If we let ratfuckers like Sam Seder lead us around, we can expect the same result he fought for last election

[bigtree]

...Seder thought it was clever to cut and past remarks by our Senate Democratic leader and claim that Schumer was providing some kind of cover for Lutnick at an event that Trump's commerce secretary crashed in an attempt to make it look like it was Trump who had made the groundbreaking that brought thousands of jobs to New York, instead of President Biden who signed the CHIPS and Science Act, an initiative which Chuck Schumer had an large hand in initiating and advancing into law.

...Seder is not only misrepresenting the event, he's LYING about Schumer, who contradicted Lutnick at the event and gave credit to Pres. Biden for making it possible.


After years of delay, Micron broke ground on its semiconductor manufacturing facility in Clay Friday. Notable speakers included U.S. Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick, Gov. Kathy Hochul and Sens. Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand. Leonardo Eriman | Senior Staff Photographer

...it's about jobs for New York, Who here is opposed to the CHIPS Act and the jobs it's helping create in states like the senators'?

Who is railing against this Democratic initiative, or actually thinks Lutnick is responsible for it? They need to educate themselves.

Schumer actually CONTRADICTED Lutnick in his remarks, not praise or support:

The project’s groundbreaking ceremony, held at White Pine Commerce Park, marked the beginning of Micron’s $100 billion investment in central New York. The Clay facility is part of Micron’s broader plan to invest $200 billion in semiconductor manufacturing across the U.S.

During ceremonious remarks, Micron CEO Sanjay Mehrotra touted the investment as one of the largest private manufacturing investments in U.S. history, expected to create 9,000 direct jobs and thousands more indirect jobs over the next 20 years.

“We’re here today because of the core drive from President Trump,” Lutnick said. “This groundbreaking only got scheduled at the end of December because of the Trump administration.”

Schumer, however, praised the federal CHIPS and Science Act passed under former President Joe Biden as a key factor in Micron’s commitment to central New York. Schumer said the legislation helped allow the federal government to “unlock billions of dollars” in incentives for semiconductor facilities.

“There’s a real future here, a real future in tech manufacturing,” Schumer said after the ceremony. “Have faith in central New York.”

https://dailyorange.com/2026/01/after-years-of-delay-micron-breaks-ground-on-100b-clay-facility/

Seder is not only trying to distract from this landmark DEMOCRATIC achievement, but he's demagoguing Schumer like he demagogued Biden, Harris, and Schumer on Gaza.

That isn't Democratic advocacy, it's the same kind of ratfucking Seder did in the presidential election.

Seder's take is patently false. He misrepresented the event and Schumer's statement to demagogue him and the Democratic party, again. Seder's take is a lie, and doesn't deserve any Democrat's support.

[BeyondGeography]

1. Absolute bullshit

The clip you are referring to was made by a student journalist from Syracuse named Luc Radel who THANKS Seder for using it on his show:

Link to tweet

?s=20

Are you saying this kid is in on a cut-and-paste job with Seder?

You should self-delete.

[bigtree]

2. fuck the clip

...look at the fucking event.

It's not as described at all.

Schumer did not cover for Lutnick, he contradicted him when he tried to credit Trump for the jobs created which were a actually result of Schumer and Biden's efforts, not Trump's or Lutnick who had crashed the event.

Why don't you address that falsity instead of defending the idiots who misrepresented the Dem Leader?

He fucking cut and pasted the event to make it look like what they claimed. Don't excuse Seder for posting it. The person who made it isn't the problem, it's the ratfucker with a popular platform pushing it as legitimate.

[BeyondGeography]

4. And thanks for giving me the chance to clear this up in a separate thread

People can judge for themselves.

[bigtree]

5. you didn't clear anything up by defending Seder

...supposing some anon clip would get anyone's notice without the ratfucker finding it and promoting it.

[lostincalifornia]

6. the hate for Schumer expressed by some won't stop the misinformation. Just look how many are too willing to

applaud the threads with that misinformation, while ignoring what actually HAPPENED AT THE EVENT.

It is very sad.

[bigtree]

7. it's infuriating to me at this point

...it's the exact behavior that lost us the last election.

The very same.

[lostincalifornia]

8. I am afraid that many people are "sheep-like", easily led into false conclusions without insuring its verdacity.

[Bluetus]

33. It is way too late to be defending schumer. That ship sailed a long time ago.

[bigtree]

43. lol

...it's actually 'too late' to be tearing down the people we managed to elect.

