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angrychair

(12,292 posts)
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 01:01 PM Jan 30

Minnesota Chief Judge Folds, Gives Up on ICE

Let's start with this little gem:

“ICE has likely violated more court orders in January 2026 than some federal agencies have violated in their entire existence,” Schiltz wrote.


Briefly, this Minnesota Chief federal judge ordered the head of ICE to appear in person for violating judicial orders as part of a contempt hearing. The day before Todd Lyons was to appear the judge was notified that they had freed Juan Hugo Tobay Robles, an Ecuadorian citizen, as the judge had ordered.
But goes on to list 96 court orders in 74 cases that ICE continues to violate and says he may hold another contempt hearing if ICE continues to violate court orders.


W.T.F.


So the judge goes through the motions to detail 96 violations of court orders over 74 cases but again issues a pointless statement that he MAY order another contempt hearing if it continues

Again...

W.T.F.

The law has failed us. We have the chief federal judge of Minnesota, a lifetime appointment, by all appearances, afraid to uphold the law, afraid to hold ICE accountable, so what is a person like me supposed to think about that?

He also has the audacity to include this little gem in his ruling yesterday:
“ICE is not a law unto itself,” he said.


This is, very obviously, not true. They have violated 96 court orders in 74 cases and the official position of the chief federal judge of Minnesota is to do absolutely nothing about it but order a sternly worded letter.

Reference:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minnesota-chief-federal-judge-cancels-contempt-hearing-requiring-ice-director-s-appearance-lambasts-agency/ar-AA1VguEq
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Minnesota Chief Judge Folds, Gives Up on ICE (Original Post) angrychair Jan 30 OP
And yet we still hear "But he won't do that. It's against the law!" Whyisthisstillclose Jan 30 #1
It's over Timewas Jan 30 #2
Yup. OldBaldy1701E Jan 30 #5
As it is with the international rule of law. PhylliPretzel Jan 30 #21
This is what Trump does D_Master81 Jan 30 #3
The Roy Cohn play book. BattleRow Jan 30 #6
We have to quit saying Trump popsdenver Jan 30 #7
Also serving himself. Justice matters. Jan 30 #11
Stephen Miller will not have the public support that Trump does JI7 Jan 30 #25
He doesn't have the public support now whopis01 Jan 31 #30
Trump is the President and he does have a lot of public support JI7 Jan 31 #31
Thats how he ran his businesss. Nt Callie1979 Jan 30 #17
Justice BidenRocks Jan 30 #4
Ta HELL with a choice... GiqueCee Jan 30 #12
When the people are barred from using legal, nonviolent methods of protest Orrex Jan 30 #8
JFK Lokee11 Jan 30 #24
What the fuck is he afraid of? choie Jan 30 #9
It's time to start listing republican-owned assets tonekat Jan 30 #10
I do NOT understand the system, BUT if we have lifetime judges deciding to fold and give up what can be done? bluestarone Jan 30 #13
IMO- President Obama's biggest mistake... Snackshack Jan 30 #14
And Biden believing that "there's an awful lot of really good Republicans out there" that he could work with progressoid Jan 30 #15
Biden was old school Democrat. Where the differences between parties was very minor. Really just financial. LiberalArkie Jan 30 #16
That judge halted the contempt BumRushDaShow Jan 30 #18
One problem is that you have to have a specific victim of an order for contempt to be a thing dsc Jan 30 #19
It's like my step-daughter and her son...... "David, stop doing that. 3Hotdogs Jan 30 #20
Or like some parents say to their misbehaving kids Seinan Sensei Jan 31 #26
None of the other cases was the SUBJECT of this action. They were just part of the evidence. pnwmom Jan 30 #22
I have seen this a couple times now angrychair Jan 30 #23
I don't think that's what either article meant. pnwmom Jan 31 #28
I Said the Same Thing Yesterday Roy Rolling Jan 31 #27
Why aren't legal release orders for Immediate release? RockCreek Jan 31 #29
They have been ignoring court orders in Illinois, too. mucifer Jan 31 #32
judging is hard. nt Javaman Jan 31 #33
FOLLOW THE MONEY !!!! usaf-vet Jan 31 #34

Timewas

(2,741 posts)
2. It's over
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 01:16 PM
Jan 30

Our entire justice system has been shown to be a toothless tiger, they are totally helpless when their orders are ignored, it is totally useless except against us normal people...In which case had any of us done these things they would bury us under the jail.

