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BeyondGeography

(40,933 posts)
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 10:04 AM Jan 21

The worst part of that speech for me was when he said that NATO has never and would never answer the call for the US

Which as we all know is not only false (the only time Article 5 was invoked was after 9/11 and 18 European countries came to our aid in Afghanistan) but the country who suffered the most in terms of human casualties is the very country he is targeting now, Denmark.

One of the most disgusting things about being a thinking American under Trump is the lies.

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The worst part of that speech for me was when he said that NATO has never and would never answer the call for the US (Original Post) BeyondGeography Jan 21 OP
mainstream press continues to white wash it all. mucifer Jan 21 #1
And (most of) Congress is ignoring it. nilram Jan 21 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author DUMember24 Jan 21 #2
The ignorance, the lies and the gaslighting. littlemissmartypants Jan 21 #3
Another alternative response to gaslighting! Ray Bruns Jan 21 #5
Thanks Ray. I'll consider it when I get time. 🤓😉 littlemissmartypants Jan 21 #7
I want to make sure I wasn't telling you personally to fuck off. Ray Bruns Jan 21 #8
Damn. Now I'm disappointed. Unfortunately, F off doesn't meet the assertive requirement. littlemissmartypants Jan 21 #9
What is the... druidity33 Jan 22 #40
On the recommendations of the counseling center responsible for creating the graphic. littlemissmartypants Jan 22 #41
I still don't understand... druidity33 Jan 22 #42
Or shot. littlemissmartypants Jan 22 #43
Thanks for the excellent graphic, pants. yellow dahlia Jan 21 #24
My pleasure, yd. Thank you. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Jan 22 #33
I spent some time working popsdenver Jan 21 #28
In my instance... littlemissmartypants Jan 22 #34
Thanks for sharing lmsp popsdenver Jan 22 #45
Thank you, popsdenver. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Jan 22 #46
This deserves its own post, lmsp! Clear and concise. Bookmarked. Clouds Passing Jan 22 #44
❤️ littlemissmartypants Jan 22 #47
Trump's lips were moving so you know it's a lie. Ray Bruns Jan 21 #4
As if Farmer-Rick Jan 21 #6
An ignorant idiot who thinks he's a genius. surfered Jan 21 #10
The worst part for me was he did not drop dead in the middle... Moostache Jan 21 #11
Save a seat for me. calimary Jan 21 #12
"I want to watch him die in a public collapse." 3catwoman3 Jan 21 #18
Yes, may he die instantly. Wednesdays Jan 21 #19
Speaking of "standing back and doing nothing...." AZ8theist Jan 21 #29
I've never wanted to see anyone die. It's horrible. But... AllyCat Jan 21 #31
It was an insult to all the countries that showed up for US and lost citizens in Afghanistan Bev54 Jan 21 #13
Thank you BeyondGeography Jan 21 #14
Widows and their kids. Justice matters. Jan 21 #20
It is a shameful lie. Martin68 Jan 21 #15
He is an evil demonic malignancy on the world, goddamnit! LymphocyteLover Jan 21 #16
Another disturbing attribute of life in the Trump era PJMcK Jan 21 #17
Proving once again what a fucking idiot he is Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 21 #21
Agreed. Such an ignorant, self-serving a-hole. Evolve Dammit Jan 21 #23
Agree 100% The Revolution Jan 21 #25
He's a psychopath. I'm unequivocal in that conclusion and he is in his exhibition of the support of my stance. littlemissmartypants Jan 22 #35
He is wrong, of course. The ONLY time NATO invoked Article 5 was immediately following 911. SheltieLover Jan 21 #26
Disgust Marvin Jones Jan 21 #27
He's not alone and that is a big part of our problem. littlemissmartypants Jan 22 #36
I will never get over the horror of all this. viva la Jan 21 #30
Canada was 3rd in casualties behind the UK and he's going after Canada Jarqui Jan 21 #32
As a psychopath, his behavior is typical and predictable. littlemissmartypants Jan 22 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 22 #38
For me, it's the ignorance Betty Boom Jan 22 #39
The real question is why? peggysue2 Jan 22 #48

Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

littlemissmartypants

(32,802 posts)
9. Damn. Now I'm disappointed. Unfortunately, F off doesn't meet the assertive requirement.
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 11:13 AM
Jan 21

Does work as an aggressive reply though. If you want to get confrontational with whoever is abusing you.

