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Chasstev365

(7,381 posts)
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 11:31 AM Jan 18

Why can't Democrats just say it:

Republicans are allowing the madness of King Donald every day to get worse and worse.

What would be the downside? I really don't understand. Do they actually still believe in decorum and rules in a polite society?

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Why can't Democrats just say it: (Original Post) Chasstev365 Jan 18 OP
They can do that. Just saying the GOP is standing in the way of better healthcare, affordability & stability works too. dutch777 Jan 18 #1
There is so much low hanging fruit that we are not picking. The messaging Scrivener7 Jan 18 #2
I stand boggled with you, S7. yellow dahlia Jan 18 #39
Maybe they'll suggest Republicans wear body cams n/t leftstreet Jan 18 #3
Jason Crow said it, gab13by13 Jan 18 #4
I don't think we can wait that long. Jan 2027 if a new Congress is seated. paleotn Jan 18 #12
That Alaska airborn unit's planned deployment to Minnesota is not actually for Minnesota. Scrivener7 Jan 19 #56
Again, we are waiting on something that may not happen. hamsterjill Jan 18 #20
Post removed Post removed Jan 19 #44
I believe taking a stand now and fighting them Hey Joe Jan 19 #51
No, NO!! We must focus on the Abundance Agenda, because that's what our consultants said!!! hatrack Jan 18 #5
I guess Hakeem Jefferies, Mark Kelly, Elissa Slotkin, AOC, et al. didn't get the memo? paleotn Jan 18 #11
Also Jamie Raskin, Eric Swalwell, and many others ShazzieB Jan 18 #25
I get tired of that particular Dem bashing line too BaronChocula Jan 18 #37
Evidently one can be a "supporter" giving "constructive criticism" by lying about what Democrats do/say and do not. betsuni Jan 19 #54
You mean the Elissa Slotkin choie Jan 19 #52
We do Democrats always have to present a positive message and agenda that the corporate media ignores? Chasstev365 Jan 18 #16
Fire all the consultants. yellow dahlia Jan 18 #40
I'm a Democrat and I'm saying, as are you too, I assume. Some elected Dems are saying it too-- like Jasmine Crockett! LymphocyteLover Jan 18 #6
Sometimes Katcat Jan 18 #7
Really no downside to much these days. paleotn Jan 18 #8
Coloring within the lines for decorum's sake only guarantees Democrats march in an orderly fashion to the camps. Efilroft Sul Jan 18 #9
We say that all the time creeksneakers2 Jan 18 #10
Schumer: "The bottom line is, Senate Republicans continually fall in line behind Donald Trump, no matter how reckless, betsuni Jan 18 #13
You can be a supporter choie Jan 19 #53
Why don't Democrats use some random phrasing that came out of your head? Gee, I don't know? tritsofme Jan 18 #14
Reread my original post: You missed my point entirely Chasstev365 Jan 18 #17
It's just not true. Democrats denounce Republicans for falling behind Trump all the time. tritsofme Jan 18 #19
Yes, it's not true. Gaslights make it pretty dim in here. betsuni Jan 18 #30
Yes - the problem with the Republican party is REPUBLICANS, not just Trump. Beartracks Jan 18 #15
RULES ONLY APPLY TO DEMS, RIGHT? Exp Jan 18 #18
ANY MEANS NECESSARY czarjak Jan 18 #21
Doesn't seem very productive. mdbl Jan 18 #22
Like the LEO's are afraid of breaking a nail single-handedly apprehending a person, I think our Democratic leaders are LiberalArkie Jan 18 #23
Almost half the country still support Trump!!! kirby Jan 18 #24
That's what my husband keeps saying Tree Lady Jan 18 #41
A lot of media make sure many still support him. They hide the truth of his mental illness so they have 'access' Attilatheblond Jan 19 #45
Dems are channeling Merrick Garland Tetrachloride Jan 18 #26
I was listening to a pod-caster video Dan Jan 18 #27
"This Pod-caster advocated for a third party..." MorbidButterflyTat Jan 18 #35
Don't remember Dan Jan 18 #36
The Democratic Party has historically been the larger of two parties Warpy Jan 18 #28
I am hearing dems say a lot and the press ignores them. I have heard great speeches in congress. But, people keep mucifer Jan 18 #29
I've been wondering what has happened to Princess. She used to be able to rein in Daddy Dearest a bit and surely Vinca Jan 18 #31
She won't do anything to slow the money boats docking at her shore. Attilatheblond Jan 19 #46
They are saying it MorbidButterflyTat Jan 18 #32
These "Why don't Democrats stop Republicans?" whines are boring. A milquetoast bash. betsuni Jan 19 #49
We need someone to write a strongly worded letter. doc03 Jan 18 #33
Democrats have said things like that and more but I am wondering JI7 Jan 18 #34
Democrats like us have been saying that for more than a decade. So has the Democratic minority in the Senate and the Martin68 Jan 18 #38
It's why.... RetiredParatrooper Jan 19 #42
Just three things. usonian Jan 19 #43
a great question samsingh Jan 19 #47
Some are. barbtries Jan 19 #48
Chris Murphy should be the Senate minority leader. Scrivener7 Jan 19 #55
Not a chance of that until the next Congress. maxsolomon Jan 19 #58
Yeah, I know. Scrivener7 Jan 19 #59
I was pretty bad at math and don't get the New Division Torchlight Jan 19 #50
They are saying it. maxsolomon Jan 19 #57

