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WarGamer

(18,548 posts)
Wed Mar 11, 2026, 11:47 PM Wednesday

Iranian President laughably announces 3 conditions for Peace in iran.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2026/3/12/iran-war-live-oil-tankers-hit-in-iraq-tehran-sets-3-conditions-for-peace

Iran’s President Masoud Pezeshkian outlines three conditions to end the war: recognition of Tehran’s legitimate rights, payment of reparations and firm international guarantees against future aggression.


the ultimatum was delivered by Tehran Tom, graduate of Baghdad Bob School of Wartime PR.


Even Iraq had defenders during the Iraqi Shrub War... Iran has no one. They've pissed off the Arab World, Russia and China won't piss on them to put out a fire and they're left with only terrorist allies like Hezbollah and the Houthis.
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Iranian President laughably announces 3 conditions for Peace in iran. (Original Post) WarGamer Wednesday OP
be dismissive if u like, iran is winning and can say what it wants nt msongs Wednesday #1
Define Winning WarGamer Wednesday #3
going toe to toe with the worlds biggest bunch of crybaby whiner girls school bombers msongs Thursday #10
the number of ballistic missles launched by Iran dropped 89% in the first 5 days WarGamer Thursday #11
Brent crude jumped $10 last night in minutes after Iraqi tankers were attacked HesNotHere Thursday #53
How much damage can Iran inflict? Irish_Dem 22 hrs ago #77
I am not Nostradamus HesNotHere 18 hrs ago #80
I had not thought about the AI bubble collapse being accelerated. Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #81
"And how exactly does the US walk this back with Iran?" HesNotHere 15 hrs ago #86
Psychopaths and incompetents are in charge. Irish_Dem 15 hrs ago #88
Well I remember when they said the same thing about Viet Nam. Irish_Dem 22 hrs ago #78
This is a weird take. Holding their own? Happy Hoosier Thursday #25
This, anyone who thinks Iran is winning needs their head examined Amishman Thursday #39
I wouldn't saying "winning" but they're stubborn and will fight to the end. LeftInTX Thursday #62
This message was self-deleted by its author clevergrrrl Thursday #55
Apparently having your military destroyed and its infrastructure dismantled counts as "winning" lol EX500rider Thursday #13
The 9/11 hijackers accomplished their goal SunImp Thursday #18
They accomplished more than they could have dreamed of. Oneironaut Thursday #27
Yes and the price of tea in China has gone up I believe EX500rider Thursday #30
why buy china tea when taiwanese high mountain green tea is better? catsudon 23 hrs ago #74
Iran is definitely winning over the whining fascist US regime. nt yaesu Thursday #19
As Trump would say, "so much winning" Shrek Thursday #33
You really have a thing against Iran, don't you, Mr. WarGamer? hedda_foil Wednesday #2
Mostly I'm annoyed by all the propaganda on X and social media from Russian and Iranian sources. WarGamer Wednesday #4
Senator Murphy was BRIEFED SamuelTheThird Thursday #21
Senator Murphy is a well known pro Iranian and pro Russia propagandist. BannonsLiver 16 hrs ago #85
This message was self-deleted by its author clevergrrrl Thursday #56
Didn't they recently execute 30,000 people for protesting in support of Democracy? WarGamer Thursday #12
Executed, no, gunned down in the street yes. EX500rider Thursday #14
This message was self-deleted by its author clevergrrrl Thursday #57
The Iranian people say this JI7 Thursday #58
Which ones would those be? clevergrrrl Thursday #59
No one here has said that the leaders of Iran are good guys Bettie Thursday #65
ignoring T and Co... are you happy that the iranian regime is in shambles? WarGamer Thursday #66
There was and is no real Bettie Thursday #69
I don't support the war itself... but I won't cry for the Mullahs. WarGamer Yesterday #70
"I don't support the war itself" BannonsLiver 16 hrs ago #82
i totally agree with you catsudon 22 hrs ago #75
ICE is trying to catch up - TBF 15 hrs ago #87
A terrorist supporting theocracy that recently gunned down 30,000 of their own people shouldn't be too popular EX500rider Thursday #15
That's one of the top Republican talking points, by the way Orrex Thursday #23
Yep, and used right here on DU. Kingofalldems Thursday #60
Better to call it out than to Alert on it IMO. Orrex Thursday #63
I mean, the Iranian autocratic theocracy aren't good guys... Happy Hoosier Thursday #26
You don't? n/t Polybius Yesterday #72
It's just good old fashioned American bloodlust. BannonsLiver 16 hrs ago #84
This message was self-deleted by its author fujiyamasan Wednesday #5
No more ridiculous than what the American president is saying. RockRaven Thursday #6
You're right... a stark raving madman... WarGamer Thursday #8
That must be really upsetting to our President BeyondGeography Thursday #31
I am opposed H2O Man Thursday #7
That's not the topic of the OP WarGamer Thursday #9
I have no H2O Man Thursday #16
Netanyahu is a war criminal/butcher wolfie001 Thursday #29
Great response. Kingofalldems Thursday #37
LOL, acting like people stay on the topic of the OP is pretty amazing. FascismIsDeath Thursday #61
Why is the adverb "laughably" being used? HesNotHere Thursday #17
+1 leftstreet Thursday #50
graduate of Baghdad Bob School SamuelTheThird Thursday #20
Already- just yesterday prices are climbing fast womanofthehills Thursday #40
We're definitely not watching the same war -eom vanessa_ca Thursday #22
When is Russia going to finish the job in Ukraine anyway? BootinUp Thursday #24
Those demands seem fair to me. marble falls Thursday #28
And it's a starting point Bettie Thursday #54
Exactly. The US ignored all the starting points Iran made and offered. TACO forced himself into a shit sandwich ... marble falls Thursday #67
Well, that would be fair. BlueTsunami2018 Thursday #32
"Guarantees against Greg_In_SF Thursday #34
Wait, why is Russia making demands here? I thought this was about Iran. ck4829 Thursday #42
Trump has got himself into a situation where he can no longer "cut and run" LeftInTX Thursday #35
If I had a brazillion dollars my money would be on Iran Arazi Thursday #36
How about the bombing of school children? Kingofalldems Thursday #38
'Laughably' you say? Kingofalldems Thursday #41
And a big chocolate cake for the first one to concede. GreenWave Thursday #43
You seem to be having fun with all of this. AStern Thursday #44
They may not have the leverage to get all of that, karynnj Thursday #45
Isn't "rights" being used synonymously with "sovereignty"? HesNotHere Thursday #49
It could be, but in the past, with the successful karynnj Thursday #52
I imagine Mr. trump will soon laughably announce his demands too Torchlight Thursday #46
I didn't Laugh when I read them. pwb Thursday #47
As a country which was attacked by two authoritarian jerks, based on an opinion that they might attack us Ms. Toad Thursday #48
Why are they laughable? obamanut2012 Thursday #51
Because they're in no position to demand ANYTHING. WarGamer Thursday #64
I like canetoad Thursday #68
How do you objectively measure "position", or rather, leverage of either side? HesNotHere Yesterday #71
OP appears to be in willful denial about the value of holding the Strait for Iran Arazi 23 hrs ago #73
The only way to seize power in a country is The Wizard 22 hrs ago #76
It's good they have conditions...if this is legitimate (it's from Al Jazeera) gulliver 20 hrs ago #79
That "Baghdad Bob" reference sure is (unintentionally) ironic. BannonsLiver 16 hrs ago #83

