So let me get this straight

[EarlG]

If you are a white, middle-aged man with a legal concealed-carry permit, who happens to be exercising your Second Amendment right to carry a firearm, then:

a) If federal agents find that holstered firearm on you in the course of wrestling you to the ground, they can shoot you dead even if you are not brandishing the firearm, your hands are empty, and you are already incapacitated.

b) The federal government will immediately, without an investigation, say the fact that you were exercising your Second Amendment right means that you are a domestic terrorist who was plotting to assassinate agents and wanted to commit a massacre.

I'll go on record saying that I'm not a pro-Second Amendment person and I think that strong gun control is the way to go. But what the feds are doing in this case is a gun-grabber fantasy the left could never even dream of.

The last time DHS smeared a US citizen who was murdered by ICE, it was an uppity lesbian who was annoying a cop by being nice to him. No fucks given on the right there, I'm sure. But how will they feel when DHS tells them that the concealed weapon they love to carry means that they're fair game to be shot by unaccountable feds anytime, anyplace, anywhere, after which the feds will smear them as domestic terrorists and cop-killers just because they were carrying?

This is Trump's base we're talking about here. How deep can the cognitive dissonance get before something snaps?

[orangecrush]

1. When you consider

That their ranks are swelled with law enforcement that can't find work because of excessive force and behavioral issues, this should come as no surprise.

[lapfog_1]

2. the MAGA gun humpers won't care

the ICE agents and BP are their fellow travelers... they cannot imagine ICE shooting THEM plus the added bonus that this is their fantasy, to kill liberals and lesbians and anyone non-white.

[SunImp]

40. ICE & law enforcement are just vehicles to fulfill their raging need to punish the left

It doesn't matter if the means are legal or illegal to them whether it's through police brutality or some vigilante violence they'll eat it up & cheer. Sick mf all of them

[Justice matters.]

3. The Constitution of the United States is dead.

The Guardians Of Pedophiles killed it.

Welcome to Violent Chaos Land, because of them.

[buzzycrumbhunger]

4. I think it's already snapping...

This is probably what the fascists were hoping for.

[BaronChocula]

35. Was curious about it

So I did a search for "Sons of Liberty die mad about it" (from the background logo in the pic) and here's what I found:

https://www.youtube.com/@SonsofLibertyOfficial

[MineralMan]

5. Pedestrians Have the Right of Way.

It is still a good idea to look both ways before crossing the street, though.

I learned that in first grade.

It is not the guns you carry that make you dangerous to despots and dictators. It is the guns nobody know you have.

Look both ways!

[Cirsium]

37. Thinking about you today

Hope you are doing OK. I can't believe what is happening in Minnesota.

[EarthFirst]

6. They know how to respond to the dog whistle...

This particular execution was perpetrated against someone bearing witness to atrocities imposed on minority communities.

They’ll interpret this exactly how the narrative is being framed; and the comfort in their 2A’s that are tucked into their waistband will be defended at all cost.

[surfered]

7. It's hard to believe the subject would have been able to pull a gun

while prostrate on the ground held by six officers. Why wasn’t the one slugging the suspect trying to secure his hands?

These guys are not trained. Most appear to be just unprofessional yahoos with a mask, a badge (sometimes), and a gun.

[Lulu KC]

8. The gun had already been removed from his holster and taken away

An ICE guy ran up to him and took the gun and ran. There are videos all over the reddit /minneapolis page of this from different perspectives. He had no gun when he was shot, and he was pinned to the ground. The guy who shot him had 8 years at DHS.

Nothing's adding up the way they say it is. Nothing.

[catchnrelease]

23. And he had just been blasted in the face

He was sprayed point blank in the face with pepper spray just seconds before he was dragged to the ground. He was in the middle of trying to help a woman up who had just been pushed to the ground by ICE guys. They were both sprayed in the face then.

[sop]

16. And he was wearing a zipped-up, mid-thigh length winter parka, making it really difficult to go for his waistband

or holstered gun.

[bigtree]

9. I don't think they'll be able to weather this assassination in the street

...because the federal government has progressed from just attacking a narrow set of people in the country to what can only be percieved as outright war on ANYONE in America, citizens or not, law-abiding or not who they decide is against their self-appointed interests.

I think most Americans already percieved that. This should bring an unprecedented number to the streets, and I would hope that republicans are peeing themselves at the prospect.

They should spend this time watching documentaries from other nations whose people rose up and deposed murderous autocrats.

[sop]

17. This is clearly an assault on the First Amendment right to protest, in any way, by anyone Trump views as "the enemy."

[catchnrelease]

25. Pretti was killed

While exercising his first and second amendment rights.

