Does the Bush family condone what is going on the MN?

[malaise]

Their silence is deafening.

[Emile]

1. Don't forget Mike Pence too.

[malaise]

2. Yep and the potato guy too

[Ol Janx Spirit]

25. I think you mean the "potatoe" guy....

I haven't thought about him in years.

Man I miss the days when misspelling a word was fertile ground for deriding a political figure.

[Joinfortmill]

26. Haha

[malaise]

28. That one 😀

[JHB]

8. And Mitt.

Liz Cheney hasn't been too loud about it either.

[Buckeyeblue]

3. W is somewhere in a bathtub painting a picture of his feet

[Blues Heron]

6. A bathtub full of gin no doubt

[Emile]

9. Lol 😂

[Joinfortmill]

27. Haha

[littlemissmartypants]

40. He probably has alcoholism related dementia by now.

Note the fifth from the bottom.
https://www.slideserve.com/lindsay/alcohol-related-brain-damage

[Buckeyeblue]

51. That describes his entire time as president

Besides all that brush that he cleared on the ranch. You wouldn't think there would have been a twig left on the place.

[Renew Deal]

4. Who from the Bush family do you care to hear from?

[Ritabert]

22. Barbara Bush, Dubya's daughter. Certainly not Jeb.

[Blues Heron]

5. Yes, silence is complicity.

[malaise]

31. My only point

Rec

[Bettie]

7. They simply don't care

It doesn’t affect them, so it isn’t important. Same with other Republicans, it isn’t affecting their beloved cash flow, so it doesn’t matter.

[OldBaldy1701E]

16. "...it isn't affecting their beloved cash flow..."

Now, we are getting somewhere.

Ask yourself... who suffers in the situation we find ourselves in?

Because it won't be those with money. NO ONE in that socioeconomic position is going to be too concerned about what is going on, because they are still making money.

You want things to change? STOP making them money. STOP giving them money. That is how they learn to stop being shits.

Oh, that is too hard for some reason? Well these reasons should have been addressed the moment we realized that they were not going to stop. (For some of us, that realization happened a lot sooner than others (for reasons that make no sense to me, as we were screaming that this was going to happen)... UNTIL you look into who has money and who does not.

[Bettie]

33. We've curtailed our spending

but, there are some things....like food that one has to buy.

It is hard though, especially if you live in a place without many local options, but we can all do our part, small or large in denying them profit.

And soon, it won't be a choice so much as a necessity as prices continue to rise and rise.

[OldBaldy1701E]

53. I apologize, as I was not referring to that aspect of the situation.

I was referring to continuing to make them richer by keeping their factories running. By keeping their offices functioning. By fixing their cars and by cleaning their houses. By doing all the things that make them more wealthy while keeping you in the ditch so that you won't try to take some of their horde.

STOP doing them. This is how you 'get their attention'.

[Bettie]

57. I get all of that

it's hard to find ways to affect the very wealthy because the own literally everything. They don't even SEE us, we're as important to them as ants on the sidewalk.

A massive general strike would get their attention, but I doubt that we have the numbers do do that....yet.

A big part is that our country is so big with a large population, that it is hard to make a large majority isnt' on board.

No need for an apology, I understand what you were saying...but it is hard to get enough people involved to get their attention, because the "elites" literally don't care if most of us die, as long as they have their beloved money.

[MLWR]

10. Perhaps because DHS was Shrub's brilliant idea in the first place.

[Lonestarblue]

12. When Democrats are back in power, DHS needs to be reorganized to decrease its ability to create a rogue police force.

Laws also need to be changed to restrain both ICE and CBP to prevent their abuses. A new immigration law would be good too.

[llmart]

15. DHS needs to be dismantled completely.

It isn't any more necessary than "Department of War".

[JHB]

64. It needs to be broken up and reorganized back to the pre-Bush arrangements.

Consolidating federal enforcement agencies under one roof was a "Project 2025" goal long before its authors gave it a binding and a name.

[llmart]

14. That was EXACTLY my thought this morning.

I hated the whole concept of it after 9/11. The name "Homeland Security" reeked of nazism to me.

I am almost 77 years old. We lived without a Department of Homeland Security most of my life. Why do we need one now? It was supposed to keep us "safe". You know what would keep us safe? Stop being the world's bully.

[Clouds Passing]

46. Dhs certainly has not kept regular Americans safe

[PatSeg]

23. Actually Bush opposed the formation of DHS at first

Eventually he caved to pressure from members of congress. For five minutes he was almost on the right side of history.