msongs

(73,607 posts)
10. going toe to toe with the worlds biggest bunch of crybaby whiner girls school bombers
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 12:13 AM
Thursday

and holding their own. The republican christofascists are blowing up shit and slowly turning the people of Iran against us. mission accomplished I guess. Sailed an oil tanker thru the straits of hormuz lately?

this war is all about the trump inc crowd making money for itself and its petrodollar blowbuddies, using our military to do it. Iran is helping out bigly in this case.

WarGamer

(18,548 posts)
11. the number of ballistic missles launched by Iran dropped 89% in the first 5 days
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 12:17 AM
Thursday

They're reduced to state sponsored terrorism attacking ships flying many flags other than the US or Israel... they've made the crucial mistake of alienating the entire Arab world... and you know that money and oil make the world go around... if they want to take the war up another notch... close the Strait.

Don't get me wrong... I have deep doubts that the current clown administration knows how to seal the deal in Iran...

But Iran isn't winning anything

HesNotHere

(7 posts)
53. Brent crude jumped $10 last night in minutes after Iraqi tankers were attacked
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 03:17 PM
Thursday

Is the winner of war calculated by ballistic missiles launched?

“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.” – Sun Tzu

Iran doesn't even need a standing army to inflict severe, long-term pain. This excursion has no light at the end of the tunnel.

Irish_Dem

(80,941 posts)
77. How much damage can Iran inflict?
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 07:46 AM
22 hrs ago

What options do they have?

I know they placing mines in the Strait now.

Welcome to DU!

