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countries other than the United States.
Tr**p and his minions are doing everything possible to make the story go away.
However, lately I've been hearing about other countries investigating this Epstein story - because this whole Epstein mess is really a world-wide concern. It just didn't involve rich men from the U.S. - it has transcended that and has become a global sensation.
I'm thinking that if we see any major developments on Epstein - we'll be seeing them come from other countries.
Any thoughts?
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bucolic_frolic
(54,779 posts)The structure we are fed is to control us. The rules are bent at the top.
bluestarone
(21,908 posts)Wouldn't that be beautiful? 
Torchlight
(6,657 posts)will consistently originate from outside the US.
I think at this point, major American media shareholders are cowed, bowed or wowed by Mr. trump, and will proudly wear the trump-brand mayonnaise in place of standard stage makeup as they plausibly avoid the Epstein story as much as audience allows them.
wcmagumba
(5,948 posts)
Scubamatt
(283 posts)ones with a free press? I sure hope so. I wonder what its like to live in a country where the press actually does its job . . . .
LymphocyteLover
(9,678 posts)who knows what all has been destroyed
global1
(26,507 posts)And the treatment that Tr**p has given to these other countries - they might want to get back at him and release stuff we haven't even seen yet. And unredacted!!!
LymphocyteLover
(9,678 posts)
Amaryllis
(11,177 posts)
joanbarnes
(2,113 posts)JMCKUSICK
(5,725 posts)
Wiz Imp
(9,625 posts)Other countries can target the activities that were going on in their countries (such as the procuring of girls being sent to Epstein in the US). By identifying those people involved, they can possibly incentivize them to divulge who they were working with in the US - we know it was much more than just Epstein. Once they get people to talk and name names, others that could still be prosecuted for their actions will be racing to cut deals and name others.
JT45242
(3,974 posts)Following the money will lead to the downfall of a bunch of folks.
Money laundering etc.
Wiz Imp
(9,625 posts)but it is defintiely being seriously investigated behind the scenes.
bobalew
(424 posts)explosion of "Modeling" agencies that occurred in the late '90's to early 2k's, when Ukraine began to become independent of the Russian Federation. These " models" were one of the sources of the underage girls to Putun, Trump, & Epstein Apparently Ukraine had just had enough of this _ so they made it a point to separate from Russia for this & other major reasons.. This one was just not made public. I think that this is just another cog in the crooked kompromat gears. Of course the websites of these modelling agencies were heavily monitored by the FSB, & could have been the reason that set of Republicans were invited to Moscow one 4th of July in the recent past.....
Conjecture or possibilty?
Clouds Passing
(7,709 posts)Kid Berwyn
(23,949 posts)Russia Thing is not a hoax.
Excerpt…
00:20:29] Jeff Schechtman: Talk about Jeffrey Epstein and how he enters this equation with Trump and the Russian mafia and Putin. Where does Epstein fit into this puzzle?
[00:20:38] Craig Unger: Well, that’s one thing I’m trying to find out more about right now, because I think, you know, we haven’t really looked at Epstein’s financial affairs in great, great depth. I mean, there’s been some reporting on Leon Black’s relationship to Epstein. Leon Black, of course, is a multi-multi-billionaire, and he paid Epstein, I believe it was $178 million, [for] what turned out to be tax advice and advice for estate planning. Well, I don’t know about you, but that’s a lot more than I pay my accountant. And you figure something else had to be going on there. Was that blackmail? Was it kompromat?
