. It doesn't matter what I think. It's the way it is and has always been in history
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 12:25 AM
Sunday

Most of the western hemisphere was taken over by force.

For the record, I’m all for Greenland deciding for themselves. But let’s be realistic here - right now if they choose to be independent without Denmark/Europe’s military and economic support, Trump will takeover the country in a day.

PuraVidaDreamin

(4,479 posts)
10. That's some staight up Stephen Miller talk right there.
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 07:25 AM
Sunday

It's time to change history.

Be the change!

FascismIsDeath

(68 posts)
14. No, that poster is actually refuting what Stephen Miller said.
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 11:04 PM
Sunday

Miller said if we don't take over Greenland, China or Russia will and that they don't have the ability to defend themselves and therefore shouldn't be able to claim sovereignty....

Except Europe/NATO and (until Trump's dumb ass), the United States has always been positioned to stop something like that from happening.

However, now the US is betraying the trust of the world, under the Trump regime, Greenland really does need the rest of Europe/NATO to stick by their side as a deterrent to this stupid endeavor by Trump to acquire it.

Emrys

(8,954 posts)
4. Greenlanders are divided on whether and when to declare independence from Denmark.
Sat Jan 17, 2026, 09:15 PM
Saturday

So it's not for you or any other outsider to say that Denmark needs to "piss off".

Although clear majorities have agreed in principle with independence in a number of polls over the years, there are understandable reasons most are not in favour of going ahead too quickly:

As part of the self-rule law of 2009 (section §21), Greenland can declare full independence if it wishes to pursue it, but it would have to be approved by a referendum among the Greenlandic people and by the Danish parliament. It has been argued that because it was once a colony, under international law Greenland also has, separate from the 2009 law, the right of self-determination and could make a unilateral declaration of independence. A poll in 2016 showed that there was a clear majority (64%) for full independence among the Greenlandic people, but a poll in 2017 showed that there was a clear opposition (78%) if it meant a fall in living standards.
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A 2025 poll showed that a majority 84% of Greenlanders would support independence from Denmark, with 9% opposing. 61% opposed independence if it meant a lower standard of living, with 39% in favour. When asked in a binary choice between the USA and Denmark, 85% preferred to be part of Denmark with only 6% preferring the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_independence


It would be interesting to see how Trump's current bullshit has affected those numbers.

If Greenlanders ever vote for independence, it's highly unlikely Denmark would stand in their way.

The tension between wanting independence and an understanding that Denmark's economic support is currently vital is apparent in all the polling undertaken - some of the nuances are explored in this article:

Greenland’s independence movement sees opportunity in Trump’s interest: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/02/03/greenlands-independence-movement-sees-opportunity-in-trumps-interest

JI7

(93,285 posts)
9. There are some issues that the people might have with the govt
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 03:48 AM
Sunday

but as we can see right now independence is not realistic.

Torchlight

(6,380 posts)
11. Maybe write a sternly worded letter to Greenland informing them of this unsupported position...?
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 10:45 AM
Sunday

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FascismIsDeath

(68 posts)
13. According to treaties, defense agreements, etc, as far as the first world is concerned, it belongs to Denmark.
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 04:37 PM
Sunday

I have nothing but sympathy for indigenous peoples' who had their land taken from them by Europeans. But we are well beyond that. Denmark isn't going to "piss off", its their territory and thats the way its going to continue being regarded by the world at large, period.

artemisia1

(1,504 posts)
15. Visit Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota to experience just how much the Western world respects Native rights.
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 11:13 PM
Sunday

For those who didn't get the reference, I was being SARCASTIC. It is a national disgrace what it is left to.

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