The truth is just putting on its shoes...

[kentuck]

While the lies travel around the world.

I just watched a very disturbing, but enlightening, report by Ben Meiselas, on MTN.

He was examining some recently released emails from the Epstein files. He was reporting on a different aspect of Epstein's activities, mostly his connections to foreign leaders and Epstein being the "money manager" for Vladimir Putin.

There was so much information, it was over-whelming.

Meiselas just reported what was in the emails and did not offer opinions or theories. But you were left to come to your own conclusions.

There were emails that pre-dated the 2016 elections. Epstein was communicating with the Prime Minister of Norway, with Putin, with Ehud Barak of Israel, with the U.A.E. leaders, with numerous oligarchs, and had discussions of how to get Bolsonaro in power in Brazil and how to influence other elections? They had an email about Brexit and how it would be the "beginning".

The emails left me feeling very naive about everything going on in the world and how our elected leaders, especially Republicans, were being used to destroy our country, and how Donald Trump was subject to blackmail, etc.

I was left with the impression that the entire plan was to destroy the dollar as the major currency in the world, destroy the Federal Reserve, and to create new digital currencies to take its place. It all seems like one gigantic conspiracy.

It is impossible to assimilate it all, but it is much more than just a child sex-ring.

on edit, here is the link: wrong link deleted

The Title: Dark Secrets of Trump and Putin in Epstein Files Revealed

[kentuck]

1. Everyone on DU should go to YouTube and watch this report:

Dark Secrets of Trump and Putin in Epstein Files Revealed

Link:

&t=472s

[Hugin]

2. It's here...

“At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre." —Frank Zappa

The illusion is collapsing. We are finally seeing that there was a very small club of murderous vulgarians that none of us were in running the world for at least the last forty years. It’s had nothing to do with democracy or even common decency. Money and power were the only drivers.

[haele]

3. So, basically, the movie "The Kingsmen" wasn't completely fiction...

Sigh.

[Johnny2X2X]

4. Trump's entire empire built on blackmail

It's all he knows, gaining leverage over people and hammering them over the head with it to get his way.

And Epstein and his operation with Trump appears to be the mother of all honeypots. I can imagine how it all worked, fancy dinner parties and business meetings, next thing you know all the important people are going to Mar a lago or Epstein's apartment and there are girls. Probably for most of the targets they think these girls are 18 or 19, they're probably told as much. Only to find out later the girl they just cheated on their wife with is 14. Rinse and repeat hundreds of times. And that's how Epstein became a billionaire and trump became president, they had all the right people at their illegal sex parties.

[aeromanKC]

5. We've been seeing this in America on a smaller scale

See Lindsey Graham et. al.

[Johnny2X2X]

6. It's really pathetic

I know movies try to portray that all men, regardless of age, are weak minded and sex crazed. But that's not how most people are, especially ones who are older and have achieved a lot in their lives. As a 50 something male with a career as a professional, I just don't see myself succumbing to this type of nonsense. Risk everything for something brief like a night with a beautiful woman, how weak are these men? And then children to boot at times? Like where the hell are they finding these deviants?

It's all just John Grisham novel stuff on steroids. Is our country really being run by an evil cabal of child rapists right now? It sure seems like it.

And furthermore, are these rich and powerful men idiots? Bill Gates built Microsoft by being a ruthless and shrewd businessman, but he's going to fall for this nonsense at some nobody's apartment when he can afford to have his security staff bring him every working girl in Vegas to choose from? I just find it crazy that so many rich and powerful people are so easily compromised and that so many of them like underaged girls. It's not a normal thing to be attracted to underaged girls, even legal aged girls in college at 18 or 19 look like children to me. And yet, half the people now running the country are apparently into what Trump and Epstein were into. Even Elmo, whose list of girlfriends is full of some of the most beautiful women in the world also was attracted to teens? Maybe it's something about these personalities, they want it all, and the taboo and illegal is appealing because of the power it portrays. Just sick, all of them.

[multigraincracker]

25. The rich and powerful soon get bored and resort to the unthinkable to keep entertained.

[Marie Marie]

43. Exactly. And the more perverse they get, the more perversion they need to satisfy

that emptiness inside of them. All the money in the world couldn't fill that void so they turn to other "things". Snuff films??? Yeah, this whole Epstein thing knocked me on my ass and I already knew that it was bad. So MANY horrible men, playing respectability by day and monsters by night.