How does any of that fit in with organizing a Democratic majority?

[Bluetus]

53. The first step is acknowledging we have a problem

We will never have a governing majority with leadership that keeps cutting the legs out from under those who are trying to speak for the vast majority of Americans.

It takes either
- 60 Dem Senators not counting the Fettermans, Sinemas, Mahchins
or else
- a POTUS plus 50 Dem Senators who will abolish the filibuster rule
to have a governing majority.

You show me a path to that under Schumer and I'll sit down and shut up.

[bigtree]

54. stupid people voting for a convicted felon

...need professional mental help.

Not in my wheelhouse.

[Bluetus]

56. Stupid people voting for a convicted felon need

to have an option that they don't think is just as bad. Majorities of 60%, 70%, even sometimes 80% agree with where we say we stand on the issues. That isn't the problem. The problem is that they don't trust us to do any of that. And generally speaking, we don't because we lack the leadership and discipline to actually deliver what the people want.

I mean, do you really think we can't do better than Cuellar in general?

And in a moment when the whole country is being invaded by lawless ICE Gestapo -- I promise you millions of non-Democrats are understanding this -- how it is possible that our leadership lays out the red carpet for yet ANOTHER ICE budget allocation? How is that even possible? What planet are these people living on?

This is why people hate the Democrats just as much as they hate Trump. The first step to recover is acknowledging we have a problem.

[bigtree]

57. "why people hate the Democrats just as much as they hate Trump?'

...what in the actual fuck is that?

It's definitely not 'Support Democrats.'

[Bluetus]

58. It ABSOLUTELY IS supporting the cause of Democrats

We can't afford to keep making all the same mistakes that have steadily taken us completely out of power over the span of 30 years.

I want a governing majority. What do you want? It sounds like you want more of the status quo. We are never going to agree on that.

I want criminals like Cuellar out of our party. I want the always-conciliatory leadership to step aside and hand the leadership over to the strong Democrats who can get things done.

Need I point out that > 95% of House Democrats were ready to take a strong stand against Noem and her Gestapo, but this failed because the leader wouldn't raise a finger to bring the 6 laggards along? Is this what you call leadership? Not in my book.

If the leaders tried hard and failed, I can live with that. It is totally unacceptable to have then not even trying, and then have to hear people at this forum praising their strategic absence.

[bigtree]

60. well, make certain the effort doesn't result in a deficit

...addition, not subtraction, to organize a majority.

[Bluetus]

61. I get your point, but I don't agree

We can't get there from here, at least not in a straight line.

Every time Sinema or Manchin kneecapped the party, it hurt ALL DEMOCRATS. We are better off with both of them gone, even though that cost net 1 seat. That is to say, if it weren't for Fetterman stepping into the void and Schumer being so prone to capitulation, we would be showing America a clear picture of what Democrats are fighting for, and be in a better position to pick up 5 Senate seats.

The same can be said about those in the House who voted against accountability for DHS yesterday. We have tens of thousands of beautiful people in Minnesota rallying two days in a row in sub-zero temps, while in DC, Democrats can't be bothered to cast a simple vote against this fascism? WTF?

> 95% DID do the right thing, but we were screwed once again but this goddamned "open tent" mentality and complete absence of leadership. This is terrible for the Democratic brand. It is doing massive damage at the point when we need to be presenting the strongest version ever of our party, because we all need a huge wave in November. It really pisses me off when leadership doesn't do their part to fly the Democratic flag, so to speak.

[bigtree]

63. they were quasi republicans

...but remember that even in that majority we were able to do many productive things, like chair committees, advance legislation out of them to the floor for votes, subpoena perps, and a number of other abilities that a minority doesn't possess.

So, take care.

[Bluetus]

65. Agreed. But NONE of those things matter when we lose our Constitution and rule of law

We cannot keep thinking about little tactical wins. This really is the Final Countdown, so to speak. If we lose this, we won't regain a real democracy in my remaining years (25 of them if I beat the odds).

[bigtree]

66. we need to organize a majority, period

...anything less leaves us unprotected.

We're all witnessed to that today.

[Bluetus]

67. That requires the "big tent" people to put their agendas aside.

[bigtree]

68. I go back to that majority you want

...the party is a coalition of interests.

Our members would caucus and organize their majority around their Democratic agenda and produce legislation related to that out of committees to the floor to vote on.

We've passed landmark legislation with a 'big tent' throughout decades, often in slim majorities.

Remember Obamacare and the way we organized that through reconciliation? That happened with both progressive caucus members and blue dogs voting together.