[Klarkashton]

10. Listening to Walz this is a civil war.

[OldBaldy1701E]

56. Yeah, but not enough are listening. (n/t)

[drmeow]

11. How deep can the cognitive dissonance get before something snaps?

Cognitive dissonance means you will change whatever it takes to make you comfortable again. When you are a brainwashed cult member, you can't change your believe in the people in power over you. So, to eliminate your discomfort, you will accept every and any excuse they give you. The cognitive dissonance is what makes them not believe the videos - it won't make them change their mind about Trump and his goons.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - THAT was the snap: the rejection of any and all facts and clear evidence.

[dalton99a]

12. Kick

[ancianita]

13. "How deep can the cognitive dissonance get before something snaps?" As deep as the ingrained pathological narrative sits

in the hearts and minds of the individuals who we know as the hardened trumpcult.

[hatrack]

14. "If only Stalin knew!!!" - THAT'S how deep the cognitive dissonance is.

And that's how deep it will be for the foreseeable future for at least 20% of the population of this fucked-up country.

[Joinfortmill]

32. Yup, Fuck 'em. The rest of us need to stay strong and push back.

[peppertree]

15. Absolutely. It was never really about the 2nd Amendment.

It was always about fomenting highly-armed (and well-financed) paramilitaries - with "absolute immunity" and at the disposal of whomever they could use as a fascist dictator.

For anyone else - as you noted - the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply - and exercise thereof, however prudent (as in this case), will be used as a pretext to execute said person.

Especially if perceived to be a "lib'rul."

[ForeGoneLegsBirne]

33. & LIBRULL/PROGRESSIVE/ALTERNATIVE "Dilutes" Whiteness

[usedtobedemgurl]

18. I think it is purposeful.....

If they cannot get liberals to be violent, so they can bring out the insurrection act, then they turn to people to anger because they have been proven violent. J6 was not a friendly tour group.

[angrychair]

19. The cognitive dissonance is infinitely deep

When it comes to mango Mussolini. I mean they used to scream endlessly about the "Epstein Files" and now they scream its a Democratic plot against Trump.
They now love pedophiles and even blame the little girls themselves for causing it.

The Republican Party is a domestic terrorist organization and should be disbanded. It's not a difference of opinion. It's moral and ethical imperative.

[littlemissmartypants]

20. The Five Reasons Wars Happen

https://democraticunderground.com/100220965439

[Wednesdays]

21. Two words: Kyle Rittenhouse

It's A-okay if the person with the weapon is wearing your team's jersey.

[Dulcinea]

28. Who knows, maybe he joined ICE.

He's unemployable otherwise.

[Wednesdays]

30. He'll never go hungry though, that's for sure.

He's the darling of the RWNJ's.

[LuvLoogie]

22. It's not cognitive dissonance.

They know they are full of shit.

[creeksneakers2]

24. Great point

But the Fascists will probably ignore it.

[Joinfortmill]

26. Excellent point. We shall see. TickTock.

[Native]

27. This is great, but as I'm reading this I'm also thinking....

These people can barely walk and chew gum at the same time, and we're assuming they can hold two separate thoughts or beliefs simultaneously?

[FakeNoose]

29. The cognitive dissonance is that the ICE-goons get to have it both ways ... always

The ICE-goons can commit murder and tell lies about their actions because ... reasons. Because they are ICE and they don't need any other reason. But on the same token they aren't police officers, because then they would have to follow standard LEO procedures. They would be required to have many months of training, and they would have to answer to superiors. Nope, none of that for them.

[Skittles]

31. gun humpers have been warning about tyranny as long as I can remember

now that it's actually here, they not only SUPPORT tyranny, they PARTICIPATE

[Brenda]

34. His base thinks the phone vids are AI lies.

So they don't believe the true recorded facts of the murder.

Instead they believe every word that comes out of DHS, ICE and of course Der Chump.

We really are at an inflection point.

It's not just the ICE and CBP murderous, violent and illegal actions that are piling up around the country - even in Maine for fuck's sake - it's the avalanche of chaos and collapse brought on by tariffs, illegal "wars" and the price of beef, to name a few.

The snapping will happen before the mid terms but then there's the huge likelihood the Fascist Fucks will make it worse after the Dems sweep.

The Dems in office now and in the future cannot STAND BY! I'm glad to see Walz activating the National Guard and working closely with the Police of Minneapolis. ACTION.

[gulliver]

36. Major setback for 2A sanity, possibly fatal

The guy should definitely have not had a gun at a peaceful protest. Democratic leaders should be telling all peaceful protesters that guns should not be brought to protests. It may be too late. I hope not.

Right wing 2A absolutists are definitely going to defend this guy's right to carry his gun at a public event billed as peaceful protest. They are going to be very validated by this. That's not good. Not good at all.

[JustAnotherGen]

38. They don't believe the rules apply to them

But how will they feel when DHS tells them that the concealed weapon they love to carry means that they're fair game to be shot by unaccountable feds anytime, anyplace, anywhere, after which the feds will smear them as domestic terrorists and cop-killers just because they were carrying?

