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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf it wasn't clear before, it is now: Britain needs an escape plan from the Trump world order (Guardian column)
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jan/18/trump-greenland-britain-europeOne way or the other, President Trump said, he will have Greenland. Well, at least now we know its the other; not an invasion that would have sent young men home to their mothers across Europe in coffins, but instead another trade war, designed to kill off jobs and break Europes will. Just our hopes of an economic recovery, then, getting taken out and shot on a whim by our supposedly closest ally, months after Britain signed a trade deal supposed to protect us from such arbitrary punishment beatings. In a sane universe, that would not feel like a climbdown by the White House, yet by comparison with the rhetoric that had Denmark scrambling troops to Greenland last week it is.
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Keir Starmer has tried everything to avoid being forced to choose between Europe and the US, and for a country that has burned too many international bridges lately that was the right instinct. He has swallowed any amount of personal mortification and public disquiet in the process, only to discover that whatever Britain gives, Trump always demands more. For this president, you are either all in or all out. Though Britain joined an American military operation to seize a Russian-flagged tanker suspected of sanctions busting only days ago, that didnt protect us from presidential wrath when we also sent a single officer to Greenland last week, in symbolic solidarity with our (and at least in theory the USs) Nato ally Denmark. You cant ride two horses, it turns out, when one is a mad bucking bronco.
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Any woman ever trapped in a relationship with an abusive man will recognise something in the posture of the USs smaller, less powerful allies over the past year. The first time he lashes out, you tell yourself that it cant be what you think it is; that it wont happen again. Before long, you are tiptoeing over eggshells around him, trying not to say or do anything that makes him explode. But since an angry man will find excuses to be angry, eventually it becomes clear that the only answer is to leave. Yet to get away safely from a vindictive man takes some planning.
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For what makes this process infinitely more complicated than ending a marriage is the need to separate president and country. Trump cannot last for ever, and so long as there is any chance of him being succeeded by someone more capable of being reasoned with in 2028, a conclusive final breach with the US makes no sense. The epoch-defining judgment call western governments thus have to make isnt about the US under Trump, but about whether the US itself is lost to us, for a generation or more. Until that is resolved, the only strategy is to play for time; but plan, all along, for escape.
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Keir Starmer has tried everything to avoid being forced to choose between Europe and the US, and for a country that has burned too many international bridges lately that was the right instinct. He has swallowed any amount of personal mortification and public disquiet in the process, only to discover that whatever Britain gives, Trump always demands more. For this president, you are either all in or all out. Though Britain joined an American military operation to seize a Russian-flagged tanker suspected of sanctions busting only days ago, that didnt protect us from presidential wrath when we also sent a single officer to Greenland last week, in symbolic solidarity with our (and at least in theory the USs) Nato ally Denmark. You cant ride two horses, it turns out, when one is a mad bucking bronco.
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Any woman ever trapped in a relationship with an abusive man will recognise something in the posture of the USs smaller, less powerful allies over the past year. The first time he lashes out, you tell yourself that it cant be what you think it is; that it wont happen again. Before long, you are tiptoeing over eggshells around him, trying not to say or do anything that makes him explode. But since an angry man will find excuses to be angry, eventually it becomes clear that the only answer is to leave. Yet to get away safely from a vindictive man takes some planning.
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For what makes this process infinitely more complicated than ending a marriage is the need to separate president and country. Trump cannot last for ever, and so long as there is any chance of him being succeeded by someone more capable of being reasoned with in 2028, a conclusive final breach with the US makes no sense. The epoch-defining judgment call western governments thus have to make isnt about the US under Trump, but about whether the US itself is lost to us, for a generation or more. Until that is resolved, the only strategy is to play for time; but plan, all along, for escape.
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If it wasn't clear before, it is now: Britain needs an escape plan from the Trump world order (Guardian column) (Original Post)
highplainsdem
Sunday
OP
The UK and the EU ...stop capitulating . Arm yourselves. Putin is pulling the strings
Bread and Circuses
Sunday
#1
The big problem is Ukraine. If the EU and UK take action against Trump, he'll abandon Ukraine
muriel_volestrangler
Monday
#7
Bread and Circuses
(1,663 posts)1. The UK and the EU ...stop capitulating . Arm yourselves. Putin is pulling the strings
Initech
(107,673 posts)2. In a just world, Putin and his goons would be bombed back to the stone ages.
But our world is not just right now.
C_U_L8R
(49,002 posts)3. Narcissists, like alcoholics
The only way to effectively deal with them is to create a lot of distance and dont engage. Their mess is something you cant fix and theyll only drag you down with them.
Hugin
(37,525 posts)4. I would say this is the judgement call any person needs to make...
The epoch-defining judgment call western governments thus have to make isnt about the US under Trump, but about whether the US itself is lost to us, for a generation or more.
LudwigPastorius
(14,286 posts)5. Fuck me.
We're only one year into Trump's term and one of our staunchest allies is debating whether or not to Brexit the fuck from our Special Relationship.
duckworth969
(1,263 posts)6. "... about whether the US itself is lost to us, for a generation or more"
My feeling is yes.
I heard Sam Harris say much the same thing on one of his podcasts.
muriel_volestrangler
(105,678 posts)7. The big problem is Ukraine. If the EU and UK take action against Trump, he'll abandon Ukraine
Europes first instinct will be to try for some negotiated fudge that saves face, jobs and (particularly in Ukraine, where US security guarantees remain critical) lives, with Denmarks foreign minister due in Downing Street shortly to discuss options.
Yes, that is the problem. I'd like to see sanctions against Trump specifically - eg seize his 2 golf courses in Scotland - but anything that affects him will cause an even bigger tantrum.