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A low-carbohydrate, high-fat diet might cure schizophrenia and other psychological disorders, according to Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Kennedy said during a speech in Nashville, Tennessee, on Wednesday that a ketogenic diet, more commonly known as keto, can cure schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.
The brief comment in his 20-minute address, alongside Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee, came as Kennedy touted the Trump administrations new Dietary Guidelines for Americans document, which sets the food policy for federally funded nutrition programs such as food stamps and school lunches.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/rfk-jr-touts-keto-diet-as-cure-for-schizophrenia/ar-AA1VFGdc
Coldwater
(1,288 posts)
no_hypocrisy
(54,919 posts)
C_U_L8R
(49,394 posts)will surely kill off one of your selves.
TommieMommy
(2,908 posts)bucolic_frolic
(55,180 posts)Is it a war on psychology to boost preachers? Using food as a cure for everything while they pollute us to death with deregulation?
Mediterranean diet for longevity. Keto diet has side effects. All that fat for heart disease, cancer, and kidney stress.
Phoenix61
(18,834 posts)concluding it would work for mental health conditions is bonkers.
Ms. Toad
(38,655 posts)With some preliminary success.
Phoenix61
(18,834 posts)They all had a metabolic disorder.
On average, the participants improved 31% on a psychiatrist rating of mental illness known as the clinical global impressions scale, with three-quarters of the group showing clinically meaningful improvement.
75% of 31% is not a cure. The scale is an observation scale and this wasnt a double blind study so the psychiatrist knew they were part of the study. Interesting and worth further study, absolutely, a cure, definitely not.
Ms. Toad
(38,655 posts)I said there was some preliminary success
And that it is being researched
Neither Stanford nor Mass General are quack facilities. RFK Jr certainly is a quack - but that doesn't mean that every single thing he says is deserving of knee jerk ridicule.
Phoenix61
(18,834 posts)75% of (31% of 21) = 75% of 6.5 = 4.8. Thats a little less than a quarter. How much of that is the Hawthorn Effect? Ill wait for a double-blind peer reviewed study before I think much of anything about this.
Ms. Toad
(38,655 posts)As you did in the post to which I responded.
Phoenix61
(18,834 posts)Im all for pursuing further research. My point was its no where near A cure for schizophrenia status.
Sparkly
(24,885 posts)Is there a conclusive scientific study buried in there?
Ms. Toad
(38,655 posts)I said there was currently being researched, with some indication of success. If you read the article, you see there were positive case studies by Stanford (some indication of success), and Mass General is recruiting for a pilot study (research being done).
I was responding to someone who suggested it was bonkers to suggest it might help mental health. Apparently researchers at some big name institutions don't believe it is bonkers.
3catwoman3
(29,431 posts)the bloody fucking hell is wrong with him?
Pizza slice
(35 posts)Thatll fix it
Ms. Toad
(38,655 posts)This is something being researched, with some preliminary success.
Samael13
(134 posts)I'm a bipolar schizophrenic and I deal with enough issues with people telling me what I need to do to feel better. This idiot parroting a study thats dubious at best and calling it a cure does nothing but hurt me.
Ms. Toad
(38,655 posts)that research being done by Mass General and Stanford is worth pursuing, simply because you are learning about it from an idiot?
Just as a point of reference, one of the most promising treatments for a rare disease my daughter has (which currently has zero approved treatments) is being dismissed as stupid and worthless because the doctor who discovered it was a pediatrician who is not a researcher by profession. In the two decades since she discovered the link there have been dozens of studies - all supporting what started as a series of case studies - and it is still not an approved treatment. I have little tolerance for rejecting, out of hand, ideas simply because one of the proponents isn't deemed worthy of respect.
Samael13
(134 posts)If it shows anything close to real results which at the moment it really hasn't id be happy to admit im wrong. But this isn't the first time doctors have tried to diet away mental health issues and it ended badly for us
Ms. Toad
(38,655 posts)People tried to diet away ulcers, and laughed off the initial discovery that nearly all ulcers have a bacterial cause. My daughter's rare condition has some similarities to ulcers (it ulcerates and scars parts of the GI system). People have had remarkable results using antibiotics (remission, in some cases reverses of scaring - and every study has had neutral to positive results) - yet people are laughing it off as ridiculous and dangerous - while alterations of diet are more accepted (even though there is strong evidence that, aside from isolated cases where something specific in diet is a trigger, diet plays little to no role).
