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The DOW is DOWN 849.00 (Original Post) spanone Jan 20 OP
Cue the "DOW doesn't matter" crowd. MineralMan Jan 20 #1
I think the S&P is a better index now fujiyamasan Jan 20 #5
It is a more comprehensive index iemanja Jan 20 #28
S&p500 Down 2.04% today fujiyamasan Jan 20 #35
Isn't it way more volatile now? Like for the last 20 years. mr715 Jan 20 #6
No not really - TBF Jan 20 #11
It matters to those of us who were FORCED to depend on it for retirement. Coventina Jan 20 #9
My IRA is worth substantially more than I ever would have received as a pension MichMan Jan 20 #36
The Dow is not the economy edhopper Jan 20 #10
Well... not to someone as poor as I am. OldBaldy1701E Jan 20 #25
Mostly red lines going down at stock market---a few green going up........ riversedge Jan 20 #2
The only stock I see going up is gold and oil. nt SunSeeker Jan 20 #27
Trump is serving up turd tacos. C_U_L8R Jan 20 #3
"Best stock market" orangecrush Jan 20 #4
From the Lincoln Project: highplainsdem Jan 20 #7
Those of us who were FORCED into the stock market thru 401Ks will suffer Coventina Jan 20 #8
Every company I've ever worked out had an opt-in 401k. TheProle Jan 20 #13
The two financial companies I worked for: Coventina Jan 20 #16
I never saw a 401k that forced investors 100% into stocks MichMan Jan 20 #39
we could choose not to participate at all, but it wouldn't result in higher take home. n/t Coventina Jan 21 #41
The devaluation of the dollar will hurt all of us too, even those who are not in stocks. Scrivener7 Jan 21 #42
I assume Bessent all shorted last week Johonny Jan 20 #12
Well, I get my 401K bonus deposited into my account in a few days Johnny2X2X Jan 20 #14
The billionaire fat cats who paid to play are making a killing Brother Buzz Jan 20 #15
HE'S STILL TALKING -904 spanone Jan 20 #17
−905.55 Now malaise Jan 20 #18
Hey! Doesn't this man have a job? spanone Jan 20 #19
The fawning media hacks are shameless malaise Jan 20 #20
That explains a lot. Maru Kitteh Jan 20 #21
He just now quit talking....nearly TWO HOURS. spanone Jan 20 #22
He needs a nap before he begins his rage posting for the evening. nt TBF Jan 20 #23
Bond market is cratering obamanut2012 Jan 20 #24
I follow the Australian ASX200 closely. Aussie105 Jan 20 #26
Unfortunately, the market is less than 600 points off its all time high. JMCKUSICK Jan 20 #29
Some of those oligarchs might be interested in the minerals and metals in Greenland IronLionZion Jan 20 #32
Right, but at the expense of blowing up an 80 year old world order? JMCKUSICK Jan 20 #34
Quiet ruskie piggy SheltieLover Jan 20 #30
If the stock market keeps falling, it could save our country. A falling stock market seems to be the only thing that Fil1957 Jan 20 #31
Danish lawmaker told Trump to fuck off! Emile Jan 20 #33
Where is the DOW now compared to 1 year ago? MichMan Jan 20 #37
When Biden took office it was 31,188.38. Biden saved my retirement fund. SunSeeker Jan 20 #38
Anyone not seeing we are in for an epic collapse edhopper Jan 21 #43
Stephen Goebbels Is Telling DJT The Dow Is At Record Highs. ColoringFool Jan 20 #40
Up 589 points today MichMan Jan 21 #44

MineralMan

(150,879 posts)
1. Cue the "DOW doesn't matter" crowd.
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 02:14 PM
Jan 20

But, it does matter. It's a thermometer. I have zero investments in the stock market, but I watch the DJIA numbers daily. The DJIA takes the country's temperature constantly.

And it's not liking this whole Trumpery about Denmark, Greenland, ICE and other stuff.

Take that for what it's worth.

fujiyamasan

(1,435 posts)
5. I think the S&P is a better index now
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 02:19 PM
Jan 20

Either way, the markets are down and are not reacting positively to all of this nonsense.

fujiyamasan

(1,435 posts)
35. S&p500 Down 2.04% today
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 06:06 PM
Jan 20

To put it in perspective, it lost ~10% of its value last year between April 2nd and April….

Today’s sell off may just be the start, if Trump continues on with what he’s doing….

Hopefully TACO

mr715

(3,246 posts)
6. Isn't it way more volatile now? Like for the last 20 years.
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 02:23 PM
Jan 20

More apps with more people buying and selling small quantities add up? I don't know how it works.

