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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDear Bozos, Fuckerberg, the South African Nazi and the rest of you authoritarian dipshit supporting billionaires
The German oligarchs in 1930 learned that fascism is "good" for business...until it isn't!
If you think your "gubmint" contracts and insane wealth accumulation is at "risk" under Donnie Dipshits misadministration, you ain't seen nothing yet.
For my DU brothers and sisters: "If you haven't dumped your Amazon, Facebook and X-crement entanglements yet, what are you waiting for?"
Nothing will change! The racism, fascism, misogyny, hatred and white supremacy...NONE OF IT...will change, unless and until we make racism, fascism, misogyny, hatred and white supremacy UNPROFITABLE to the corporations, businesses and individuals that fund and enable it.
UpInArms
(54,413 posts)Never had X
Dumped WP in 2018
Dumped Amazon 2025
SpankMe
(3,674 posts)You held on to that for a long time!
UpInArms
(54,413 posts)I still have Word Perfect!
mwmisses4289
(3,527 posts)While good alternatives for twitter/x exist (Mastodon, Bluesky) and amazon (go directly to website of small or local retailer), I have yet to see a good alternative for Facebook.
MySpace? That appears to be mostly musicians now, and they appear to get very irate if anyone who is not a musician signs on. There are several invite only sites that are Facebook alternatives, but they are just that, invite only, and are geared toward specific groups. So, someone with more website building knowledge than I have willing to create an alternative to facebook?
hunter
(40,459 posts)DU is my only "social media" and even this place gets to be too noisy for me sometimes.
Tree Lady
(13,102 posts)I quit twitter years ago and cancelled Amazon last year but I have private fb groups and old friends on fb. Close family meets on messenger video weekly.
Joinfortmill
(20,471 posts)FB doesn't delete all your account info apparently, for I can still click on the site and view stuff. I haven't really missed it, and I had over 1k followers, as myself, at one point.
DU is my 'go to' site and substack is a close second. I'm also on Bluesky a bit.
In the end, we all do our part in the best way we can. Speaking truth to power on FB is another way. Just be you.
lonely bird
(2,820 posts)I only go there for things like high school get togethers and a couple other groups. I probably go onto it once a month and rarely post anything.
vapor2
(4,085 posts)I left FB and feel "safe" on Du and BS. Just sick of the evil, wicked goons lying and grifting and using our tax $$$$$
mdbl
(8,264 posts)Never use Fakebook or any of that other crap social media. I read Twatter once in a while before Eloon Skum bought it.
SergeStorms
(20,200 posts)how many more internet "stores" sell the same goods cheaper than on Amazon, maybe they'd change their minds.
They just don't shop comparatively and assume everything is cheaper on Amazon. It certainly isn't and their "free shipping" is costing them a bundle.
And Bezos gets to buy the government and destroy the free press in the process.
GusBob
(8,188 posts)The list of successful German companies and technology that supported the Wehrmacht that are still around today might surprise you.
Small example: If you wear eyeglasses or have been to the eye Dr, chances are you have benefitted from Nazi optics
Nothing will change you say? Many of these corporations that are still hugely profitable have acknowledged their shady pasts and have changed for the better
ret5hd
(22,332 posts)support fascism because someday it may get better!
FakeNoose
(40,665 posts)It's never because subscribers dump their free subscriptions. Facebook makes most of their profits from advertising. When advertisers are told "I'm not buying your products because you support Facebook" and if they hear it enough times, THEN things will change on Facebook.
Johnny2X2X
(23,822 posts)I fear we're seeing the oligarchy starting to really exercise the power of AI to shape opinion in this country. The bot armies are on the march in every thread across the internet when anyone criticizes the oligarchy. And they're proactively pumping out content to shape views non stop on FB, Youtube, Reddit, and thousands of sites that have comment threads. They don't have to convince everyone, but if they can shape the views of 10-15% of people on different subjects, they can completely control the narrative overall.
It's terrifying to me as I watch it in real time. It's almost like they're just telling the tech giants to, "make the people think this..." and then it gets done.
ZDU
(1,158 posts)mysteryowl
(8,662 posts)Their country is working and that raid on his offices could turn into something.
Joinfortmill
(20,471 posts)Also, you can buy directly from many vendors, bypassing Amazon.
ret5hd
(22,332 posts)i search amazon for the comparison of brands for an item i am needing, then go to that companies web site to buy directly from them.
Bondor
(67 posts)Is there a good alternative to Amazon for one-stop shopping with cheap or free shipping? I would very much prefer not to support the sycophant Bezos. Who is a more defiant alternative?
maxrandb
(17,276 posts)I guess we learned nothing from our last "too big to fail" experience.
At one time, I believed that America was "too big to fail", but so far, the jury is out on that.
Maybe I should ask my 98 year old mom what "alternative" to meat they had back in 1941? She's tiny, but would still probably kick my ass for asking.
We are "almost" at a point where we will need to choose between comfort and convenience, or freedom...hell! we may already be there.
So to answer your question; "I don't know", but I think we better figure it out quick.
RainCaster
(13,441 posts)I'm starting to use search engines a lot more when shopping. With a little bit of looking, I can find places with a minimum shipping fee and reasonable prices for what I need. I'm willing to put up with a few extra days of shipping, which helps.
kimbutgar
(26,975 posts)And I have found several things I used to buy on Amazon.