This is Trump's base we're talking about here. How deep can the cognitive dissonance get before something snaps?

They think they are free.

[herding cats]

39. This is an excellent point

It's at least one angle we need to be screaming from the rooftops about this blatant abuse of power.

There are multiple videos showing the man was both disarmed when he was shot and was at no point brandishing his lawfully carried weapon at the ICE agents.

They walked right through his constitutional right to carry and twisted it back on him as an excuse for his killing. All while he broke no laws nor protocols for properly carrying his firearm.

[lostnfound]

41. Unlimited? But won't it be handy to have such a precedent..

when liberals take over?

Clearly not likely, in MAGA minds.

[tazcat]

42. Well now they are murdering white people - will magats give a rats ass?

I remember Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge killed 5July 16 had a gun in his pocket not going for it. The very next day, 6July16
Philando Castile from Minnesota was shot and killed by a cop after telling him he was legally carrying a gun gun but was going for his wallet.
Of course both these men were black so nobody cared. What a sick country this is. Alex Pretti was a caring VA nurse - he was a helper.
All the vets who voted for this traitorous draft dodger should be scorned. They will not take away my pride in faithfully serving my country.

[Tree Lady]

45. I don't think they will care until it is one of them

If ICE screws up and kills a maga by mistake that would be interesting to see what would happen.

[yellow dahlia]

43. They will wrap the propaganda and pain into a tangled web, that is nonsensical.

And it will consumed, willingly.

[iemanja]

44. Trump's base loves this

ICE can’t murder enough people to please them. I’ve seen that scum on FB and X. They are the worst of the worst. The only solace I take is knowing they will rot in hell.

[Figarosmom]

46. Yet it seems it was ok for Kyle Rittenhouse. Nt

[John1956PA]

47. ICE uses a two-prong test in determining who should be summarily executed.

Prong No 1: The victim is someone ICE does not like.
Prong No 2: The victim is carrying a firearm.

Note: ICE feels it has free rein to spontaneously attack (absent provocation) any victim in order to determine if that victim meets the aforesaid two-prong test. If the test requirements are met, it is within ICE's prerogative to summarily execute the individual.

This is what fascism is.

[Ol Janx Spirit]

48. I actually think this incident has the potential to cause some fracturing among the 2A MAGA base and the...

...MalAdministration.

It appears that Turnip himself posted this gem to Truthless Social:

"HE HAD A GUN, ONLY CRIMINALS CARRY GUNS ON OUR STREETS, WE NEED LAW AND ORDER."

I don't think this will actually go over well with MAGAs who've been pushing for years the idea that we all need to be able--no, make that: have a responsibility--to carry as many guns of whatever type wherever we want because of some nonsense about a good guy with a gun.

They are stupid, but they actually aren't THAT stupid.

Disarming someone with a carry permit and then killing them and then saying anyone exercising their "2A rights" is a criminal will definitely remind a lot of them how they always said they needed guns to protect themselves FROM the government.

Liberal or not, he was one of them: a legal gun owner with a permit carrying his weapon of choice. If those turn out to be the true facts, this will make a lot of them sit up and take notice--as horrible as they are....

[Historic NY]

49. This could easily happen to an off duty or retired cop in addition to civilians

The victim here intervene in the assaults made on two women.

[DallasNE]

50. I Don't Think That The Reason This Man Was Killed

Was because of the (legal) concealed weapon he was carrying, but because of the unconcealed camera-phone he was carrying.

[Cha]

51. I Hope the Base Knows what went on...

and not some Gaslit version Full of Lies by Screw you Over "news".

Thanks for making This So Clear What Happened on DU, EarlG.

[unblock]

52. Their "principles" have been shown to be a sham. They believe in us vs them and that's it

Rules and laws are a joke to them, just an excuse to be cruel to us.

The only thing they believe in is white good, black bad; man good, woman bad; Christian good, others bad.

Every other "principle" is just crap they say to try to control us.

[Beartracks]

53. Dear 2A Republican voters: this Trumpy government is the tyranny you've been warning us about.

The rest of America sincerely hopes and prays that you care more about this horrendous and dangerous problem than your elected Republican officials who are complicit in their silence.

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[Doodley]

54. I think Stephen Miller wants some killings so the people riot, and Trump can say he's saving the country

from civil war with the insurrection act, and therefore have an excuse to "postpone" elections. In this scenario, it doesn't matter if a few of the MAGA base peel off.

[RetiredParatrooper]

55. Not sure it will snap

The cognitive dissonance is insane.

[ananda]

57. Everyone who supports the Magatocracy has already completely snapped.

It's those who don't who are on the verge.

[Javaman]

58. It'll only become a problem if one of the magas gets shot and killed

Until then, it’s business as usual for the constitution cherry picking fascists

[seta1950]

59. Agreed

It’s their beloved 2nd amendment 🤨