PhylliPretzel

(218 posts)
21. As it is with the international rule of law.
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 04:06 PM
Jan 30

The United States and Israel can violate international laws with impunity, and no one holds them accountable.

D_Master81

(2,588 posts)
3. This is what Trump does
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 02:00 PM
Jan 30

He literally just overwhelms and outlasts everyone just wearing people down until it’s like “ok just do whatever, I don’t want to deal with this anymore”. Everything about the American experiment is predicated on leaders doing the right thing and backing down when checked. Trump proves that if you just don’t give a fuck who’s gonna stop you? America has proven it doesnt want the image of its president in cuffs Ap he will do whatever he wants

popsdenver

(2,315 posts)
7. We have to quit saying Trump
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 02:28 PM
Jan 30

IT IS THE ENTIRE REPUBLICAN CABAL, and when Trump goes away, they will just install Steven Miller (2025) who are truly running all of this from the shadows.....They are just using Trump as a pawn, not unlike Ronald Reagan, WBush.
Trump is purely serving not ONE but two masters: Republican 2025 & Putin...........

Trump wouldn't have lasted for a week in 2016 if it hadn't been for the U.S. Republican Senators, the U.S.Republican House members, the US Republican Supreme Court Justices, the 95+% Republican owned/operated media, etc etc etc

Justice matters.

(9,791 posts)
11. Also serving himself.
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 02:45 PM
Jan 30

Serving himself FIRST, then his puppet wife, then his evil spawn, and that's it.

Also sending crumbs to todd blanche from time to time.

JI7

(93,623 posts)
25. Stephen Miller will not have the public support that Trump does
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 11:29 PM
Jan 30

Trump is able to do it becsuse he has a large amount of support from the public.

whopis01

(3,921 posts)
30. He doesn't have the public support now
Sat Jan 31, 2026, 08:21 AM
Jan 31

But he is still running things. That won’t change if Trump goes away.

JI7

(93,623 posts)
31. Trump is the President and he does have a lot of public support
Sat Jan 31, 2026, 10:47 AM
Jan 31

even if it's not majority.

GiqueCee

(4,285 posts)
12. Ta HELL with a choice...
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 02:54 PM
Jan 30

... let's go straight to the HARD WAY!
That evil bastard has gotten away with far too much for far too long. I'm sure we can find an indoor arena big enough to hold impeachment hearings on the Orange Hellbeast, his entire administration, all his enablers and Republican sympathizers, AND the Sinister Six of the Supreme Court. It would make Nuremberg look like a Sunday school picnic!
If only...

Orrex

(67,116 posts)
8. When the people are barred from using legal, nonviolent methods of protest
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 02:30 PM
Jan 30

The the people will find other means of protest.

choie

(6,908 posts)
9. What the fuck is he afraid of?
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 02:33 PM
Jan 30

People are out on the street protesting, getting hurt, killed etc. to save our democracy, and a fucking judge can't do his job to uphold the constitution?

bluestarone

(22,196 posts)
13. I do NOT understand the system, BUT if we have lifetime judges deciding to fold and give up what can be done?
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 03:00 PM
Jan 30

Last edited Fri Jan 30, 2026, 07:49 PM - Edit history (1)

On our site we have very smart lawyer type people here that i'm sure are SHOCKED by what TSF and our court system has turned into. Months and months and months ago they would say things like NO WAY can these bastards do that! Yet today we are in RUSSIA land where they can do ANYTHING they choose to do, with no consequences. I have 0 answers to what we should be doing. My only point is our biggest lawyer types here, i'm sure will agree that what our judicial system is 100% corrupt, and NEVER expected to be this bad. Our supreme court is 100% owned by TSF, and are, and continue to sit and STALL their decisions that go against TSF.

Snackshack

(2,587 posts)
14. IMO- President Obama's biggest mistake...
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 03:08 PM
Jan 30

...was telling us "That we need to look forward not backward"... when it came to an illegal war and torture in Iraq and accountability on wall street for 2008. This sent a clear msg that if you make the crime big enough you can get away with it.

As for the judicial branch, its failure happened in the summer of 2024... with an immunity ruling that never should have been given.

progressoid

(53,195 posts)
15. And Biden believing that "there's an awful lot of really good Republicans out there" that he could work with
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 03:22 PM
Jan 30

Unfortunately, the awful few good ones are gone or are no longer Republicans.

