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[JBTaurus83]

1. Same goes for the US and Israel

Since no countries involved follow any type of engagement rules, it won’t get any better.

[Eko]

2. Uhhh,

Who started this?

[sarisataka]

4. Does that give Iran carte blanch to attack civilians?

Yesterday attacking a water treatment plant was a war crime. When Iran did it today against a non-combatant country... crickets

[JBTaurus83]

8. Well I can only speak for myself

But, I’ve said all three countries are committing crimes. Would you say that the USA and Israel have followed the rules of engagement..or is it crickets?

[sarisataka]

24. There have been no crickets

There has been a lot if criticism of attacks on Iran, including my own criticism since day one.

[Melon]

10. I can't find anything valid and US denied an attack on water treatment

The desalination attack is only Iran saying this with zero way of checking. The same quote is getting past around. US said no. I very much question the validity at this point.

[JBTaurus83]

12. How about

The girls school, the unarmed ship that was sunk with no effort to save survivors (even Japan and the Nazis did that), or Tehran being enveloped in toxic fumes and chemicals that will poison the water supply? To name a few.

[Melon]

15. Do I now need to answer for the list you provided

Because I’m questioning the Iranian report on the desalination report?
Qeshm Island Has 150,000 people and is not on mainland Iran. Don’t doesn’t make a lot of sense when the US has nothing stopping it from taking our large facilities.

I was in a translated Iran site that was initially posting this and a lot of the stories looked like fiction. I was hoping your follow up was a that someone has validated it.

[sarisataka]

25. Girl's school definitely

Iran has not claimed the ship was unarmed, only internet "sources". There are now also "sources" saying the ship was warned twice.
BTW in WW2 the US also waged unrestricted submarine warfare. Adm. Nimitz was called as a witness for the defense at Nuremberg.

[SamuelTheThird]

13. Bahrain is being used to launch attacks

So, not a non-combatant country.

US, Israel and Iran are all freely flouting laws and rules

[sarisataka]

26. Bahrain is not attacking Iran

They are a non-beligerent not a combatant.

Regardless of terminology, yesterday attacking civilian infrastructure was a war crime...

[AloeVera]

30. "Attacking civilian infrastructure was a war crime".

Thank you.

I waited two and a half years for you and others to admit that.

[Eko]

33. The amount of hypocrisy evident in all this would be amusing if it weren't so damn sad.

[sarisataka]

37. Ironically true

But not necessarily in the way you meant.

[sarisataka]

35. So will you and others

Condemn Iran for committing war crimes?

[Eko]

16. Cant seem to find where I said anything like it gives them carte blanch at all.

However, you did say this. "Innocent civilians targeted by Iran for absolutely no reason."
As if being attacked first is no reason.
As if having one of their schools bombed and 170 people mainly kids being killed is no reason.
As if having their desalination plant bombed is no reason.
As if killing 70,000 people in Gaza where conservative estimates put at least half are civilians is no reason.
But ya, absolutely no reason.

[sarisataka]

28. You didn't say it

But the who started it seems an tacit acceptance. Even though Bahrain did not start it

[Eko]

31. Of course you leaving out the facts that the same thing has happened against Iran

seems like a tacit acceptance that you think it is ok if it happens to them. Right? It seems like it right? How wrong would I be to assume that?
Bahrain is the base of the US 5th fleet.

[sarisataka]

34. I have condemned the attacks on Iran

Starting day one- so let's just burn that strawman and pretend it never existed.

Yes Bahrain is the HQ if the 5th Fleet (I've been there in person). That is a US owned military target and I didn't say a word against Iran for targeting it.

I am against Iran attacking civilian targets and attacking countries that have not attacked them.