I could quit amazon completely but my husband is now retired and likes to watch the movies on streaming and dosent want me to close out my account
sir pball
(5,287 posts)~25% of their overall profit comes from the retail/entertainment division; the other 75% comes from Amazon Web Services
which is essentially impossible to avoid if you want your Internet to be meaningfully useful.
Hell, DU ultimately runs on AWS, at least last time I checked
not a texan
(87 posts)Not asking for sympathy, but living on Big Island means that sometimes if you want or need something that Amazon is the way to go. I shop local for most things but we only make so many things here. Like many places, retail is coming down to a few giants that seem just about as bad as Amazon. It is the free shipping that makes Amazon work. Frequently, the shipping cost on things can rival the price of the object.
Cirsium
(3,628 posts)The German oligarchs in the 1930s profited wildly and then walked away with the loot.
People should be more aware: the business dynasties who benefited from Nazis
excerpts:
A new book, Nazi Billionaires, investigates how Germanys richest business dynasties made fortunes by aiding and abetting Adolf Hitlers Third Reich. It also examines how, eight decades later, they still escape close scrutiny and a nation that has done so much to confront its catastrophic past still suffers a very particular blind spot.
...
Ferdinand Porsche convinced Hitler to put the Volkswagen Beetle into production. The company thrived under his son, Ferry Porsche, who volunteered for the SS, became an officer and lied about it for the rest of his days. Ferry Porsche designed the first Porsche sports car and surrounded himself with former SS members in the 50s and 60s.
...
Herbert Quandt inherited vast wealth from his father and saved BMW from bankruptcy, becoming the companys biggest shareholder. Two of his children, Stefan Quandt and Susanne Klatten, are now Germanys wealthiest family, with close to majority control of the BMW Group, large holdings in the chemical and technology industries and a net worth of about $38bn.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/may/18/nazi-billionaires-book-hitler-bmw-porsche
How Nazi Billionaires Thrived in Postwar Germany
excerpts:
In Nazi Germany, industrialists built vast fortunes from slave labor and stolen Jewish property. In postwar West Germany, they were allowed to keep them with denazification doing little to trouble those who had profited most from the regime.
The Americans limited the number of trials against industrialists because they didnt want to put capitalism on trial. At that time, the Cold War was getting started, and the Americans made this policy decision where they wanted to rebuild West Germany as a democratically viable and economically strong state, which would act as a buffer against the Soviet Union and the encroachment of communism.
The denazification of Germany is a myth. It never took place. There was a continuation of money and power from Nazi Germany to West Germany, and also, to an extent, in East Germany, because former SS officers became high-ranking Stasi and party officials. But it was far more pervasive in West Germany, where in whatever part of society, whether business, legal, medical, academic, or media there was no denazification.
https://jacobin.com/2022/10/nazi-billionaires-businesses-denazification-de-jong-interview
The Nazi Evil Behind Germany's Wealthiest Companies
It is well known that many dynastic German companies owe their standing to their complicity even willful participation in Nazi evil.
excerpts -
Supplying uniforms to the German empire, textile magnate Gunther Quandt made millions during World War I. Shortly after, when electrification was booming worldwide, he gained control of one of the world's largest battery-makers. He soon acquired one of Germany's primary arms and ammo manufacturers. This was just the beginning. He went on to gain stupendous wealth and power through deals with the Nazis. The story of Quandt, as told in David de Jong's Nazi Billionaires: The Dark History of Germany's Wealthiest Dynasties, evokes awe and dread. For it is about soulless profiteering and participation without any qualms in the enslavement and massacre of millions of Jews.
With the advent of the Cold War in 1947, President Harry S. Truman's priorities shifted from punishing Germany to enabling its economic recovery. American occupation made way for German self-governance. Suspected war criminals and Nazi sympathizers were handed over to German courts. Punishments were minor because Germans were reluctant to judge compatriots for what they themselves had indulged in. Truth was a casualty. While Nazi industrialists scrubbed their records clean, the U.S. oversaw a series of acts of clemency in 195051, including for Flick. The Korean war was on, so America needed Germany and its industry.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/05/the_nazi_evil_behind_germanys_wealthiest_companies.html
Coventina
(29,433 posts)ALTERNATIVES ARE THERE IF YOU BOTHER LOOKING!
Quit whining on DU if you find it impossible to give up a tiny bit of comfort.
Wednesdays
(21,881 posts)Check here to see if your favorite companies support fascism:
https://www.goodsuniteus.com/
Initech
(107,928 posts)A *TRILLION* dollars. That kind of money is unfathomable.
ret5hd
(22,332 posts)modrepub
(4,015 posts)Will mirror 2008 and not the S&L carnage. At least in the later big banks we broken up into much smaller pieces and sold off to buyers instead giving them to big banks making them even bigger. It still bothers me today that more folks werent jailed after 2008
Putting people people back in charge after making huge mistakes or executing criminal acts just gives them license to do it again
Initech
(107,928 posts)And their owners need to be arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit treason against the United States.
Dave Bowman
(6,911 posts)NNadir
(37,513 posts)...yes, we bought stuff from them for convenience and from gift cards we received, but otherwise we're done. My wife and I discussed it last night.
ransomeli
(4 posts)THIS MESSAGE CANNOT BE REPEATED ENOUGH. The cash register will do what voting is not getting done!
cer7711
(610 posts). . . to keep the National Socialists out of power.
This is also part of the warning from history.
UNITE TO FIGHT THE RIGHT!