TBF

(35,987 posts)
11. No not really -
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 02:36 PM
Jan 20

The wealthiest 10% of Americans own 93% of stocks even with market participation at a record high, and three distinct firms control about 3/4 of the equities market. The big players like stability, and Trump is a loose cannon.

MichMan

(16,874 posts)
36. My IRA is worth substantially more than I ever would have received as a pension
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 06:12 PM
Jan 20

Pensions were great for those who spent a couple decades or more working for the same employer. The downside is that once you have a certain amount of years of service in, it becomes very hard to walk away to take a better opportunity.

For those of us who moved from one employer to another every few years as better and better opportunities became available, a 401k is a much better option.

edhopper

(37,171 posts)
10. The Dow is not the economy
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 02:32 PM
Jan 20

but it does matter. So far economic indicators have been much worse than the traders have reacted to. But a big loss in the market can have a magnifying effect on an already troubled economy.

riversedge

(80,040 posts)
2. Mostly red lines going down at stock market---a few green going up........
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 02:15 PM
Jan 20

No, it is not my watchlist--as I have none--



https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/watchlist?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=138f4fd1d22743f7e074c8a426065dbc&ei=8
Overview
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1-Day Return
‎-0.79%
1-Year Return
TESLA, INC.
TSLA
‎423.12
‎-3.29%

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AMZN
‎230.64
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DOW
DJI
‎48,525.46
‎-1.69%

Bitcoin
BTC
‎89,592.38
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Ethereum
ETH
‎2,994.91
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BNB
BNB
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S&P 500
INX
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AMC ENTERTAINMENT HOLDINGS, INC.
AMC
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Cardano
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GAMESTOP CORP.
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MICROSOFT CORPORATION
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XRP
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FORD MOTOR COMPANY
F
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US Oil WTI
USOIL
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Gold
Gold
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Tether USDt
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C_U_L8R

(49,117 posts)
3. Trump is serving up turd tacos.
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 02:15 PM
Jan 20

Can the Davos poobahs just take him to a back room and insert some sense in him… kinda like ice does.

Johonny

(25,752 posts)
12. I assume Bessent all shorted last week
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 02:44 PM
Jan 20

They letting the moron crash the market with tariff talks knowing the Supreme Court about to end that shit. Up or down, insiders make the money. We lose.

Johnny2X2X

(23,826 posts)
14. Well, I get my 401K bonus deposited into my account in a few days
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 02:50 PM
Jan 20

So this could help me.

It's like $5500 of the matching that goes in once a year in January. This year it goes in this Friday or next Monday. So buy low, this blows over, and it goes back up.

Aussie105

(7,722 posts)
26. I follow the Australian ASX200 closely.
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 04:35 PM
Jan 20

It's heading down too.

Not in shares myself, but my retirement piggy bank relies on it.

The downturn may be global.

I'm predicting a dismal few months ahead.

Both in the stock markets and the static Trump is creating in normal peoples' lives.

JMCKUSICK

(5,524 posts)
29. Unfortunately, the market is less than 600 points off its all time high.
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 04:55 PM
Jan 20

I wish business was ahead of the curve on Trump, but this really shows how in the bag they are for him.

If Biden had proposed attacking Greenland or removing fed governors etc, the market would let him know in no uncertain terms who's in charge, oligarchs. Proven ever single day by their inaction today.

IronLionZion

(50,999 posts)
32. Some of those oligarchs might be interested in the minerals and metals in Greenland
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 05:01 PM
Jan 20

and are a key part of the problem.

JMCKUSICK

(5,524 posts)
34. Right, but at the expense of blowing up an 80 year old world order?
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 05:07 PM
Jan 20

Do they really forget the greatest detriment to befall any and all oligarchs?

He fell from a window.
He died of a hunger strike.
He was poisoned.

Of course they all think they're special.

Fil1957

(625 posts)
31. If the stock market keeps falling, it could save our country. A falling stock market seems to be the only thing that
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 04:59 PM
Jan 20

restrains Trump.

MichMan

(16,874 posts)
37. Where is the DOW now compared to 1 year ago?
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 06:15 PM
Jan 20

It was 44,000 on 1/21/25. People who have retirement funds in the stock market are still way ahead for the last year.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EDJI/history/

SunSeeker

(57,885 posts)
38. When Biden took office it was 31,188.38. Biden saved my retirement fund.
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 10:51 PM
Jan 20

Trump has cost me a lot of money in higher Healthcare and grocery prices. My healthcare premiums went up 40% (an increase of over $400 PER MONTH) on January 1. That has totally wiped out any of the small gains in my retirement account over the last year.

I am not "way ahead for the last year," MichMan, for fuck's sake.





edhopper

(37,171 posts)
43. Anyone not seeing we are in for an epic collapse
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 09:25 AM
Jan 21

is not paying attention to all the economic indicators.
80% of the current run up is an AI bubble.

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