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choie

(6,801 posts)
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 08:45 PM Jan 20

Why haven't Europeans learned anything from WW2?

It's just incredible to me that some of the head of these governments who were victims of Hitler and the German terror machine are too scared to stand up to this miscreant. Why has Carney agreed to participate in the "Board of Peace"? Why is Macron hemming and hawing. What happened to moral courage and strength in numbers? It is absolutely a travesty that they are not heeding the lessons of the 30's and 40's.

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True Dough

(26,117 posts)
1. I'm guessing that Carney
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 08:47 PM
Jan 20

wants to ensure that there's some sanity at the table. His voice might get drowned out, but he can plot with others to try to control some aspects of what ensues, or sound the alarm right away if things go off the rails.

Rock and a hard place.

True Dough

(26,117 posts)
5. Actually, Trump has been known to be swayed by all kinds of people
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 09:04 PM
Jan 20

He has, at times, sung the praises of Zelenskyy and Mamdani after meeting with them. He can be influenced by whoever is in his ear last because he's not a strong independent thinker.

choie

(6,801 posts)
7. You really think he's been influenced
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 10:53 PM
Jan 20

by Zelenskyy and Mamdani? What, maybe first the first 10 minutes. But there's no proof that it lasts longer than that. He has no moral compass whatsoever.

True Dough

(26,117 posts)
14. Oh, there's no question that Trump lacks a moral compass.
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 05:30 AM
Jan 21

Again, that's why it's imperative that those with integrity try to influence the direction of future decisions. Carney expressed that strikingly in his speech at the World Economic Forum.

"Middle powers must act together because if you are not at the table, you are on the menu," Carney said.

The alternative to being at the table is to become the prey.

bdamomma

(69,354 posts)
3. or any other
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 08:57 PM
Jan 20

wars that the US participated in. Who's next Greenland??? Cause the overgrown toddler did not get his Nobel Peace Prize??? If he goes into Greenland that's invasion.

Fiendish Thingy

(22,460 posts)
6. You are misinformed
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 10:39 PM
Jan 20

Unless something has changed in the last couple of hours, Carney hasn’t committed to pay the 1 billion for a seat on Trump’s Board of Peace.

And Macron has firmly declined Trump’s invitation, and is spearheading the move to activate the EU’s “anti-coercion trade bazooka”.

I’m not sure where you got the notion that Europeans weren’t standing up to Trump,

Initech

(107,985 posts)
8. And the PM of Denmark has said that Denmark and NATO will go to war with Trump to protect Greenland.
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 11:04 PM
Jan 20

I also heard the PM of Germany say that they would cut off their support for US military bases on US soil.

Fiendish Thingy

(22,460 posts)
9. Yeah, no wishy-washiness from European leaders that I can see
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 11:09 PM
Jan 20

Well, the Fascist Meloni is exhibiting “diplomatic patience”, but otherwise, most of leaders are in the process of getting their political, economic and military ducks in a row for an effective coordinated response to whatever comes next.

moondust

(21,257 posts)
12. Perhaps some are trying to tiptoe
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 12:28 AM
Jan 21

around El Sicko hoping to get through these four years without igniting the lunatic with nuclear codes. They know he's dangerous.

Justice matters.

(9,557 posts)
13. They did not forget.
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 02:50 AM
Jan 21

Never Forget has been forgotten by 30% of America, though, or they never heard of it in schools, when it was time for them to learn how to Never Forget.

If that had been the case, the peace of shit would not be dicktator and the world would not be on the verge of WWIII...

What happened? Not taught in third grade?


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