I knew these men existed and were out there but I am shocked at how large a web of sickos this entangles. And this is just 1 circle of trafficking and abuse. We all know that there are many more like this around the world. Makes me shudder...

[BComplex]

58. And that is why the oligarchs need to be taxed heavily, so that their wealth is

spread among the citizens of the countries that made their wealth possible, to the benefit of a healthier, more educated world.

[kentuck]

60. This should be the message of the opposition...

... to the obscenely wealthy individuals that act as if they are above the law. This would be the best way to fight them, in my opinion.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

53. Marquise de Sade

Said something about how rich and powerful men’s tastes and desires get more and more extreme until they can’t get more extreme then it kind of collapses then a mild bowl of oatmeal restarts the pleasure pain getting more extreme cycle all over again.

[Wednesdays]

32. "Risk everything for something brief..."

Well, therein is the rub. They don't think they're risking ANYTHING.

They figure they'd never be caught. And even if they're caught, they're rich and famous enough to slither out of any consequences.

[OldBaldy1701E]

55. Well, exactly what reason do they have to think we will do anything?

We worship them as it is.

[fierywoman]

41. Recall that part of the reason Melinda French Gates gave for divorcing Bill Gates was

that she thought he was too close to Epstein.

[AZ8theist]

39. I've always suspected Graham's flip-flop on Trump was child-sex related.......

......but just don't know WHICH GENDER

[Trueblue Texan]

27. Makes you wonder about aJill Stein, Rubio, etc...nt

[Traildogbob]

29. I have been

Watching PONI’S (People of no interest) on Peaock I think. Fiction but the story line are two wives of killed spies in Moscow, that start working for the CIA trove the roles of husbands.
Basically the battles between the CIA and the KGB in the seventies.
“EVERYBODY” had, or were bugging rooms to video each other with paid women, and men, to blackmail each other to get powerful positions, or destroy people in power.
The entire countries, both, used sex tapes to control the world.
Looking like the plot was replicating everything we are dealing with,
Cameras were everywhere and on everybody, to blackmail fools that could not control there sex drive.

[Cheezoholic]

7. There were a few of us here on DU that have been bringing this aspect of the Epstein fiasco for years

I'm glad MT is trying to get it out to a wider audience because it is the entire espionage/honeypot/leverage boiling kettle that I believe will, in the end, be the deepest hidden secret of Epstein. IMO the entire thing is going to boil down to these deep clandestine connections.

[kentuck]

10. I was aware that Epstein had connections to Putin...

...but I was not aware of his many connections to other foreign leaders or his being the "money manager" for Putin, or his connection to the Norwegian foreign minister, or his discussions about Bitcoin and digital currencies as far back as 2014?

I did suspect he was the "middleman" in Putin blackmailing Trump, which appears to be the case?

It gives new insight into the "Russian Mafia" that we have heard about for years.

It also shows us why Trump wants to fire the Fed Chairman. They want to remove the dollar as the favored currency around the world.

It puts ICE into a new perspective also. They are part of a deeper conspiratorial plan to take over America and to share her wealth with the world's fascists.

And that the UK was the first domino with their withdrawal from Brexit, which Epstein called "the beginning" in one of his emails.

[Lulu KC]

23. Re Norwegian PM, I have only seen stories about the Norwegian crown princess

I don't have the patience to watch videos right now, but diving into the Google machine. She did say that she thought Epstein was using her to reach other people.

[kentuck]

24. That's interesting.

I had not heard that.

But the video mentions the Norwegian Minister's name, which I forget. But he seemed to be more than a bit player, perhaps in the Bitcoin and digital currency part of the conspiracy.

[Bev54]

8. I have also been watching news videos from the UK and France and they are definitely

reporting this as a Putin/Israel honey trap and sex trafficking ring to gain kompromat on foreign government and other officials. It is so overwhelming that it leaves one in a state of shock.

Trump and his entire cabal need to be impeached immediately if you have any hope of saving your country. He has already compromised so much with the sale of info to Russia and Saudi and who the hell knows who else.