I get that you want the ideal. It's basically the brass ring for so many of us. But that's now how elections have worked out. We've advanced progressive changes through our Democratic majorities and presidencies myriad times, many of them landmark and monumental.

It's what Democrats do. Not perfect; not in lockstep, because, we're not a cult; but as a coalition of like interests who know how to move the country forward.

All of that happened over my lifetime under our 'big tent,' notwithstanding what we've yet to accomplish.

[Bluetus]

69. We cannot get that majority when 5% of our caucus is free to sabotage the efforts of 95%

30 years ago, 50% of the public identified as Democrats. Today, only 25% identify Dem. That's not because their political philosophy changed. It is because they think we can't make good on any of our promises.

We cannot get to a governing majority until we have leadership that can hold people together enough to deliver the results that Americans want.

I really don't understand how you think we are going to get to 60 Senators without having much stronger leadership and much better message clarity and much better discipline. And God forbid we should have a "litmus test" that any Senate candidate must be willing to end the archaic filibuster rule.

[bigtree]

70. that has nothing to do with the voting

...vote for the party that's not associated with the criminal gangster in the WH.

It's not hard.

[Bluetus]

71. You are denying reality

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It is a fact that issue polls show the public strongly on the side of progressive ideas that Democrats like to associate ourselves with. But it is also the fact that over the past 30-40 years, HALF the people who once proudly identified as Democrats no longer are willing to do that. And as a consequence, our elections tend to end up very close to 50/50 all over the place now.

Messaging is important. Branding is important.

You can't have effective messaging and banding if the PRODUCT does not support that. And when 5% of the party is free to F things up for the 95%, that's all it takes to ruin the brand.

I have often been critical of Pelosi, but there is no way she would have let this debacle happen this past week. Not a chance. She would have locked down those votes and forced Johnson to make some serious concessions, clipping the wings of ICE. Instead, we got nothing, at least from the House. There is still a chance that we can do better in the Senate, but the House is where we should have the most leverage -- with even a tiny sliver of leadership.

[bigtree]

72. it's a binary choice between a man and a party that's either trying to own you or kill you

...to get what THEY want, and Democrats who dependably advance progressive initiatives through the legislature in a Democratic majority.

Look at the polling. Americans know this.

Moreover, Democrats have been GAINING seats in the off elections, flipping several previously solid republican seats.

In 2025, Democrats Flipped 21 Percent of GOP-Held Legislative Seats
The party secured strong gains reminiscent of 2017, our annual review of state legislative results shows. They won multiple new seats in New Jersey, Virginia, Iowa, and Mississippi.
https://boltsmag.org/legislative-elections-results-2025/


Deep red and swing states making election flip to Democrats indicate Trump’s plunging popularity
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/07/democrats-state-local-elections

...those gains didn't come out of thin air.

Just as the elected officials who critics claim can't compete with republicans; nonetheless, have ALREADY fought and won actual campaigns against republicans to get where they are - so are these Democrats winning off-year elections and flipping republican seats currently the best measure of the appeal of Democratic 'messaging.'

Beyond the empirical and the very necessary aspirational expectations, Democrats are currently succeeding.

To obtain a majority:

Vote for the Democratic nominee. Support Democrats.

Addition, not subtraction.

[Bluetus]

73. If all voters were like you and me, there would be no problem

But they aren't. Most are more concerned about their fantasy football or their kid's soccer or the romantic date they are trying to get or the new car they can't quite afford or how I'm going to pay the electric bill or who is getting into the baseball hall of fame or my kid's bad grades at school or a new wardrobe or the boss that hates me or that book I've always wanted to write of what Jesus is telling me in my sleep or whatever.

Most people just don't rank civics very high in their life's priorities. And that is why we must be powerful and clear. Democrats have been neither, truly, since Kennedy and LBJ. And when 7 Democrats pull the shit they did last week, that just encourages the apathetic masses to say, "Yeah, both parties are the same."

It doesn't take much to foul the brand.

[bigtree]

74. most people don't like to be subjected to bondage, thievery, and abuse at the hands of their government

...and will shake it off at the earliest opportunity.

Support the Democratic nominee - not the sadistic megalomaniac and his grifting enablers in Congress.

Argue the rest from the elevation and legislative vehicle of a Democratic majority.