[Eko]

38. And I have condemned the attacks by Iran since day one.

I never created a strawman, I just showed yours and asked you to see how wrong it was and admit it. Something you still haven't done.
I'm glad you agree that Bahrain is the headquarters of the 5th fleet. Now that we have that fact nailed down lets revisit.
Bahrain US 5th fleet.
US attacked Iran first.
And there is still no reason for Iran to attack Bahrain? None at all?
Personally the attack on civilians was wrong but I would not say that they have no reason. Their entire country was attacked not by one country but by two. Me not agreeing with their reason and claiming that they have none are two wildly different things. Imagine if I claimed that Israel had no reason to attack all of the civilians in Gaza? That would be wrong right? They had a reason I just think it was 100% wrong. Wouldn't me claiming that they had no reason just invalidate everything that happened on Oct 7th? If you can see that then you can see why I said what I said.

[sarisataka]

41. Something you still haven't done....

I literally just said I condemned the attacks on Iran.

[Eko]

42. What did I not do?

[sarisataka]

44. It was your words

(Mea culpa for not adding quotation marks)
You claimed I still had not condemned the attacks on Iran, which I had done in the past you replied to and elsewhere.

[Eko]

47. I didnt claim that at all.

"I never created a strawman, I just showed yours and asked you to see how wrong it was and admit it. Something you still haven't done. "
What was your strawman?
"But the who started it seems an tacit acceptance."
And my example that you never admitted was wrong?
"Of course you leaving out the facts that the same thing has happened against Iran seems like a tacit acceptance that you think it is ok if it happens to them. Right? It seems like it right? How wrong would I be to assume that? "
See how you assumed that I thought it was ok because my answer back to you didnt state that I was against it but only stated that they had reasons is a strawman just like if I assumed you were ok with it on the other side because your statement never said you werent against it is the same thing?
If you have posts where you stated that and I replied back to you then feel free to show them.

[sarisataka]

49. I misunderstood the reference

Here is what I am against-

All of the attacks on Iran
Iranian attacks on noncombatants*
Attacks on civilians in Iran, Israel and any other countries.

*I do not condemn Iranian attacks against US military targets (airfields, radar installations, the 5th Fleet HQ) in the Gulf countries- a military response to an unjustified attack is reasonable.

[Eko]

50. I am against the whole thing.

[sarisataka]

55. Admirable position and I wish none of it happened

However, since Iran was attacked, I do not expect them to sit back and take it without response any more than I would expect it of any other country.

[ColoringFool]

18. Iran Wasn't Attacking ANYTHING UNTIL THE US ATTACKED HER......

Let's not lose sight of the casus belli.

[sarisataka]

29. Did Bahrain attack Iran?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

73. And let's not lose sight of the fact that just because Iran was attacked doesn't excuse their

war crimes any more than it excuses Israel and US war crimes.

[pcdb]

14. Do you think Bahrain started it?

[Eko]

19. Israel and the US did.

Bahrain is the home of the US fifth fleet.

[AloeVera]

54. And home of Naval Forces Central Command Central Command.

Further, they are co-located in the capital city of Manama, among residential areas.

Oh the irony...

Since the Fifth Fleet headquarters is located in Manama, near civilian areas, any strike on or near the facility carries immediate implications for host-nation security and civilian infrastructure.

https://www.military.com/feature/2026/02/28/attack-us-navy-fifth-fleet-headquarters-bahrain.html

Note that the 5th Fleet and Central Command were struck on the same night as the video in the o/p was taken. Just how close was that building?

[Eko]

59. About a mile away from the navy base.

https://www.cnn.com/world/video/bahrain-iran-drone-strike-high-rise-building-digvid
Video geolocated and verified by CNN shows Iranian Shahed drones striking the upper floors of the Era Views Tower in Manama, Bahrain, a residential high-rise roughly a mile from a US Navy base.

[AloeVera]

61. Well within the accuracy of an Iranian Shabeb drone of 1.5 miles

Thanks.

[EX500rider]

64. "the accuracy of an Iranian Shabeb drone of 1.5 miles" So basically just a terror weapon then?

[AloeVera]

66. It's certainly one reason why the two madmen should not have attacked Iran

They were told of the consequences and didn't care.