LiberalArkie

(19,817 posts)
16. Biden was old school Democrat. Where the differences between parties was very minor. Really just financial.
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 03:28 PM
Jan 30

I do not think he and others accepted that the GOP is out to destroy everything. And their allegiance is only to the plutocrats. I do not think any Democratic politician even sees it as they themselves want that payday also..

BumRushDaShow

(169,858 posts)
18. That judge halted the contempt
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 03:42 PM
Jan 30

when DHS RELEASED the subject of that particular case. It says it in the article that was linked -

Schiltz canceled the hearing after ICE fulfilled the court’s requirement to release Juan Hugo Tobay Robles, an Ecuadorian citizen who was previously found unjustly detained earlier this month. Schiltz suggested he may call for contempt hearings in the future if violations continue.


(I don't think he was the judge for all the cases he cited but he cited them to make a point to justify going to the "next step" if a release was not complied with, which it eventually was).

dsc

(53,398 posts)
19. One problem is that you have to have a specific victim of an order for contempt to be a thing
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 03:50 PM
Jan 30

they released the specific person.

3Hotdogs

(15,371 posts)
20. It's like my step-daughter and her son...... "David, stop doing that.
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 03:51 PM
Jan 30

David, if you don't stop doing that, I'm going to tell you to stop doing it again."

Seinan Sensei

(1,552 posts)
26. Or like some parents say to their misbehaving kids
Sat Jan 31, 2026, 12:11 AM
Jan 31

“I’m gonna count to three …
One …
Two …
Two-and-a-half …
Two and three-quarters!…”

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
22. None of the other cases was the SUBJECT of this action. They were just part of the evidence.
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 07:46 PM
Jan 30

The DOJ did release the man this judge had ordered to be released in connection with this case.

angrychair

(12,292 posts)
23. I have seen this a couple times now
Fri Jan 30, 2026, 10:29 PM
Jan 30

And it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what the judge said and I partially blame the MSN link I used or just bad reporting from some media outlets.

From a legal publication:

If Judge Schiltz determines that ICE has willfully violated court orders, he could hold the agency or its leadership in contempt of court.


I used this quote because it uses the plural "court orders"
This judge could have found them in contempt for the other stuff but backed off and appears to basically refuse to act on those other 96 incidents of refusing to follow court orders.

Reference:
https://www.jdjournal.com/2026/01/27/judge-orders-ice-chief-to-appear-warns-of-contempt-charges/

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
28. I don't think that's what either article meant.
Sat Jan 31, 2026, 12:46 AM
Jan 31

The other cases had already had decisions rendered, including by other judges. It wasn't his job to retroactively change their outcomes.

But he's now put Todd Blanche on notice that his "patience is at an end." If Blanche hadn't complied (as he did) he could face contempt proceedings.

“The court’s patience is at an end,” he wrote, signaling that continued disregard of court orders could lead to formal contempt proceedings.


And this threat was effective because the detainee was released.

Roy Rolling

(7,635 posts)
27. I Said the Same Thing Yesterday
Sat Jan 31, 2026, 12:43 AM
Jan 31

What is the use of a court order if it is ignored? Where is the teeth behind an order?

Why? Because every ignored order is a license to ignore the law.

When so much is said about optics why are these optics totally ignored?

RockCreek

(1,472 posts)
29. Why aren't legal release orders for Immediate release?
Sat Jan 31, 2026, 02:50 AM
Jan 31

With the release being to the state of (for example) Minnesota? or a non- profit agency with people always available?
I know little of this part if the system, but why isn't, for example,
An order delivered with people assigned to take custody accompanying, and ready to go wherever necessary to get the person (within the judge's jurusdiction)? If the person no longer in state and ordered not to remove person from state, then the perpetrators are already in violation and need to be brought in front if the judge immediately and/or thrown in jail awaiting a hearing for their violations. No bail. Etc.
The people that would take custody can then arrange for a humane release not dumped on the streets thousands of miles from home.
And immediate means immediate. If not immediate the people involved are violation. The violation is not erased by release.
ICE etc whisk people around from state to state, and out of the country,so quickly that there are clearly no time consuming paperwork requirements that need to be followed before release.

The time given to enact judicial orders seems to be part of what ICE etc use to f--k around with the system. The court system needs to respond appropriately.

Eddited to ADD: the Jan 6th traitor were released pretty damn near immediately. The system must be made to respond as diligently and quickly to a judge's orders as to the president's.

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