Surprisingly, it was Joe Lieberman who initially 'proposed it, White House conservatives reportedly balked because it would mean a vast new federal bureaucracy. But President Bush reportedly decided it was “politically expedient” to sign the bill. So Congress and the White House essentially wrote a blank check –one of many that spawned a post-9/11 national security state that threatened to put the country on a permanent war-time footing — and wrongly treated the “homeland” as if it was under continuous, existential threat.'

https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/20-years-later-its-time-to-overhaul-the-department-of-homeland-security

I'd remembered that Bush opposed DHS at first, but I didn't remember that Lieberman had proposed it. It didn't take long before republicans got onboard and politicized 9/11 to their own benefit. I remember all the military grade armored vehicles and weapons sent to police departments all over the country. It was both bizarre and frightening; now we can see all our worst fears come true.

There's more at the link that was very interesting.

[Joinfortmill]

30. Lieberman, a strange dude.

[PatSeg]

39. He certainly was

To think, he almost became vice president.

Looking back, he was on the wrong side of a whole lot of issues.

[MustLoveBeagles]

62. He turned out to be a DINO

Al Gore could've done better.

[PatSeg]

66. Oh yes, he certainly could have

Lieberman ended up being a huge disappointment to Democrats, especially when he campaigned for McCain and Palin in 2008.

Then later he held the ACA hostage and was instrumental in getting rid of the public option. Apparently he had taken over $1 million in campaign contributions from the medical insurance industry during his senate career. Lieberman's wife, Hadassah, worked for a major lobbying firm as its specialist on health and pharmaceuticals. She previously worked at drug companies such as Pfizer and Hoffmann-La Roche.

He became an Independent and often voted with republicans after that.

[UpInArms]

32. and the unconstitutional USA Patriot Act

I have never gotten over my absolute disgust of the rights they have trampled

[Ol Janx Spirit]

36. That seems like even more of a reason for him to speak out against this "use" of DHS...

There is a popular story about how, in 1888, Nobel was astonished to read his own obituary, titled "The Merchant of Death Is Dead", in a French newspaper. It was Alfred's brother Ludvig who had died; the obituary was eight years premature. The article disconcerted Nobel and made him apprehensive about how he would be remembered. This inspired him to change his will.[14] Historians have been unable to verify this story and some dismiss the story as a myth.[15][16]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize#:~:text=The%20Nobel%20Prizes%20are%20awards,in%20memory%20of%20Alfred%20Nobel.

Speaking out on this wouldn't repair GW's legacy, but it wouldn't hurt.

But Bush is clearly a coward--too afraid to cut against his big-oil buddies and the MAGA crazies to come out in defense of the America that is slipping away from us even though it made him very wealthy.

[littlemissmartypants]

41. He's a brain damaged old man. See:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220970493#post40

[mysteryowl]

11. He is a republican thug. We don't care what he thinks.

I understand your point about the silence.

[BluesRunTheGame]

13. I'd forgotten about the Bush family.

Not sure why I’d want to remember them today.

I don’t think most conservatives these days look to them for guidance.

On edit:

Here’s George with one of his oil paintings. It’s called “Lap Dog is my Spirit Animal”.

[littlemissmartypants]

43. Hahaha!

[rickford66]

17. Probably thinking, "we coulda got away with way more"

[angrychair]

18. Fuck Republicans

Their silence is your answer.

[livetohike]

19. Good question. Losing our freedoms is not a partisan

issue. As a former President, Bush needs to make a statement, unless he condones this.

[cayugafalls]

20. Poppy tried in the 30's

The BFEE is most likely cheering…

[Johonny]

21. Word is no

And Bush has spoken to members of congress. But the opposition is completely behind closed doors. All GOPers fear their insane voting base, who demand positions that are awful. Hence the complete silence. MTG shows how quick you go from star to local bar speaking out.

[Ritabert]

24. Dubya is keeping his head down so nobody remembers his two decades-long wars

....that achieved nothing except spike the national debt setting us up for our current mess.

[choie]

29. They don't give a shit.

[samsingh]

34. they don't care - their corruption of texas, florida politics and stealing

the 2000 election and corruption of the supreme court paved the way for trump

[Martin Eden]

35. Yeah, I wanna hear what the war criminal thinks

He should be grateful that The Felon replaced him as the worst president ever.