I also interviewed at great length a guy named John Mark Dugan, who was once a deputy sheriff in the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Department. And when I talked to him, Dugan was kind of a bad actor. He’d been fired from the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Department. A lot of people disliked him and said he was doing very, you know, dubious things. And he told me that he had gotten 478 videos from the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Department that Jeffrey Epstein had taken, presumably, of all of [the] sexual activities [he had] going on, whether it was in his Palm Beach house or his other houses was unclear. He actually showed me one of these sex tapes. And to be honest, I was not convinced that it was what he was claiming it to be. But John Mark Dugan ended up in Moscow. He showed me photos and I printed one of them in my book, American Kompromat. It shows him in Moscow with a guy named Borodin, who was one of Putin’s top aides. And this was just a couple of days after he had arrived in Moscow. And you had to wonder, this guy John Mark Dugan was really a nobody. How did he get appointments with the staff of these figures, with top Putin officials? And I mean, it looks like he’s selling kompromat. Whether that’s the case or not, I still don’t know. But he’s definitely an actor on behalf of Russia. He is putting out disinformation. And, you know, I think the whole Epstein operation in a way may have been used to get kompromat. That’s certainly possible. Again, whether it’s sex tapes or financial machinations, we don’t really know.
[00:23:43] Jeff Schechtman: Why has this been so difficult to pin down? Ten years there’s been talk about Trump and Russia and Putin, all of the things that we’ve been talking about, Craig. And yet 10 years later, there are still, at least within the polite company of the mainstream media, a sense of, well, there’s really no proof. It’s all a conspiracy. Probably didn’t really happen.
[00:24:08] Craig Unger: Right. Well, there are a lot of reasons. You know, I think one is, you know, I’ve written six books on the Republican Party’s assault on democracy. And [in] each one, you see the erosion of our checks and balances again and again and again. And when it comes to Trump and Epstein, one thing you see is that our regulations concerning the sale of real estate are pathetic. I mean, they are so weak that it’s a joke. That is, it is completely above board to buy real estate through anonymous limited liability corporations in which the name of the beneficial owner is obscured, so that you can buy real estate anonymously and you can do it in all-cash purchases. So if a mobster comes to your house and puts down six million dollars, by the way, that was 40 years ago and it’s the equivalent of $30 million today, that’s all good and well. And there’s suddenly no record of who owns the property thanks to the new transaction. And that is perfectly legal today. And it’s very hard to get beneath that. You know, you have a lot of countries, you know, I’m thinking of the Cayman Islands, the Bahamas, the Channel Islands, Panama, that seem to be devoted to allowing money laundering and other financial crimes. Well, the United States is becoming just like the rest of them in a way. And Trump and his allies and the Russian gangsters have taken full advantage of that. So all of that is one reason. I mean, and I could go on and on about the weakness of our regulations.
You know, I also think the media has failed in so many different ways. And I was looking back to when I started out in journalism, and, you know, I’m an old guy, as you may know, I’m 76 years old. And when I was in college and starting out in journalism, the stories that really animated me were the My Lai massacre, the Pentagon Papers, Watergate. And in each case, it was one or two or a handful of reporters who could do one story or more, maybe a series, but in so doing, they caused the entire national conversation to change. This was also a time when Americans, by and large, shared the same factual reality. That is not at all the case today. And over those last 50 years, I’ve watched that change again and again and again. I mean, I think it started to change back. You know, I just did a book on the October surprise of 1980. My most recent book was called Den of Spies. And when I started reporting that in 1991, for the first time I ran into my reporting was sort of erased by a battle for control of the narrative. That is, there were administration people close to the Bush administration that was then in power, people close to Henry Kissinger, who was also writing for Newsweek when I was there. And obviously, he had a hell of a lot more clout than I did. And those were the people who triumphed and they squashed a really, really important story that I think is a really significant part of American history concerning the 1980 presidential election.
Continues…
https://whowhatwhy.org/podcast/trump-putin-epstein-its-not-a-hoax/
Clouds Passing
(7,709 posts)“In the early 1990s, real estate developer and future U.S. president Donald Trump sold numerous properties to individuals with ties to the Russian mafia. Among them was also Semion Mogilevich who was among the early investors and bought an apartment in Trump Tower.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semion_Mogilevich
Sogo
(7,118 posts)Javaman
(65,515 posts)when you have a really be blanket to unravel, sometimes it takes many threads to be pulled.