Is it any wonder other countries are not providing sensitive information to the US now. France already realized when they fed false information to Trump and it ended up in Putin's hands.

[kentuck]

15. In the emails, I thought it was interesting...

...that Epstein thought Brexit was "the beginning"? The "beginning" of what??

[Bev54]

50. Yep, the beginning of ruining the economy of the UK as they are now doing with the US

is my guess. The beginning of the end of democracy in Putin's eyes. The UK better be real careful with their Reform party and Nigel Farage. We Canadians woke up in time to dodge a bullet with the Trump loving conservative party here, I just hope they take note there.

[lonely bird]

57. Yes

In addition, it is tied to Project 2025 as well as the Techbros utopian nightmare and oligarchs in general believing they should run the world.

[Joinfortmill]

46. He has diminished the United States far more than we realize

[Bev54]

51. Yes, he truly has, while Americans are so busy with the destruction and madness

within your own borders, many are missing the economic destruction of the country that we on the outside see. In Canada the economy is the constant on our mind so we are watching the world wide changes being made and the US is in deep trouble. We will not escape a lot of it because of our close ties but we are already making changes that in the long run will help us out of this and we know exactly where the problem lies and that is with Trump. The world is moving away from US at unbelievable speed and it may well come as a real shock to most people in US.

The big thing we have accepted is that it is not ever going to be what it was before, it is over, I am not sure Americans understand that. Trump has forever changed the world and their relationship with the US.

[Joinfortmill]

56. Sadly, I couldn't agree more. We, in the U.S., are in for a world of hurt in many ways, including financially.

I honestly can't fathom it all, except to say there are powerful forces behind him and millions of 'dumber than rocks' or worse people supporting him. As an American, I will not be popular in saying, this has been a long time coming. My country is a great country in many ways, but this stain shall not pass easily.

[Mr.Bee]

9. No Wonder He HAD To DIE

The Man Who Knew TOO Much...

[Bev54]

52. Now I wonder if it was Trump or Putin that decided his fate.

[PatSeg]

11. Yes, I'm feeling very naive as well

I know the world is full of bad people who commit crimes effortlessly, but I had no idea how common and pervasive it was/is. What we're witnessing goes far beyond any imaginative geopolitical thriller book or movie.

So much of what is being revealed sounds like the wacky conspiracy theories that we hear so often from MAGA types. As such, sane rational people are hesitant to embrace it as truth. Sadly however the evidence is overwhelming. At my age, I didn't think anything could really shock me, but this is just too much to absorb in a short period of time. It is going to take a while.

[kentuck]

13. The truth is much stranger than fiction...

It is shocking to think such thoughts. How naive we are to the realities around us.

[PatSeg]

14. I thought by my age

I would be the wise and all-knowing family matriarch. This is a real jolt to one's system. I think most of the world is probably having a nervous breakdown.

It reminds me of how rational people in Germany and much of Europe must have felt in the 1930s and 1940s. Much too much evil for any one individual to absorb.

[kentuck]

16. I think most people are ignorant to what is happening around them...

In this case, ignorance is bliss. Knowledge is madness.

[PatSeg]

21. True, that is how and why authoritarians

take over. One big difference right now is that more people have access to news and information. We don't need Radio Free Europe, at least for now anyway.

[Figarosmom]

12. There's always power and money

With these guys

[Quanto Magnus]

17. Republicans crying about the deep state

was just more projection. The conspiracy is formed by oligarchs, Republicans, and other 'conservative' bad actors (Putin, MBS, other dictators).

[FakeNoose]

18. Yes it's possible to see some of this in the latest Epstein dump from last Friday

It doesn't necessary mention Putin himself, but there are bank transfer memos to and from Russian names (mostly going through Deutschebank) that involve big money. I wasn't looking too hard because I'm not an expert in this stuff, and I found a bunch of them in quick succession. If I'd had more time (and if I knew what I was doing) I'm sure I would have found a lot more.

People are looking for Chump's name in those documents, and they are passing by the most damning evidence against Epstein - namely his connections to Putin and the Russian oligarchs.

For all we know, Epstein could have been passing money from Putin directly to Chump! Of course this would have stopped when they had their falling out in 2008. But before 2008 it is certainly very possible (even likely) that Chump received bribe-money from Putin directly through Jeffrey Epstein.

