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Of course you are furious. Do not let yourself get baited. (Original Post) applegrove Jan 26 OP
No they aren't Cirsium Jan 26 #1
THIS!!!! 100% THIS!!! Prairie Gates Jan 26 #2
I deleted Miller and Krystol. But the baiting is real. applegrove Jan 26 #3
No Cirsium Jan 26 #5
The idea is that we can control what WE do. Don't take the bait. Martin Eden Jan 27 #7
We disagree on that Cirsium Jan 27 #8
There's a difference between "control" and pushing things past a threshold Martin Eden Jan 27 #9
No there isn't Cirsium Jan 28 #15
The Rev Dr Martin Luther King taught us the way. TexLaProgressive Jan 26 #4
Donald Trump has NO power to cancel the midterms. Sogo Jan 26 #6
Nothing to do with "jurisdiction" Cirsium Jan 27 #10
The point is, we have 50 separate state elections that all happen on the same day in the general election. Sogo Jan 27 #11
It already has happened Cirsium Jan 27 #12
You seem to be talking about the Presidential election. Sogo Jan 27 #13
That doesn't matter Cirsium Jan 28 #14

Cirsium

(3,944 posts)
1. No they aren't
Mon Jan 26, 2026, 08:03 PM
Jan 26

They are not trying to bait us and they don't need any pretext. They can and will set their own Reichstag fire (as the Nazis probably did).

The idea that we can control what they do by our behavior is delusional and dangerous.

Let's not take advice from Republicans like Bill Kristol and Tim Miller.

applegrove

(132,264 posts)
3. I deleted Miller and Krystol. But the baiting is real.
Mon Jan 26, 2026, 08:09 PM
Jan 26

They want evidence that their CBP agents and ICE goons are the real victims. Because people have cameras on their phones, they can't push the narrative so they want angry Americans to act out violently. Non violent movements are very successful. See below. It is a great threat to the MAGA WH as is showing up in the polls.

Make this viral--Renee Good & others deserve our support.

Someone smarter than me shared why small protests matter—especially now, with people showing up for Renee Good. This article explains it well.

Please REPOST 🔁

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thejenniwren.substack.com/p/to-the-naysayers-youre-wrong-were

Steve B (@bsteve978.bsky.social) 2026-01-11T15:39:32.621985-08:00

Cirsium

(3,944 posts)
5. No
Mon Jan 26, 2026, 08:56 PM
Jan 26

They don't need us to give them evidence. They just make it up, or use agents provocateur.

I should say that I have no criticism whatsoever of the tactics people are using in Minnesota. Also, I am not advocating black bloc performative violence.

They don't want angry Americans to act out violently, they want intimidated Americans to meekly roll over and submit.

Martin Eden

(15,635 posts)
7. The idea is that we can control what WE do. Don't take the bait.
Tue Jan 27, 2026, 08:26 AM
Jan 27

We KNOW that Trump wants to impose martial law and either cancel the midterms or sieze ballots under the guise of "election integrity."

But this fascist regime still needs a plausible pretext. Public opinion still matters, and is increasingly turning against them. Not all lower court rulings are being overturned by the Seditious Six. Some Republicans in Congress are starting to grow a spine.

In any event, our behaviour matters. If we start killing federal agents, that which we fear the most will almost certainly come to pass.

None of us has a crystal ball. What happens to our democracy this year is not chiseled in stone. We know what we're up against, and we have to be smart.

Cirsium

(3,944 posts)
8. We disagree on that
Tue Jan 27, 2026, 01:07 PM
Jan 27

I agree that our behavior matters. I agree we have to be smart. I don't agree that we can control whatever pretext the regime comes up with.

I don't think anyone anywhere is suggesting that "we start killing federal agents." I don't agree, however, that what "we fear the most will almost certainly come to pass" as a result of anything we do or don't do. The historical record is clear on that. It has always been a mistake to think that if only we don't provoke the bullies they won't hurt us.

The Trump administration is continually making up pretexts for every one of their draconian actions.

Martin Eden

(15,635 posts)
9. There's a difference between "control" and pushing things past a threshold
Tue Jan 27, 2026, 02:19 PM
Jan 27

We have to remain nonviolent. Sure, we're not hearing calls to arm ourselves against ICE, yet, but peaceful demonstrations that turn into physical altercations can get more people killed, then escalate from there.

We need to show up in ever greater numbers, and clearly demonstrate we are not a rioting mob -- even when provoked. Don't take the bait, even after more tragedies like Good and Pretti.

I agree Trump is itching to use the Insurrection Act, and is getting worried about the midterms. The highest priority of any authoritarian regime is to maintain its grip on power. Trump is mentally deranged enough to do just about anything, especially with Stephen Miller in his ear.

It is possible martial law will be declared even without anything approaching a valid pretext, but I'm not convinced he can get away with it.

Our Constitutional rule of law is only maintained by citizens, and people in the government and military who take their sworn oaths seriously. More and more people are turning against this regime. The needle is moving. We don't know how far it will have moved 3, 6, or 9 months from now.

The future is not predetermined, and what millions of concerned citizens do can affect the outcome.

TexLaProgressive

(12,737 posts)
4. The Rev Dr Martin Luther King taught us the way.
Mon Jan 26, 2026, 08:12 PM
Jan 26

Bloody Sunday,March 7, 1965, 600 people attempted to cross the Edmund Pettus Bridge to demand their constitutional right to vote. They were met on the bridge by law enforcement who beat many of them close to death. This violence was met with brave non-violence. The witness of the 600 people who only wanted their rights and the horrific violence of the police lead to the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1965.
https://nmaahc.si.edu/explore/stories/onthisday-bloody-sunday

Sogo

(7,195 posts)
6. Donald Trump has NO power to cancel the midterms.
Mon Jan 26, 2026, 10:58 PM
Jan 26

NONE. He has no jurisdiction over state elections.

We have state elections, run by each state.

Cirsium

(3,944 posts)
10. Nothing to do with "jurisdiction"
Tue Jan 27, 2026, 05:15 PM
Jan 27

Since when do things like "jurisdiction" stop Trump?

Sogo

(7,195 posts)
11. The point is, we have 50 separate state elections that all happen on the same day in the general election.
Tue Jan 27, 2026, 10:17 PM
Jan 27

He would have to get the election officials in every state to go along with his scheme.

Ain't gonna happen.

Cirsium

(3,944 posts)
12. It already has happened
Tue Jan 27, 2026, 11:31 PM
Jan 27

Republicans have a long, long history of tampering with elections any way they can. The Trump administration has shown no interest in adhering to law or precedent.

They don't need the election officials in every state to go along with anything. Key actors in key districts will do just fine. That is obvious, or should be obvious to everyone by now.

Sogo

(7,195 posts)
13. You seem to be talking about the Presidential election.
Tue Jan 27, 2026, 11:51 PM
Jan 27

This thread made reference to him cancelling the midterms.

Again, ain't gonna happen. He has no power to cancel the midterms.


Cirsium

(3,944 posts)
14. That doesn't matter
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 01:12 AM
Jan 28

Midterms are run the same way that presidential elections are (same places, same ballots, same officials).

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