With schizophrenia you have the "luxury" that it is at least a relatively common condition. There are currently treatment options. My daughter's condition is so rare that there aren't treatment options (short of a transplant - and then it recurs) and not enough money to be made on any newly discovered treatments so no substantial research is going on. We have to pay a lot more attention to not-really-ready-for-prime-time evidence to have the best chance of survival.
I'm glad you have something that is working for you!
Samael13
(134 posts)Ms. Toad
(38,655 posts)We had hopes when a cure was found for hepatitis C, and all those liver researchers needed a new place to turn their energy . . . but that has been years and they are still touting the same drugs which were in trial when she was diagnosed 17 years ago as promising/new hope on the horizon.
bif
(27,007 posts)Norbert
(7,772 posts)and have dropped 20 pounds. I must restart it more vigorously.
Using Keto to cure schizophrenia is ... how can I say this ... CRAZY.
Ms. Toad
(38,655 posts)struggle4progress
(126,191 posts)into whether the high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet might help patients with the disorder ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/05/us/politics/kennedy-keto-diet-schizophrenia.html
When I need medical advice, I also ask a former pusher with a history of heroin addiction and parasitic b rain infections!
mr715
(3,576 posts)sakabatou
(46,156 posts)iemanja
(57,760 posts)like so much else RFJ jr does. His goal is to wipe out Americans.
mucholderthandirt
(1,787 posts)This guy is a dumbass. Typical MAGA stupidity and insanity. We need to turn about half the country into a walled mental asylum and send them all there for life. No contact, no help, just close them in and let nature take her course.
haele
(15,412 posts)I live with 4 genetically similar people who have functionally affective neuro-divergence along ADHD and Autism spectrum and rapid-cycle bipolar. Each has episodes that are triggered by different situations, have different symptomatic conditions. Three are medicated, and each react differently to various types of medication; and two have been on keto diets in the past - and other than the physical benefits of the weight loss, less stress on joints that resulted in less pain, and lower A1Cs, there was no noticeable change to their conditions that warrented a change in medication.
Now, Metformin, a blood sugar medication often used by people who do keto for weight loss or health reasons, has been found to be useful in treating the brain fog of Long COVID, along with some neurological problems (like Alzheimer's) related to plaque concentration in the brain. And I'll only say that because there's been several years of study, the reasons and environment in which the drug would be effective was modeled and tested, and several thousand participants tested before this was announced.
On edit...
But that doesn't make what works in some people the be-all/cure-all. And what's very telling is that they're still in early testing of this expanded hypothesis.
Only snake oil influencers looking to make a buck announce a "break through" in early tests.
Jacson6
(2,018 posts)Klarkashton
(5,306 posts)Permanut
(8,397 posts)I will carefully consider RFK Jr.s credentials - his training, accomplishments and experience in the field of medicine.
Takket
(23,720 posts)as we all look on with outrage as ICE thugs murder Americans in cold blood in broad daylight, that among drmupf's cabinet members, no one is going to kill more Americans and immigrants alike than RFK, and it isn't even close.
niyad
(132,508 posts)extreme bipolar episodes, yes?
Zackzzzz
(364 posts)Initech
(108,799 posts)It's because of this bullshit that nearly 1,000,000 people died from COVID and people reject science for wellness garbage.
Skittles
(171,744 posts)what a fucking quack he is
La Coliniere
(1,937 posts)I know. Many years ago I was on it once for about 6 months, when it was simply called a low carb diet, and lost most of my body fat and dropped over 30 lbs. But I dont believe its a healthy diet to remain on once the weight is lost. Ive been a vegetarian since then, mostly vegan in the past 10 years and have kept most of that weight off over all the subsequent years. I read the study and think its too preliminary to make any assumptions about a keto diet curing schizophrenia. Thats ridiculous.
Coldwater
(1,288 posts)RFK, Jr. claims the keto diet can cure schizophrenia, and yet preliminary studies suggest that a high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet could reduce schizophrenia symptoms in some people, but claiming its a cure is misleading.