[MineralMan]

16. I completely agree.

It's almost like they're trying to make sure we lose. Very frustrating, to say the least.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

62. It's sickening.

[Cirsium]

10. The clip is the issue

Schumer had an opportunity to clear it up in a subsequent interview. He defended the remark. Many of us disagree with him. That is permitted among Democrats. It is a strength not a weakness. Bipartisan is what is weak and bipartisan is what has caused electoral losses. You may disagree with that statement, but it is a legitimate position shared by many Democratic voters. Implying they are all somehow traitors to the cause is divisive.

[bigtree]

12. that's nonsense

...almost all of the news reports tell the truth about the event.

None except this ratfucker have made these false claims about Schumer covering for Lutnick. It's a lie and contradicted by what I bothered to post, so why talk about it in the abstract?

[Cirsium]

26. Disagree if you like

You may disagree with what I posted, but it isn't "nonsense." I didn't make a false claim and I am not lying, and it is inflammatory and destructive for you to characterize those with whom you disagree in those terms. Schumer defended his remarks, so I am not mischaracterizing what he said. I am disagreeing with him.

I have not said anything about Seder.

[bigtree]

27. you know I'm talking about the premise that Schumer covered here for Lutnick

...not surprised that you can't defend that claim by referencing the actual event.

Diverting to the edited clip isn't much of a defense of the lie.

[Cirsium]

29. Schumer thinks he did

Schumer apparently thinks he did. He justified it after the fact.

Yes, I know you are "talking about the premise that Schumer covered here for Lutnick." So am I. I think that he did over for Lutnick. Had a report been directing a tough question to a MAGA official and someone like Jim Jordan interrupted the reporter and blocked the question - thereby protecting the official - I am sure you would have a problem with that, yes?

[bigtree]

32. you've misrepresented the event and Schumer's remarks

...do what you want. I think it's sad.

[Cirsium]

34. We disagree

Can't you just accept that without throwing around accusations and insinuations?

Do you agree with blocking a reporter from asking a MAGA official a tough question?

Do you agree that there is a need for bipartisanship?

[bigtree]

36. I didn't claim you lied. I was talking about Seder

...I don't agree that he deliberately 'blocked a reporter from asking a MAGA official a tough question."

That interpretation is only remotely plausible by ignoring the actual import and history behind his FULL remarks, which you've completely ignored - the legislative history, the pushback on Lutnick, everything but this strained, false premise Seder is selling, the one you've apparently bought into.

It's not a difference of opinion. The notion that Schumer supported Lutnick being there in any way is absurd, except in this bizzaro internet world where ratfuckers like Seder present clipped sophistry, rather than lift a finger to actually support a Democratic majority.

They're anarchists who think tearing down the party is going to result is a fantastical realignment from the left. It's not only fantasy, it's destructive for the sake of just tearing the party down.

Why anyone still listens to these losers is beyond me.

[Cirsium]

38. Seder?

I haven't said anything about Seder. I am talking about Senator Schumer. I have no idea what Seder said.

[bigtree]

41. Seder provided the clip that we're all referencing

...keep up.

[Cirsium]

44. What difference does that make?

I understand you don't care for the messenger, Seder. The source, by the way, is Luke Radel on X.

[bigtree]

45. the true source is the event

...not the original ratfucker's edited clip.

[Cirsium]

49. Nothing new

The debate between progressive and conservative Democrats has been going on for decades. It didn't start with Seder.

[FHRRK]

14. Thanks for the clip

Seems pretty damn clear who is misrepresenting Schumer’s actions.

[bigtree]

20. it's not a full clip of the event. It's edited to make the bullshit claim

...and it leaves out where Sen. Schumer directly contradicted Lutnick when he claimed Trump had enabled it.

The project’s groundbreaking ceremony, held at White Pine Commerce Park, marked the beginning of Micron’s $100 billion investment in central New York. The Clay facility is part of Micron’s broader plan to invest $200 billion in semiconductor manufacturing across the U.S.

During ceremonious remarks, Micron CEO Sanjay Mehrotra touted the investment as one of the largest private manufacturing investments in U.S. history, expected to create 9,000 direct jobs and thousands more indirect jobs over the next 20 years.

“We’re here today because of the core drive from President Trump,” Lutnick said. “This groundbreaking only got scheduled at the end of December because of the Trump administration.”

Schumer, however, praised the federal CHIPS and Science Act passed under former President Joe Biden as a key factor in Micron’s commitment to central New York. Schumer said the legislation helped allow the federal government to “unlock billions of dollars” in incentives for semiconductor facilities.