dutch777

(4,969 posts)
1. They can do that. Just saying the GOP is standing in the way of better healthcare, affordability & stability works too.
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 11:41 AM
Jan 18

The more we make the midterms about issues the American voter wants solutions to and less about Trump per se, the weaker GOP candidates' case becomes. Trump is so obvious, we don't need to run against him again, rather GOPers who will be on the ballot and their inaction or lack of viable ideas on solving problems. It's been fifteen years since the ACA went into law and where is that GOP viable alternative?

Scrivener7

(58,883 posts)
2. There is so much low hanging fruit that we are not picking. The messaging
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 11:44 AM
Jan 18

game would be ours hands down if we just played it. And we could use it to pressure edge republicans to actually do something. But we don't.

It boggles the mind.

gab13by13

(31,625 posts)
4. Jason Crow said it,
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 12:08 PM
Jan 18

Hald of the Democrats want to fight now, the other half wants to wait Krasnov out and beat him in the election.

paleotn

(21,834 posts)
12. I don't think we can wait that long. Jan 2027 if a new Congress is seated.
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 01:07 PM
Jan 18

I keep thinking he's going to do something really, really stupid like invade Greenland and Repukes will help with the lift. But at what cost? Hell of a conundrum we're in.

hamsterjill

(17,191 posts)
20. Again, we are waiting on something that may not happen.
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 01:31 PM
Jan 18

Ala Merrick Garland. Trump is already alluding to the idea that there shouldn't be mid-term elections and Dems need to be addressing that RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!!

I'm tired of waiting for actual forward movement and visible action.

Response to gab13by13 (Reply #4)

Hey Joe

(495 posts)
51. I believe taking a stand now and fighting them
Mon Jan 19, 2026, 01:28 PM
Jan 19

calling them out, holding them accountable for the misery they and Tr💩mp are creating in the world, along with better, more accountable messaging would help prime the American people for the midterms.
It should not be that difficult in light of this present insanity.

ShazzieB

(22,339 posts)
25. Also Jamie Raskin, Eric Swalwell, and many others
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 02:31 PM
Jan 18

Many Democrats have been speaking out. Perhaps a more coordinated communication strategy might help, but I get tired of seeing Democrats accused of doing nothing.

As for the midterms, the campaigning for those is barely getting started, with most candidates concentrating on winning their party's nomination and focusing on those they are running against in their respective primaries. Once everyone knows who's running for which party, things will heat up as Democrats start going after their opponents in the general election and vice versa. I'm hopeful that as time goes on, we will start to see a lot more examples of Democratic candidates going after their Republicans opponents based on issues like affordability and how the GOP is sitting idly by while Schlump destroys the country. At least I sure hope so!

BaronChocula

(4,188 posts)
37. I get tired of that particular Dem bashing line too
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 09:08 PM
Jan 18

Just because you didn't see a Democrat say something or something similar doesn't mean they didn't say it. I see Democrats on message every day. The problem is prioritizing which message to send with so much chaos going on.

betsuni

(28,890 posts)
54. Evidently one can be a "supporter" giving "constructive criticism" by lying about what Democrats do/say and do not.
Mon Jan 19, 2026, 02:54 PM
Jan 19

Or by assuming a lie is true. A lieassume.

Chasstev365

(7,381 posts)
16. We do Democrats always have to present a positive message and agenda that the corporate media ignores?
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 01:17 PM
Jan 18

For once, Democrats need to be brutal and make Republicans own the mess were in.

Kamala had a positive message and agenda; the media ignored it
Hillary had a positive message and agenda; the media ignored it.
Kerry had a positive message and agenda; the media ignored it.

Even if people have turned on Trump, there is a disconnect with their Rep or Senator. If we don't defeat that, the Republicans could remain in control of both Houses, which means the shitshow will continue into Trump's 3rd Term.