[kentuck]

20. People have been focused on Trump's sex connections to Epstein...

...when his really big crimes were the financial, the money laundering and blackmail activities.

[Wednesdays]

33. Right. And that he was...

...more than just a John, but a PROVIDER of the underaged sex workers.

[evolves]

44. Agree, but PLEASE

do not refer to those girls as "sex workers." They were and are survivors of rape and untold abuses.

[H2O Man]

19. Recommended.

It's almost as if the DOJ was intent upon confusing people with this dump.

[kentuck]

22. That is a possibility.

3 million pages would take me years to go thru.

But I read very slowly.

Perhaps they think they can complete their "plan" before people can understand what is killing them?

[H2O Man]

30. Just my opinion,

but when the DOJ dumped them, it was intitially said that the three million were among six million reviewed. The other three million were not released, based upon the wisdom and honesty of the DOJ. A couple hours later, the DOJ said there were actually 200,000 not being released. I'm not sure that a 3rd grader who said three million equals 200,000 would pass the quiz. I am sure that the single most corrupt DOJ in our country's history is failing to be honest and obey the law.

[FakeNoose]

34. I believe Todd Blanche is making this up and wishes it were true

The judge said to release it all, and he didn't ask Blanche first.

[H2O Man]

35. To quote an old

saying, you can tell when Todd is lying by watching his lips move.

[Klarkashton]

26. All this from a dropout that was teaching high school

Physics badly?

How is this possible?

[H2O Man]

28. It's almost as if

Donald Barr, member of the OSS & CIA, recruited Epstein because he saw personality factors that might be useful to the other handlers he brought into the mix.

[FakeNoose]

36. Epstein didn't finish his college degree, but he was actually quite intelligent

He was very good at reading people and figuring out how to manipulate situations to his advantage. I'd be interested in learning how he was able to endear himself to Les Wexner for 20 years, and have access to his millions, make investments, and buy/sell properties in Wexner's name for years. Was Wexner so filthy rich that he didn't care what happened to his money? And these days Wexner says nothing about Epstein, except that it was all a mistake, and Epstein embezzled millions from him. (But he never pressed charges either.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Wexner

[malaise]

31. The shit will soon hit the fan

Take that to the bank

[Joinfortmill]

47. Totally agree.

[bobalew]

37. While we're at it. analyzing this mess:

perhaps we could do an org chart, mapping out the heirarchy of the controlling interests, starting with the ultrarich & powerful assembled by Epstein, then Putin, then Trump & his Epstein related installed "Crew",whom he controls via his blackmail, while being controlled by Putin & his blackmail. Then you get to begin to process the current world's power structure, which requires an immediate disassembly, as it imperils all of us!

[Rhiannon12866]

38. I couldn't agree more and I posted the video:

🚨DARK SECRETS of TRUMP AND PUTIN in Epstein Files REVEALED!!! - Meidas Touch
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1322105057

[JokeHer]

40. Elon says

That soonwe won’t even NEED money anymore because of AI and we’re all going to live in Utopia. Yeah… like the millionaires and billionaires are going to give up their money/power. This is all connected I believe and it’s huge - driven by money and power.

[Clouds Passing]

42. Sex, Money, Power --- The Trivirate

[Joinfortmill]

45. I watched that, too. More is coming, I fear. None of it good.

[stollen]

48. It's clear why we can't get a female president

In the US you have to be male, preferably "good Ole boy."

If you're a Black male, heaven help you, right, Mitch?

[I_UndergroundPanther]

54. Maybe the good ol boy network

Needs to be rooted out and utterly exposed and destroyed

[stollen]

63. Happening now

Has there ever been a better time for a woman to run for president (again)?

[FakeNoose]

61. Well a lot of white Americans voted for Barack Obama

... it's a wonder why they couldn't do the same for Kamala Harris.

[stollen]

62. ...because a lot of men see women as merely a "receptacle,"

and what is sadly remarkable is that many women buy into it.

[proud patriot]

49. thanks for this thread kentuck

very informative

[Doc_Technical]

59. While I'm reading this,

I can hear Gilbert Gottfried doing his version
of "The Aristocrats"