“There’s a real future here, a real future in tech manufacturing,” Schumer said after the ceremony. “Have faith in central New York.”

https://dailyorange.com/2026/01/after-years-of-delay-micron-breaks-ground-on-100b-clay-facility/

[Cirsium]

52. Of course

Of course it's not a full clip of the event.

[awesomerwb1]

3. If Seder a Bernie bro by any chance?

[Cirsium]

9. No question

There is no question that Schumer gave Lutnick cover. You accuse others of misrepresenting what actually happened, but here you are conveniently ignoring the beginning of the video. Schumer interrupts a tough question from a reporter that was directed at Lutnick. Schumer ran interference for Lutnick, and defended doing so.

Schumer doesn't deny that. Later he said "today was a day for bipartisanship" when asked why he blocked the questioning of Lutnick.

You may think there is such a thing as a good day for bipartisanship, and you may approve of Schumer's commitment to that. But why not be honest about that and defend your position rather than attacking and maligning other Democrats who happen to disagree with you.

[bigtree]

13. that's just false.

....here's what was reported outside of that ratfucker's podcast:

Schumer actually CONTRADICTED Lutnick in his remarks, not praise or support:

The project’s groundbreaking ceremony, held at White Pine Commerce Park, marked the beginning of Micron’s $100 billion investment in central New York. The Clay facility is part of Micron’s broader plan to invest $200 billion in semiconductor manufacturing across the U.S.

During ceremonious remarks, Micron CEO Sanjay Mehrotra touted the investment as one of the largest private manufacturing investments in U.S. history, expected to create 9,000 direct jobs and thousands more indirect jobs over the next 20 years.

“We’re here today because of the core drive from President Trump,” Lutnick said. “This groundbreaking only got scheduled at the end of December because of the Trump administration.”

Schumer, however, praised the federal CHIPS and Science Act passed under former President Joe Biden as a key factor in Micron’s commitment to central New York. Schumer said the legislation helped allow the federal government to “unlock billions of dollars” in incentives for semiconductor facilities.

“There’s a real future here, a real future in tech manufacturing,” Schumer said after the ceremony. “Have faith in central New York.”

https://dailyorange.com/2026/01/after-years-of-delay-micron-breaks-ground-on-100b-clay-facility/

Seder is not only trying to distract from this landmark DEMOCRATIC achievement, but he's demagoguing Schumer like he demagogued Biden, Harris, and Schumer on Gaza.

That isn't Democratic advocacy, it's the same kind of ratfucking Seder did in the presidential election.

You don't believe Democrats should promote the results of their own legislative efforts? Jesus, what in the actual fuck?

[Cirsium]

23. Not much of a contradiction

Yes, Schumer "praised the federal CHIPS and Science Act passed under former President Joe Biden."

[bigtree]

24. Lutnick crashed the event to try and take credit.

...Schumer got the assignment.

Others, not so much.

[Cirsium]

28. So?

Yes, Lutnick crashed the event. When a reporter tried to grill him about his lying, Schumer stepped in, interrupted the reporter, and rescued Lutnick. No question.

Schumer later defended that, saying it was a day for bipartisanship. Many of us think that there should never be a day for bipartisanship with fascists running amok across the country.

[bigtree]

39. Schumer correctly pointed out that those weren't Democratic or republican jobs, they are American jobs

...and an example of the good that can be done when republicans reach across the aisle and support DEMOCRATIC initiative.

The bill that funded the groundbreaking and the potential jobs was bipartisan, with many republicans crossing over to vote for the DEMOCRATIC initiatives.

GOP lawmakers balk at Trump’s call to repeal CHIPS Act
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5178662-trump-chips-act-repeal-gop-senators/

That didn't make it a republican effort, but it wasn't a purely Democratically supported effort either. That's what Shumer referenced, the facts, and effectively cut off Lutnick from giving Trump all the credit,

I can guess why that's not obvious to you. I'd imagine just taking the word of a clickbait podcast post, and not bothering to look or understand what precipitated the event, not even looking at the actual event would make you vulnerable to the disinformation Seder is promoting.

I'm going to guess that's the case. More perplexing if you actually viewed the event and understood the context.

I'm resting my opinion of your views expressed here on that likelihood.

[Rob H.]

15. Exactly right, but blue MAGA is a thing so here we are nt

[betsuni]

11. Must keep audience outraged at Dems even when not in charge, no matter what. Any lie okay!

That's $how business. Lately everyone's hot & heavy hating Schumer and Jeffries, so pour it on. Remember, it's not a lie if it decreases support for Democrats. Solidarity!