druidity33

(6,878 posts)
40. What is the...
Thu Jan 22, 2026, 07:50 AM
Jan 22

"assertive requirement"? Before i quit one of my jobs under a constantly gaslighting kitchen manager i told him, "You're an asshole and always have been. Everyone here knows how incompetent you are. Thanks for nothing" Did that meet any kind of "requirement"?



druidity33

(6,878 posts)
42. I still don't understand...
Thu Jan 22, 2026, 08:02 AM
Jan 22

do you mean that only the responses in the graphic are acceptable? Or does the requirement have to do with causing antagonism with a statement or something? Because i gotta say, none of those responses are likely to work in a non-partner gaslighting relationship. I am in favor of using a collection of words that will most expediently remove myself permanently from said gaslighters authority and purview. "Fuck you asshole!" with a walk away seems perfectly fine to me, assuming you are not going to get bludgeoned when you turn your back on the gaslighter.



littlemissmartypants

(32,802 posts)
43. Or shot.
Thu Jan 22, 2026, 08:21 AM
Jan 22

I didn't produce the graphic. And I'm not going to critique your behavior.

Having healthy relationships, went possible, is always the preferred option when trying to work and live in society. I personally prefer to build relationships when possible or give the gift of my absence to those who don't understand that. It's a waste of my life to otherwise engage.

The exchange you are reacting to is specifically between Ray Bruns and me.

popsdenver

(1,857 posts)
28. I spent some time working
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 05:12 PM
Jan 21

at a battered women shelter, and the battered women would all quote their husbands/boyfriends as saying:

If you don't say this or that, I won't have to beat you......it's all YOUR fault I do it...........

One of the counselors told me that most of the work is directed at the woman, who think they deserve it, just like their mothers who were also abused......She said if they can't get through the message that it is NOT them, but him, they will go right back into that relationship, or one similar, because that is what they have been conditioned to thinking/believing all their lives....

littlemissmartypants

(32,802 posts)
34. In my instance...
Thu Jan 22, 2026, 04:38 AM
Jan 22

I'm very thankful that I had an epiphany. I never got any rest, I was hiding injuries. Crying all the way to work and all the way home. Toward the end , the sound of duck hunter's guns across the branch had me thinking, "If I only had a gun."

He kept telling me repeatedly that he didn't like the smell of my shampoo. So, I kept trying different shampoos. One day I opened the bathroom cabinet and counted 13 different bottles under the sink. He had not thrown any away (typical because he was a cheapskate) and I realized that it didn't matter how many times I changed shampoo, he was going to blame me. It was not me, it was him and if I didn't get out of there soon ...

In the 80's police were still always prioritizing the husband's case and overwhelmingly subjugated the wife. Even with visible injuries, holes in the walls and escalation with every call made by me and the neighbors, he was who they believed. I was the problem.

That day I realized that I couldn't change a thing about myself and make him happy. He was sick. In less than a year, one thing at a time, I secretly planned my escape.

Unfortunately, even then he found me. The emotional abuse and destructive abuse of my home, my property and my family continued until I was able to transfer to another position in another state and I won't say more here but that trauma never really goes away. I was lucky that day. I saw the light, under the bathroom sink.

popsdenver

(1,857 posts)
45. Thanks for sharing lmsp
Thu Jan 22, 2026, 12:05 PM
Jan 22

The outside your body scars and bruises go away, but the ones to your soul never do, (without some psychotherapy).....

My nightmare existence started when I was a young boy of 5, and didn't end until I finally ran away from home.
Often the emotional battering is worse than the physical battering....although they go hand in hand, along with the third kind of abuse.......

I will keep you in my thoughts, and let your goodness shine, with everything you do........

Farmer-Rick

(12,532 posts)
6. As if
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 11:06 AM
Jan 21

As if pedo Trump knows what answering the call means. He never did it, never, ever in his entire life. His father never did. His German descents never did. Just another Trumped up lie.

Moostache

(11,094 posts)
11. The worst part for me was he did not drop dead in the middle...
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 11:17 AM
Jan 21

I want to watch him die in a public collapse. I want to see the light go out of his eyes and roll back into his empty head. I want to watch people stand back and DO NOTHING while he gasps his last breath. THAT was the worst part of the series of incoherent lies and nonsense gibberish our national shame poured out of his festering gob.

Die Trump, do it now, do it on camera and do it so that I can watch it on an endless loop of replays from every possible angle.

3catwoman3

(28,879 posts)
18. "I want to watch him die in a public collapse."
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 01:20 PM
Jan 21

As do I. If he is found dead in bed, you know his worshippers will be sure that our side offed him in some way.