[Blue Full Moon]

37. It's easier to be a dictator. Trump is finishing up Bush Sr. Legacy.

[malaise]

38. Their foreign policy spoke volumes

That is all

[Norrrm]

42. GHW Bush quit the NRA over "jack-booted thugs" comment.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ghw+bush+jackboot&sca_esv=09d8ef1d6f832fe0&sxsrf=ANbL-n5_sRUzZAsUY7ZXkpYzKIrClqiFmw%3A1769438878070&source=hp&ei=nn53aZ7XAcSj5NoP97fWoQU&iflsig=AFdpzrgAAAAAaXeMrv7yKJsolMBgbDbsu_OQrFUBITSZ&ved=0ahUKEwienpu-uamSAxXEEVkFHfebNVQQ4dUDCCE&uact=5&oq=ghw+bush+jackboot&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IhFnaHcgYnVzaCBqYWNrYm9vdDIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKABSNTCAVCrDVjGsAFwAXgAkAEAmAHqAaABnw-qAQYxMS40LjK4AQPIAQD4AQGYAhKgAt0PqAIKwgIHECMYJxjqAsICBBAjGCfCAhMQLhiABBjHARgnGIoFGI4FGK8BwgIKECMYgAQYJxiKBcICCxAAGIAEGLEDGIMBwgIREC4YgAQYsQMY0QMYgwEYxwHCAggQABiABBixA8ICBRAAGIAEwgIIEC4YgAQYsQPCAgsQLhiABBixAxiDAcICDhAAGIAEGLEDGIMBGIoFwgIFEC4YgATCAggQLhiABBjlBMICBxAAGIAEGArCAgsQLhiABBjHARivAcICBhAAGBYYHsICCBAAGBYYChgewgIIEAAYgAQYogTCAggQABiiBBiJBZgDBvEFq3pwZgX9XBySBwYxMS41LjKgB_WVAbIHBjEwLjUuMrgH1g_CBwYzLjEzLjLIBymACAA&sclient=gws-wiz

In 1995, President George H.W. Bush resigned from the NRA after Executive VP Wayne LaPierre described federal agents as "jack-booted thugs" in a fundraising letter. Calling the remark a "scurrilous" attack on law enforcement, Bush stated it offended him and, as a former president, he could not be associated with such rhetoric.

[bagimin]

44. They are keeping there powder dry

[Clouds Passing]

45. This is their wet dream. They planned it long ago.

[mainer]

47. Maybe the Bushes realize they're so unpopular, it won't help to speak up

Will their coming out in support of Democrats help us or hurt us? Maybe the Dems would rather the Bushes keep their mouths shut?

[MacKasey]

48. You are absolutely right

I keep thinking all the ex-presidents should speak it with one voice in condemning the violence being done by ICE.

I thought it would have been the right thing for George W to condemn the violence on January 6th 2021 and it would have made it easier for the Republicans to impeach and convict Trump and this stuff will not be happening now

But then you look what happened to Liz Cheney

[maliaSmith]

49. former presidents of both parties

All former presidents of both parties should be speaking up FORCEFULLY against what Trump and his brown shirted goons are doing in our country. It's disgusting that they aren't. Shame on all of them.

[Kid Berwyn]

50. They brought it about.

Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2748315

[malaise]

54. Abroad first and now

at home

[Kid Berwyn]

60. Precisely.

What Kissinger said:

"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves."

I remember DU when we had a whole lotta experts on the Bush-NAZI connections.

[hatrack]

52. Who cares? Their silence has made them irrelevant.

.

[FarPoint]

55. George the second, he has always had his head in the sand....

I think he may of burned out too many brain cells getting high back in his day.... He does what he is told essentially.... Not one for passion about his past jobs...

[Escape]

56. It's probably the Kompromat.....

Before becoming president, W was a young, brash, cocky idiot who drank and partied a lot.

I'm sure the Trump blackmail file on him is exhaustive and colossal.

[drray23]

58. The bush family is irrelevant.

The republican party has moved way past them. It's now maga all the way and they don't care what the bushes have to say.

[Beringia]

59. What about former President Joe Biden nothing from him either

[Polybius]

61. As Bush said a couple of years ago, "I retired from politics"

He doesn't wanna get involved in anything political, and I respect his decision.

[Bettie]

63. They simply don't care

about it at all.

They have the money to live in private estates where they are insulated from everything.

They will pretend to care if one of them tries to run for office again, but it will be 100% fake.

[Cherrycheeks]

65. George w

Probably laughing his ass off.