[FHRRK]

17. Except it isn't a lie

I watched the short clip, Schumer provided cover for Lutnik.

I guess we could discuss how big of a deal it is, does it deserve outrage, but Chuck did what was represented.

Seems akin to the Leavitt tweet on Trump saying Iceland. It ain’t the reporters fault.

[bigtree]

19. he promoted the DEMOCRATIC legislation that enabled the event Lutnick was crashing

...and CONTRADICTED Lutnick, not covered for him.

It's an absolute lie that he did by remarking afterward that the jobs which advantage the Democratically provided funding in the CHIPS bill that SCHUMER got passed out of the Senate and signed into law by Pres. Biden aren't 'Democratic or republican jobs, but AMERICAN progress'

The project’s groundbreaking ceremony, held at White Pine Commerce Park, marked the beginning of Micron’s $100 billion investment in central New York. The Clay facility is part of Micron’s broader plan to invest $200 billion in semiconductor manufacturing across the U.S.

During ceremonious remarks, Micron CEO Sanjay Mehrotra touted the investment as one of the largest private manufacturing investments in U.S. history, expected to create 9,000 direct jobs and thousands more indirect jobs over the next 20 years.

“We’re here today because of the core drive from President Trump,” Lutnick said. “This groundbreaking only got scheduled at the end of December because of the Trump administration.”

Schumer, however, praised the federal CHIPS and Science Act passed under former President Joe Biden as a key factor in Micron’s commitment to central New York. Schumer said the legislation helped allow the federal government to “unlock billions of dollars” in incentives for semiconductor facilities.

“There’s a real future here, a real future in tech manufacturing,” Schumer said after the ceremony. “Have faith in central New York.”

https://dailyorange.com/2026/01/after-years-of-delay-micron-breaks-ground-on-100b-clay-facility/

...the cover here is Seder diverting from the actual substance of the event which can only serve to benefit this effort by Lutnick, curiously obscuring the fact that this is DEMOCRATIC legislation that enabled this groundbreaking.

This latest Seder ratfucking hides the fact that Lutnick crashed the event to try and take credit, which Sen. Schumer did not allow. You can plainly see that above in the actual news report that isn't a clipped distortion designed to bash the Democratic leader.

[bigtree]

18. old enough to remember Pres. Biden promoting his signing of the CHIPS Act that enabled this event

...it's amazing that people here don't have a clue about how bipartisan legislation advances Democratic initiatives and principles, supposing like they've just arrived in the political arena that contradicting a republican crashing an event and trying to usurp Democratic credit is some kind of cover for them.

It's only possible if you take Seder at his word that this happened. It's contradicted in EVERY other news report of the event, most of whom acknowledge in some way that Lutnick is full of it.

[mr715]

25. I don't know if it was IRA or BBB

But I remember Rep. Luna going on local news after she claimed credit for funding she voted against and said to the reporter, "Aren't you proud of me? Shouldn't you be proud of me?"

[bigtree]

31. that's exactly right

...it's why Lutnick was there to try and claim credit. It's their thing these days to lie about everything, but that was a pattern of behavior among republicans to take credit for Biden accomplishments.

But, even though Luna didn't vote for it, many republicans did.

The CHIPS and Science Act was indeed bipartisan, reflecting broad support from both parties in Congress., from John Cornyn (R-TX) to Mark Warner (D-VA).

I don't know why there's an objection from so many here about the simple sentence in which the Senator described the achievement in bipartisan, universal terms, AFTER he gave Pres. Biden and the Democratic party it's due.

It was pablum that correctly stated those are American jobs, not belonging to either party, but to the American people who benefit.

[ABC123Easy]

21. Couldn't disagree with you more

Sam Seder didn't lead us into the mess we're in now. Schumer did. I guess you'd lump Jon Stewart into this as well because of his criticism of Schumer?

You need to open your eyes. Schumer, as much as he done for us in the past, is just not up to the task currently.

[bigtree]

22. Schumer is responsible for ALL of the legislative accomplishments in the Senate in the Biden term

...ratfuckers like Seder complaining about him, and demagoguing on Gaza helped lose us that election.

What you're talking about here is Schumer's supposed responsibility in convincing voters like you and me that the convicted felon who promised to either own us or kill us was a poor choice in that election?

Who the fuck needed Schumer to convince them of that?

[betsuni]

30. The obsession that leaders must convince voters of things anyone with common sense knows

seems authoritarian.