I say when they go low, kick them in the balls with the truth!

Katcat

(558 posts)
7. Sometimes
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 12:37 PM
Jan 18

I just think they are too old and out of touch. You can’t play marbles when the opposition is playing with dynamite.

betsuni

(28,890 posts)
13. Schumer: "The bottom line is, Senate Republicans continually fall in line behind Donald Trump, no matter how reckless,
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 01:10 PM
Jan 18

no matter how unconstitutional, no matter the potential cost of American lives."

Of course Democrats say it all the time. Blame & Bash! This is a forum for supporters of Democrats and progress.

tritsofme

(19,845 posts)
14. Why don't Democrats use some random phrasing that came out of your head? Gee, I don't know?
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 01:10 PM
Jan 18

The implication that Democrats do not denounce Trump is just silly and absurd.

Chasstev365

(7,381 posts)
17. Reread my original post: You missed my point entirely
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 01:23 PM
Jan 18

I never said Democrats don't denounce Trump. I said they don't effectively make Republicans own either their complicity or their approval of Trump! Republicans have the power to impeach Trump by next week, but they do nothing!

tritsofme

(19,845 posts)
19. It's just not true. Democrats denounce Republicans for falling behind Trump all the time.
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 01:28 PM
Jan 18

But let’s stay grounded in reality here for a moment, there is absolutely nothing that Democrats could “say” that would make Republicans impeach Trump next week.

Beartracks

(14,456 posts)
15. Yes - the problem with the Republican party is REPUBLICANS, not just Trump.
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 01:12 PM
Jan 18

He's their out-of-control Frankenstein, but they just sit on their hands and let democracy burn.

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LiberalArkie

(19,480 posts)
23. Like the LEO's are afraid of breaking a nail single-handedly apprehending a person, I think our Democratic leaders are
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 02:23 PM
Jan 18

afraid of getting dirt and dust on their suits. "What would my donors think if I said anything against them".

Tree Lady

(13,106 posts)
41. That's what my husband keeps saying
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 09:52 PM
Jan 18

I am so embarrassed and ashamed we have so many Americans that are basically choosing evil and destruction of our country.

Attilatheblond

(8,524 posts)
45. A lot of media make sure many still support him. They hide the truth of his mental illness so they have 'access'
Mon Jan 19, 2026, 09:59 AM
Jan 19
https://www.emptywheel.net/2026/01/09/annals-of-sanewashing-nyt-labels-trumps-confession-of-psychological-unfitness-as-leadership/]

Four years ago, in an article for Media Matters for America, I warned that journalists were sanitizing Donald Trump’s incoherent ramblings to make them more palatable for the average voter. The general practice went like this: The press would take something Trump said or did—for instance, using a visit to the Centers for Disease Control to ask about Fox News’s ratings, insult then–Washington Governor Jay Inslee, rant about his attempt to extort Ukraine into digging up dirt on Joe Biden, and downplay the rising number of Covid-19 cases in the U.S.—and write them up as The New York Times did: “Trump Says ‘People Have to Remain Calm’ Amid Coronavirus Outbreak.” This had the effect of making it seem like Trump’s words and actions seemed cogent and sensible for the vast majority of Americans who didn’t happen to watch his rant live.

[snip]

This “sanewashing” of Trump’s statements isn’t just poor journalism; it’s a form of misinformation that poses a threat to democracy. By continually reframing Trump’s incoherent and often dangerous rhetoric as conventional political discourse, major news outlets are failing in their duty to inform the public and are instead providing cover for increasingly erratic behavior from a former—and potentially future—president.

The consequences of this journalistic malpractice extend far beyond misleading headlines. By laundering Trump’s words in this fashion, the media is actively participating in the erosion of our shared reality.

Dan

(5,030 posts)
27. I was listening to a pod-caster video
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 02:54 PM
Jan 18

He made some interesting points - which I hope will not be perceived as an attack on Democrats, but what he said resonated with me.

The primary point he made that the GOP is slowly but surely stripping rights away from the working class, via policy, misinformation, combined with racism and misogyny. Once they strip some rights away, the Democratic party resumes power and slowly but surely reacquires some of the rights that have been stripped away. Some, but not all. So, gradually the nation is trending rightward.

The problem is that both parties are somewhat beholden to their donors - and they share the some of the same donors. That is one of the primary reason we don't have universal health care. The Healthcare lobby has more power than we the people combined with the additional power that Citizens United bestowed on Corporations.

This Pod-caster advocated for a third party that would benefit the workers Or a real Democratic party leadership that would actively fight for the working class without regard for the donor base. People like Congressperson Crockett, AOC, etc., those that are leading the charge and have media savvy to counteract the right-wing media.