Every missile, bomb and drone is a terror weapon. Just ask the millions terrorized by them - though most are dead.

The US has the most terror weapons in the world. Israre just acquired another 27,000 from the U.S. - without congressional approval.

[Justice matters.]

67. Just curious to know (or not) what if military personel lived in a condo up there?

A few story up from where that clip was taped.

[EX500rider]

78. So you're asking if they hit a legitimate target by accident?

[WarGamer]

52. define start. 1979?

[Eko]

53. When the US and Israel attacked Iran on 02-28-26.

This war started on 02-28-26.

[Eko]

60. We could go earlier. 1953.

But that would be stupid to do so. This war has a defined start and its 02-28-26.

[sarisataka]

3. Iran is permitted to commit war crimes without criticism

because reasons

[MarineCombatEngineer]

5. Seems to be,

just because Israel and the US, IMHO, are committing war crimes doesn't mean that Iran can go criticism free when they commit war crimes.

[JBTaurus83]

9. All three are worthy of criticism

This has been a disaster.

[ColoringFool]

23. Fine. Criticize Iran. Now Ask: Was Iran Attacking Bahrain BEFORE?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

63. Are you suggessting that because Iran was attacked that their war crimes should be overlooked?

You can't criticize just Isael and the US for war crimes but stay silent on Iran's war crimes, well, you can, but that would be highly hypocritical.

[ColoringFool]

20. The US Attacked Illegally. THAT IS A WAR CRIME.

[sarisataka]

43. Is Iran attacking many countries a WAR CRIME

When those countries did not attack Iran?

[artemisia1]

71. Attacks were launched against Iran from bases in these countries. The Iranian attacks are either on U.S. bases or

areas where intelligence and military personnel are quartered.

[sarisataka]

72. Except for the attacks on hotels,

Apartments, and desalination plants. If we don't count those and Cyprus or Azerbaijan it is mostly US military targets.

[artemisia1]

75. The apartments struck were used as quarters for military and intelligence personnel. The desalinization plant was

in direct retaliation for an Iranian plant hit the day before. It was them saying we can do the same to you. I do think it was unwise of Iran to do this, but they did have a reason.

[sarisataka]

76. It isn't a war crime when done in retaliation?

Even when the country struck did not launch the attack?

As of this moment, we have no proof anyone struck the Iranian desalination plant besides their say so. I'm not denying it happened but so far Iran has not hesitated to release pictures and videos of damage from attacks. So far they have not shown the plant in question.

[artemisia1]

6. One where military and/or intelligence personnel had their quarters. Goodness knows, I am no fan of the Mullahs,

but both Israel and the U.S. do indiscriminate bombing to collapse societies and governments.

[Renew Deal]

7. That video was wild

The person filming was a few feet from being vaporized

[Boo1]

11. If my homeland were being bombed

I probably wouldn't care if I hit a few civilian targets either.

[ColoringFool]

21. Did Hiroshima Help? Many Say Yes. Yet ...War Crime.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

74. Oh this crap again?

My dad was one of the original Seabees and was slated to be in the initial invasion wave, which he more than likely wouldn't have survived.
If not for Pres. Truman authorizing the dropping of the bomb, I, and millions of other children their children, their children's children etc., wouldn't be here so don't give me that nonsense that bringing the war to an end using the bomb was a war crime.

It's certainly easy to sit on your high horse and declare it a war crime, but you weren't there were you?
You weren't facing imminent death or injury invading a country that was willing to commit mass suicide attacks against US forces were you?

[RockRaven]

27. Oh man, I wonder where they learned it from?

[sop]

32. It's a war. Terrible things happen. There are no "good guys" here. Israel, the U.S. and Iran are all to blame,

but some are more to blame than others.

[Nictuku]

36. Just like Russia has done to Ukraine Every Night for over the last 1460 Days

The media just doesn't report on it. A major reason I stopped watching MSM.