[bigtree]

35. it's amazing how much they whine about these Democrats not convincing them to do what they should already recognize

...certainly they can't be claiming republicans are listening and taking heed of the Democratic leaders.

So they must be talking about themselves, that Schumer or Jeffries hasn't yet convinced THEM to support Democrats.

I think that's the biggest canard, that Democrats need to message Americans about how dangerus Trump and republicans are, as if that's not already self-evident.

The people who talk like that are obviously not paying attention to anything our leaders are saying or doing that they can't piggyback to distort and tear them down.

Just vote for Democrats and argue this shit in a majority. The fact that people calling for their removal aren't even talking about a Democratic majority, much less organizing for one, is extremely telling to me.

They're more interested with tearing down than building the party, and I think that's a goddamn shame, as well as a harbinger of a threat for the election season.

[betsuni]

47. Some might be misdirected anger because the promised political revolution.

The People would hear the truth for the first time at rallies all around the country, rise up in solidarity, Republicans would listen and right and left wing populists form an alliance and take over the Democratic Party, the true roadblock to progress.

Didn't happen. It's inconceivable that they were lied to or misinformed by those they trusted. Easier to direct all the rage punching down at Democrats, which is punching down the people. Believe or pretend to believe lies.

Next election season will be bad.

[bigtree]

50. the promises of anarchists

...hoping no one notices the destruction they just wrought with their backbitingbro nonsense.

[ABC123Easy]

40. Schumer

Is also responsible for all of the failures in the Senate as well which overwhelmingly outnumber the successes as of late.

Seder is onto the direction we need to go which is obviously AWAY from those like Schumer. It's a joke how out of touch and completely ineffective that Schumer is.

[bigtree]

42. what failure is Schumer supposed to be responsible for?

....achievements in the majority:

American Rescue Plan Act of 2021: Aims to provide immediate relief to the American people during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act: Focuses on improving infrastructure and economic growth.

Inflation Reduction Act of 2022: Aims to combat inflation and promote clean energy.

CHIPS and Science Act: Supports the development of semiconductor manufacturing and research.

Bipartisan Safer Communities Act: Aims to improve public safety and security.

Respect for Marriage Act: Protects the rights of same-sex couples to marry.

Gun Safety Legislation: Includes the Brady Bill for gun control and other measures to enhance gun safety.

Emergency Supplemental Funding: Provides financial assistance to states and communities in need.

U.S. Security Assistance for Ukraine: Supports Ukraine in its ongoing conflict.


Schumer wrote legislation to help consumers obtain affordable drugs.

In education, he sought legislation to make college tuition deductible for those who were paying it.

For his constituents who farmed, he fought for price supports for dairy farmers and crop growers.

He sponsored several initiatives, including the Violence Against Women Act, which combated domestic violence and sexual assault.

He also contributed to the Brady Bill which mandated background checks for handgun purchases.

He collaborated in the writing of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban and of the Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which organized data on crimes of bigotry and included provisions to assist federal authorities in their prosecution.

He was instrumental in creating legislation in the area of banking and finance focused on providing greater disclosure to credit card consumers. His work in this area resulted in better reporting of interest rates charged by credit card companies. A chart that includes this kind of information is printed on all credit statements and is often called the “Schumer box.”

From 2007 to 2008, Schumer served as chairman of the Joint Economic Committee, which oversees America’s economic policies. In that position, he chaired the first hearings in Congress that investigated the causes of the mortgage and financial crisis and its impact on American families and communities. He worked to secure resources for foreclosure prevention and helped to draft legislation designed to prevent some of the problems that had caused the mortgage crisis. He has also served on the Senate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee; on the Senate Judiciary Committee, for which he is chairman of the subcommittee on Immigration, Refugees, and Border Security; and on the Joint Committee on the Library.

He has crafted or supported legislation on the Consumer Product Safety Commission Reform Act, protecting consumers from hazardous or harmful products; a $2,500 college tuition tax credit for middle-class families; increased funding for state and local task forces dealing with Internet crimes against children; an economic recovery package, sending tax rebates to all Americans filing a tax return; a bill protecting children from online sexual predators by keeping convicted sex offenders off popular social networking sites; efforts to raise the minimum wage; a bill designed to strengthen the national criminal background check system in response to the shootings at the Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University.

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51. Hahaha

You can write as much as you want. If you claim Schumer is responsible for all of the successes under Biden which unfortunately you did, you opened yourself up to giving him credit for all of the failures as well. Your post is hilarious and wholly inadequate and inaccurate. You left out the failures.
I support Schumer in general, not obsequiosly as you do. Schumer is just not who we need going forwards. You shouldn't be attacking fellow Dems like Seder. Stop attacking fellow Dems.