It was interesting because I have a friend that is currently trying to form a third party for some of the same reasons that this pod-caster made. While very progressive he has turned off the Democratic party due to what he perceives as their half-ass measures to address the needs of the working person. And, unfortunately he believes that our party is more interested in their fund raising over the people. He believes that the old people in the party are more interested in their seats (and will do nothing that jeopardizes the seats) than benefiting the people.

On parts I do have to agree - I think that the party would be better served by pushing more of the younger generation of Democratic leaders than catering to the needs/beliefs of the elderly members of the party. I do believe that change is in the air and that the younger people are going to lead our party in changing and finding news ways. The young people will fight while the elders seek compromise (with the exception of Nancy P., who I hope will live forever as a demonstrator of a fighter). I do question whether compromise is the way forward given what we are currently experiencing and the character of the GOP.

Like I said, I hope that this won't be perceived as an attack on the Democratic party but maybe something to think about as we go forward.

Dan

(5,030 posts)
36. Don't remember
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 05:17 PM
Jan 18

No, he wasn't advocating for MAGA but he did recognize that with the current state of the GOP - any viable third party alternative would impact the GOP more (His opinion - reference Ross Perot example).

Warpy

(114,503 posts)
28. The Democratic Party has historically been the larger of two parties
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 02:56 PM
Jan 18

precisely because the power center has been pro corporate even as the periphery has nearly always defended the constitution and the amendments to it. As much as we'd love to return to January 1933-January 1937, the first four years of FDRs presidency were an aberration, forcing sweeping changes where they were most needed because the country was in economic crisis and quite frankly facing revolution.

That's one reason the party won't go there, they have almost as much of a stake in keeping the game going as the radical plutocrats, tech bros, and crypto dudes do. They do, however, see the next crisis on the horizon and will try to take steps to prevent the worst of it. That's why I'm a registered Democrat, even though Social Democrat* is closer to the truth.

Don't expect radical change from the Democatic Party until and unless the country experiences another massive economic crash. Changes will be so incremental as to be invisible until then. However, the Republicans have always met crisis with total paralysis, their dogma blinding them to what the crisis actually consists of, let alone allowing them to deal with it effectively. That's the other reaon I'm a registered Democrat.


*Democratic Socialism: Moves toward decentralized and democratically controlled ownership of all facets of the economy with the eventual goal of abolishing capitalism altogether. It sounds pretty good but is open to real abuse and can devolve faster than cyclical capitalism does, along with stifling innovation and lessening productivity. See: Rssia, although this wasn't their only problem, the main one being that the Boilsheviks hated democracy.

Social Democrats: A mixed system of socialism and capitalism is created, with things moving back and forth between the two paradigms as a socialist entity stagnates or a capitalist entity becomes predatory. This blunts the destructiveness of capitalism while allowing it to exist since it's capable of quicker response to changing human needs.

I can deal with messy. Purity is for plaster saints.

mucifer

(25,596 posts)
29. I am hearing dems say a lot and the press ignores them. I have heard great speeches in congress. But, people keep
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 02:56 PM
Jan 18

blaming dems for the chaos.

Vinca

(53,555 posts)
31. I've been wondering what has happened to Princess. She used to be able to rein in Daddy Dearest a bit and surely
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 03:16 PM
Jan 18

she must realize what is going on in Minneapolis is very, very bad. 6 kids in a van coming back from a basketball game get taken to the hospital from tear gas? Don't any of them care??????????????????????????????

JI7

(93,365 posts)
34. Democrats have said things like that and more but I am wondering
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 04:21 PM
Jan 18

do you think voters are just uninformed or don't know ? And if "Democrats" said that specific thing things would be different ?

Martin68

(27,315 posts)
38. Democrats like us have been saying that for more than a decade. So has the Democratic minority in the Senate and the
Sun Jan 18, 2026, 09:35 PM
Jan 18

House. I don't really understand your point. without a political majority in the Legislative, Judicial, and Executive Branch, boards are important but carry little weight when it comes to change. We have been saying it over and over. I fear you are missing the point.

usonian

(24,115 posts)
43. Just three things.
Mon Jan 19, 2026, 09:00 AM
Jan 19


The GOP is being blackmailed by the remaining partner of the Trump-Epstein sex, blackmail and money laundering empire.

EXPOSE IT

BREAK IT UP NOW

samsingh

(18,326 posts)
47. a great question
Mon Jan 19, 2026, 11:24 AM
Jan 19

we don't go after the republicans with the same intensity as we go after one of our own for a single mistake


this is beyond frustrating and could lead to the destruction of democracy

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