Joinfortmill
(20,807 posts)Trump and his band of pervs are SCREWED.
bluestarone
(21,908 posts)I would do 3000 back flips, IF i could! ( remember, i'm 78 years old though) 
Escape
(431 posts)gave me hope that foreign intelligence and journalism might shine a light on some of the details of the Epstein affair that are being kept in the dark here.
Warpy
(114,544 posts)but don't expect too much to come of it, the heyday of Epstein's sex business was the 1990s and most of the procurers are in nursin homes, dead, or really didn't know what jobs those girls were really going to be forced to do.
It isn't just Epstein and it's still going on, "modeling" is one of the main ways to get teenager girls into the sex worker pipeline.
Besides, what I'm waiting for is for the rest of his business to be exposed---the scams, the money laundering, all of it. His domestic sex tourism business wouldn't have paid his kind of money.
Dear France,
Thank you for Lady Liberty. We love her! Please send us the Epstein files.
Love,
The Good People of the USA
debsy
(859 posts)Bev54
(13,380 posts)even if the public does not. They need to name every man who was responsible for the rape of these young women. I am often doubtful but all you need is a judge to assign a special master.
They're sitting on their asses!
hoosierspud
(232 posts)And they did a piece about other countries that were reporting about Epstein. It's all across the globe.
sop
(18,193 posts)
VGuerra276
(89 posts)I'm keeping my eyes on France and Poland.
Sneederbunk
(17,390 posts)
UTUSN
(77,431 posts)will take all the blockbuster prizes. Along the lines of the slew of Third Reich books. Hope they get started before THIEL takes over.
pat_k
(12,912 posts)https://www.reuters.com/world/poland-probe-possible-links-between-epstein-russia-pm-tusk-says-2026-02-03/
Everything about Donald Trump is about money. He is not just a tool of Russia.
I have no doubt that far more incontrovertible evidence of the deep relationship between Trump and Russian intelligence is going to be exposed. It may not be until he is long gone, but when the true extent becomes undeniable it will be the most monumental national and international scandal of our times.
usonian
(24,478 posts)'A special place in hell': New taskforce to hunt down 'scouts' who sent girls to Epstein
VERY IMPORTANT POST
Scouts who sent girls to Epstein
Start here:
303squadron’s landmark thread.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220735608
Just hear me out, what if he's not just in the Epstein files
But actually a part of the trafficking ring. He ran the Rump Modeling Agency and owned the Miss Teen America Pagent.
That might explain why the Pharisee Speaker of the House is trying so hard to stop information from coming out.
And we all know he’ll do anything for a buck!
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Ah, yes. The Trump Modeling Agency and the Miss Teen America Pageant.
Recruiting grounds.
Hassler
(4,859 posts)But it will be printed in The Guardian and other foreign press outlets.
vapor2
(4,260 posts)Massie said he would read the names on the floor
NNadir
(37,731 posts)...threatening Starmer's government based on his attempt to appoint an Epstein associate to the role of US ambassador.
Prince Andy Randy has been deprinced.
The rest of the world is treating it seriously and it will fester here for some time to come.
róisín_dubh
(12,296 posts)I found that…interesting.
Grins
(9,373 posts)European intelligence services KNEW about Trump and Russia for years. In 2015 Dutch intelligence warned the FBI and CIA about both, but didn’t go far enough.
Martin68
(27,451 posts)
Pacifist Patriot
(25,210 posts)could have figured out easily enough that this is a global story with national security implications for many countries besides the United States. I'm honestly surprised it hasn't blown wide open before now.
SergeStorms
(20,337 posts)Think of how many sex trafficking rings haven't been exposed while all the heat is on Epstein.
It's an extremely lucrative business, especially since there are so many more toxic billionaires in the world since TrumpCo. stole power.