You're going straight to my ignore list. Have a nice day.

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55. you're claiming he's responsible for the losses

...mirror.

And, see ya!

[Indykatie]

37. MAGA vs Leftists

The Republicans have MAGA as their extreme right. The leftists are our extreme wing. They spend more time bitching about traditional Democrats when they should be taking it to the GOP. They'd rather we run purists who have no chance to win a District race. I'm convinced that a more moderate Dem could have won the special election TN. Aftyn Behn had too much baggage and past political footprints.

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46. You can jump up and down and waive your arms and stamp your feet.

That still doesn’t change the fact Schumer pulled Lutnick’s bacon out of the fire for no good fucking reason.

Why run cover for that jagoff when an independent journalist asks the question? Let the asshole dangle with a shovel in his hands.


You are defending our leadership running cover for the trump administration for no good reason.

There’s is absolutely nothing to be gained by running cover for these assholes.

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48. you can't see from the distance you're looking at it

...that he interrupted Lutnick just as the Trump goon was going to claim the project was due to the efforts of Trump who opposed the legislation.

Schumer pointing out the fact that many republcans also supported the legislation, and that the jobs created didn't come with a Democratic or republican label is weak sauce for claiming he was covering for Lutnick. It's just false.

I'm chalking this dustup to a profound misunderstanding of the background to this event, and a zeal some have to tear the party leadership down.

Did the same folks criticizing this tepid mention of bipartisanship also slam the remarks of other Dem Senators, or even President Biden when they passed the bipartisan legislation that funded this project?

]The CHIPS and Science Act, which U.S. Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, introduced in 2021, passed as a rare example of bipartisanship, with 17 Republicans voting for it in the Senate and 24 in the House joining Democrats in support. Biden signed it into law in August 2022.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/feb/29/joe-biden/fact-checking-joe-bidens-statement-about-semicondu/

Many legislators and elected officials from across both the federal government and various state governments endorsed the passage. A large group of governors consisting of Pennsylvania's Tom Wolf, Alabama's Kay Ivey, California's Gavin Newsom, Kentucky's Andy Beshear, Michigan's Gretchen Whitmer, Wisconsin's Tony Evers, Illinois' J. B. Pritzker, Kansas' Laura Kelly, and North Carolina's Roy Cooper pushed for the passage of the bill back in November 2021.

Ohio governor Mike DeWine, whose state became the home of Intel's newest semiconductor fabrication plant in the Columbus suburb of New Albany, as well as Texas governor Greg Abbott and Texas senator John Cornyn, whose state was the home of a major investment from Samsung, each pushed for the bill to be passed and applauded its advancement through Congress.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act

Biden: America Can Never Lose Edge in Semiconductor Manufacturing Again
Early in his State of the Union address on Tuesday, President Biden focused on semiconductors and the bipartisan legislation Congress passed last year to spur hundreds of billions of dollars in investments.
https://www.wsj.com/video/biden-america-can-never-lose-edge-in-semiconductor-manufacturing-again/D9477F64-66BB-4982-94FC-AAF6CA427596?msockid=19c9661de72e6d54127b7055e6a56cb7

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59. Seder is very right sometimes and horribly wrong others.... not sure you should apply the word "rat" in the context....

...of a Jewish man though, just saying. And no I don't think you mean it that way, I'm pretty sure you don't. But its not a good look and you might wanna think about that a little.

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64. that's a stretch, I think

Ratfucking was originally a private word, used by Segretti within his small circle of confidants. It hit the mainstream after Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein wrote about it in All the President’s Men, their book about the Watergate affair.

He called his brand of take-no-prisoners politicking, which involved ballot stuffing, rumoro-mongering, and other pranks, was termed “ratfucking.”

Stone also denounced the kind of tricks practiced by Segretti and his crowd.

“What was the point? Harassment? That’s ratfucking,”

As Mother Jones put it back in 2017:

Stone’s specialty is being a “ratfucker“ — a practitioner of dark arts avoided by most mainstream politicians and consultants. (Asked about the term in an interview with Politico, the ever-classy Stone instead smeared Sen. Ted Cruz: “I think he’s the one fucking rats.”)

https://politicaldictionary.com/words/ratfucking/

...the connotation is actually that Seder is fucking rats to get dirt on Democrats.