[MustLoveBeagles]

39. I'm against all countries committing war crimes

US & Israel attacking Iran is wrong. Iran attacking other countries is also wrong.

[AloeVera]

48. So then how should Iran defend itself?

The US 5th Navy Fleet and Central Command is located in the capital of Bahrain. They would have coordinated and carried out the sinking of the Iranian fleet and other attacks including the assassination of Iran's leaders.

Should Iran just take it? Would the US or any other nation under these circumstances?

Attacking civilian buildings and infrastructure ON PURPOSE is always wrong. I also think all war is demonically evil, dangerous and stupid. That's why it should never be started in bad faith and under false pretenses.

[MustLoveBeagles]

79. I actually agree with you

I don't like that Iran has taken the bait. However I blame the US & Israel for provoking this response. I don't have an answer on how Iran can defend itself without giving propaganda to the other side. I wish I did.

[AloeVera]

80. I too wish they hadn't taken the bait.

That their response is "understandable" won't stop the aggressors and propagandists from exploiting it, making everything even worse. Thanks for your thoughtful response.

[MustLoveBeagles]

81. Your welcome

[OC375]

40. Iran is going to have a tougher time "high-roading" if true.

And, if true but an accident on their part, then it calls into question their narrative on the girls school, desalination, etc…

[AloeVera]

45. Why is the US Navy 5th fleet and Central Command located in Bahrain's capital, next to civilians, residential buildings?

Are they using HUMAN SHIELDS???!!!

For two plus years we were told that is a war crime. And for that reason, Israel had NO CHOICE but to level Gaza.

Attacking civilians and their infrastructure is wrong, no matter who does it or what stories are made up to justify it.

[sarisataka]

51. CENTCOM is in Florida

The 5th Fleet HQ is in Manama however is is on the coast. It is not downtown, co-located with a hospital nor underneath apartment buildings.

There are some civilian facilities near the base and some residential areas not too far away. It would be regrettable for attacks on the HQ to cause collateral damage, but understandable.

[AloeVera]

57. It's the Naval Central Command, NAVCENT.

Glad you mentioned they are near civilian and residential areas.

On edit:
Only a road seems to separate the compound from hotels, malls and residential highrises.

Here is what wiki says about the neighbourhood:

Juffair is a modern, vibrant, and highly sought-after, expat-centric district in southeastern Manama, Bahrain. Originally a village, it was absorbed by suburban growth and now features reclaimed land, residential towers, malls, and restaurants. It is notably home to the U.S. Naval Support Activity (NSA) Bahrain.

[sarisataka]

58. I would be remiss to not mention it

I have been to NSA, Bahrain and since it was some time ago, I imagine there would be more build up around the base.

Damage to those civilian structures resulting from attacks on the base I would consider collateral damage. It happens in war and I will apply standards equally.

Attacking a water treatment plant nowhere near any military target is not justified. Even if it happened to the attacking country- one crime does not give a pass for another.

[EX500rider]

65. Why is a Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps naval base adjacent to the elementary school in Minab?

Human shields?

[Justice matters.]

70. Yep. WHY are any United States military bases anywhere else's than in the US??

War-Criminals' EMPIRE much?

Yeah. Wattabout Universal Healthcare for everyone within the US borders.

Oh... can't have that. War costs a lot of the middle-class's taxes. (not the billionaire's tax cuts)

And a lot of interests to pay coming up for a millenium.

[Iggo]

46. And we and Israel are targeting civilians for what...good reasons?

[Blues Heron]

56. This is why you don't start bombing a country and murdering their leaders, the blowback can be... unpredictable

[gulliver]

62. Terrorist Hornets

The Islamic Republic regime thinks if they just attack random, innocent civilians, they can get their military enemies to back off. It's just hostage taking by another name. It's not going to work. Everyone wants the hornets gone.

[uncle ray]

68. like Kegsbreath said, "no stupid rules of engagement!"

[JI7]

69. We can oppose Trump getting involved in this shit without defending Iran

Iran has been funding terrorism for decades.