My preferred scenario is for him to be struck by lightning while on one of his golf courses.

Wednesdays

(21,904 posts)
19. Yes, may he die instantly.
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 01:25 PM
Jan 21

No way would I want him to linger in pain and discomfort. And to die slowly, in agony. No way.

AllyCat

(18,655 posts)
31. I've never wanted to see anyone die. It's horrible. But...
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 08:03 PM
Jan 21

would watch this one and feel humanity finally got a win.

Bev54

(13,320 posts)
13. It was an insult to all the countries that showed up for US and lost citizens in Afghanistan
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 11:25 AM
Jan 21

This is some bullshit, when you think some people might like you, but you really only want to make enemies, not friends

PJMcK

(24,889 posts)
17. Another disturbing attribute of life in the Trump era
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 12:29 PM
Jan 21

The media is spineless. They NEVER challenge his lies or historical misstatements.

Pathetic especially since the same media was relentless in the negative stories about President Biden. Yet all we hear from these so-called journalists is crickets.

The Revolution

(885 posts)
25. Agree 100%
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 05:00 PM
Jan 21

Is he ignorant or just an asshole? I guess both, but does he really not know about this? Or he does know and just want to piss people off?

littlemissmartypants

(32,802 posts)
35. He's a psychopath. I'm unequivocal in that conclusion and he is in his exhibition of the support of my stance.
Thu Jan 22, 2026, 04:57 AM
Jan 22

Everyone needs to learn and know how to identify a psychopath. They make up 30% of the general population in the US. Even more exist in power positions in politics and business.

Unfortunately, he's not a lone wolf.

Folks keep wondering why we have 30% of the population that's so deranged and as undemocratic as recalcitrant...

I'd like to offer a suggestion:

Stats on Psychopaths

Psychopathy is a very common
mental disorder. It is twice as
common as schizophrenia,
anorexia, and bipolar disorder.
It is equally common as bulimia,
panic disorder, and autism.
The only mental disorders
significantly more common than
psychopathy are substance abuse
or dependence, depression, and
post-traumatic stress disorder.

Psychopathy affects all
ethnic, cultural, racial,
and socioeconomic groups.

...psychopathy
is a spectrum disorder,

Prevalence in the United States
Approximately 70% of the
population is estimated to
have no psychopathic traits
whatsoever.

Key Point
👇👇👇👇👇👇
The remaining
30% have low, medium, or
high levels of psychopathy.

Source:
https://psychopathyis.org/stats/


Characteristics of Psychopaths

1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
2. Complete absence of conscience and empathy
3. Very adept at manipulating others
4. Willingness to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
5. Willingness to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
8. Willingness to use intimidation and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
9. Willingness to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
11. Rationalization of their own immoral behavior
12. Will attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own conduct
13. Denial, will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of their fellow beings
15. Pathological lying, will say anything without any concern for truth to advance their own hidden agendas
16. Ablity to feign [fake] normal human emotions and empathy
17. Distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
18. Total failure to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
19. Strong bellef that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior


*psychopath indicates that the disorder has a genetic basis, sociopath, that the basis is societal. I'm unequivocal in my stance because of his familial history and because of the expanded knowledge of the genetics of mental health disorders that supports the notion. He has benefited (his pathology is exacerbated and sustained) from and by the support for his psychopathic personality by the many other psychopaths that exist among us in the US population.

Marvin Jones

(30 posts)
27. Disgust
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 05:12 PM
Jan 21

As someone who served under NATO Command, there are no words to adequately convey my feelings. So, I have been apologizing to our Allies and trying to light a fire under my Representative and two Senators to get rid of this creature pretending to be human.

littlemissmartypants

(32,802 posts)
36. He's not alone and that is a big part of our problem.
Thu Jan 22, 2026, 05:08 AM
Jan 22
Folks keep wondering why we have 30% of the population that's so deranged and as undemocratic as recalcitrant...

I'd like to offer a suggestion:

Stats on Psychopaths

Psychopathy is a very common
mental disorder. It is twice as
common as schizophrenia,
anorexia, and bipolar disorder.
It is equally common as bulimia,
panic disorder, and autism.
The only mental disorders
significantly more common than
psychopathy are substance abuse
or dependence, depression, and
post-traumatic stress disorder.

Psychopathy affects all
ethnic, cultural, racial,
and socioeconomic groups.

...psychopathy
is a spectrum disorder,

Prevalence in the United States
Approximately 70% of the
population is estimated to
have no psychopathic traits
whatsoever.

Key Point
👇👇👇👇👇👇
The remaining
30% have low, medium, or
high levels of psychopathy.

Source:
https://psychopathyis.org/stats/


Characteristics of Psychopaths

1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
2. Complete absence of conscience and empathy
3. Very adept at manipulating others
4. Willingness to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
5. Willingness to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
8. Willingness to use intimidation and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
9. Willingness to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
11. Rationalization of their own immoral behavior
12. Will attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own conduct
13. Denial, will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of their fellow beings
15. Pathological lying, will say anything without any concern for truth to advance their own hidden agendas
16. Ablity to feign [fake] normal human emotions and empathy
17. Distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
18. Total failure to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
19. Strong bellef that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior


*psychopath indicates that the disorder has a genetic basis, sociopath, that the basis is societal. I'm unequivocal in my stance because of his familial history and because of the expanded knowledge of the genetics of mental health disorders that supports the notion. He has benefited (his pathology is exacerbated and sustained) from and by the support for his psychopathic personality by the many other psychopaths that exist among us in the US population.

I'm sure that you already know much of this. But I can't stop sharing. Thank you for trying to light a fire, Marvin Jones. It only takes a spark. ❤️

viva la

(4,543 posts)
30. I will never get over the horror of all this.
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 06:01 PM
Jan 21

Every time he speaks, he says something that is indescribably wrong and corrupt and perverse.
His dementia and insanity and downright badness are destroying our country-- and no one around him cares enough to stop him.
Every day it gets worse and worse.

Jarqui

(10,857 posts)
32. Canada was 3rd in casualties behind the UK and he's going after Canada
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 09:59 PM
Jan 21

Trump's lying is so bad it is embarrassing to the species

littlemissmartypants

(32,802 posts)
37. As a psychopath, his behavior is typical and predictable.
Thu Jan 22, 2026, 05:11 AM
Jan 22

Unfortunately, he's not a lone wolf.

Folks keep wondering why we have 30% of the population that's so deranged and as undemocratic as recalcitrant...

I'd like to offer a suggestion:

Stats on Psychopaths

Psychopathy is a very common
mental disorder. It is twice as
common as schizophrenia,
anorexia, and bipolar disorder.
It is equally common as bulimia,
panic disorder, and autism.
The only mental disorders
significantly more common than
psychopathy are substance abuse
or dependence, depression, and
post-traumatic stress disorder.

Psychopathy affects all
ethnic, cultural, racial,
and socioeconomic groups.

...psychopathy
is a spectrum disorder,

Prevalence in the United States
Approximately 70% of the
population is estimated to
have no psychopathic traits
whatsoever.

Key Point
👇👇👇👇👇👇
The remaining
30% have low, medium, or
high levels of psychopathy.

Source:
https://psychopathyis.org/stats/


Characteristics of Psychopaths

1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
2. Complete absence of conscience and empathy
3. Very adept at manipulating others
4. Willingness to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
5. Willingness to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
8. Willingness to use intimidation and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
9. Willingness to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
11. Rationalization of their own immoral behavior
12. Will attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own conduct
13. Denial, will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of their fellow beings
15. Pathological lying, will say anything without any concern for truth to advance their own hidden agendas
16. Ablity to feign [fake] normal human emotions and empathy
17. Distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
18. Total failure to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
19. Strong bellef that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior


*psychopath indicates that the disorder has a genetic basis, sociopath, that the basis is societal. I'm unequivocal in my stance because of his familial history and because of the expanded knowledge of the genetics of mental health disorders that supports the notion. He has benefited (his pathology is exacerbated and sustained) from and by the support for his psychopathic personality by the many other psychopaths that exist among us in the US population.

Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

Betty Boom

(410 posts)
39. For me, it's the ignorance
Thu Jan 22, 2026, 06:54 AM
Jan 22

It’s his complete ignorance of history and government. His fourth grade vocabulary. He’s like that drunk at the end of the bar just spouting off crap confidently like the blowhard he is, and everything he says shows his ignorance.

peggysue2

(12,441 posts)
48. The real question is why?
Thu Jan 22, 2026, 12:39 PM
Jan 22

Trump is an infamous serial liar. But he's also an ignorant serial liar. He knows nothing about American history or world history. He makes it up on the fly.

Add that to his early declaration:

Don't trust anything you read, see or hear. Trust only me. Only I can fix it.

Set it to music and it's the Cult's anthem.

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