HesNotHere

(7 posts)
80. I am not Nostradamus
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 11:52 AM
18 hrs ago

But I have a bad feeling about a 20%+ bear market, which may be dramatically amplified if AI bubble decides to pop early due to restricted capital (think Silicon Valley Bank collapse on steroids). This is what the world is marching towards while Trump says the job is "complete". The only way to avoid this is to occupy all the land on the strait, or walk this back so that Iran stops disrupting the supply lines.

Even if boots go on the ground along the shipping lanes, the US also has to secure the area against insurgent groups across the middle east. And now their military will become actively responsible for securing trade.

Irish_Dem

(80,941 posts)
81. I had not thought about the AI bubble collapse being accelerated.
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 12:24 PM
18 hrs ago

And yes by all accounts I have read it sounds catastrophic.

And yes i clearly remember the last big collapse.
it will be particularly devastating to older people who do not have time to recover lost funds.

What kind of manpower are we talking about to occupy the straits?

And how exactly does the US walk this back with Iran?

HesNotHere

(7 posts)
86. "And how exactly does the US walk this back with Iran?"
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 02:44 PM
15 hrs ago

I don't know.

We are talking about malignant egos here on both sides negotiating in the best interests of humanity.

I do dread....Alea iacta est

Happy Hoosier

(9,520 posts)
25. This is a weird take. Holding their own?
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:17 AM
Thursday

They air force is destroyed. So is their navy. Let's not mistake the strategic blunders of the Trumpians for some kind of military success of the Iranians.

Without an actual invasion, effecting actual regime change would be very difficult. And the mass confusion and incompetence of the Trump admin means we don;t really have a clear idea of what the Trump regime hoped to accomplish with this debacle.

But none of that means the Iranian military is somehow doing well, or even "winning."

What this confirms is that cheap autonomous vehicles are a game-changer and even a third-rate power can pose a significant and persistent threat.

Amishman

(5,928 posts)
39. This, anyone who thinks Iran is winning needs their head examined
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 11:12 AM
Thursday

They're getting their faces kicked in and their military annihilated.

Iran is losing badly - however that doesn't make Trump's war right or worthwhile. The fallout in the energy market could easily make this a pyrrhic victory for us.

LeftInTX

(34,168 posts)
62. I wouldn't saying "winning" but they're stubborn and will fight to the end.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 07:08 PM
Thursday

Unless, they are blustering, like they frequently do.

They are blocking the straits and controlling oil supplies. Is that a win?

It's not a win for us! How do we overcome it?

It reminds me of Vietnam and Japan. They kept fighting back, even if they weren't winning.

Response to Happy Hoosier (Reply #25)

EX500rider

(12,507 posts)
13. Apparently having your military destroyed and its infrastructure dismantled counts as "winning" lol
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 12:28 AM
Thursday

Oneironaut

(6,284 posts)
27. They accomplished more than they could have dreamed of.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:24 AM
Thursday

Every time you get frisked at an airport, or, see the alphabet soup of quasi-Fascist government agencies running amok with no regulation, it’s proof of that.

catsudon

(901 posts)
74. why buy china tea when taiwanese high mountain green tea is better?
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 07:15 AM
23 hrs ago

but then again, i'm the type of person that eats cake

WarGamer

(18,548 posts)
4. Mostly I'm annoyed by all the propaganda on X and social media from Russian and Iranian sources.
Wed Mar 11, 2026, 11:56 PM
Wednesday

SamuelTheThird

(1,003 posts)
21. Senator Murphy was BRIEFED
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 01:47 AM
Thursday

He flat out said the US has NO plan for how to open up the Strait of Hormuz safely. So huge portions of the world's oil and fertilizer supply go through there, in case you haven't noticed. Time to get a grip on reality.

BannonsLiver

(20,497 posts)
85. Senator Murphy is a well known pro Iranian and pro Russia propagandist.
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 02:14 PM
16 hrs ago


The grasping at straws from the “I really thought it would be over by now” section is endlessly entertaining.

Response to WarGamer (Reply #4)

WarGamer

(18,548 posts)
12. Didn't they recently execute 30,000 people for protesting in support of Democracy?
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 12:27 AM
Thursday

Where did the Iraqi insurgents get IED's for years?

I don't support starting wars and I wish that peaceful demonstrations would have brought down the theocracy...

But I won't cry for the current evil leaders in Iran

Response to WarGamer (Reply #12)

Bettie

(19,602 posts)
65. No one here has said that the leaders of Iran are good guys
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:12 PM
Thursday

but, the people currently running our government aren't good guys either....they're the other side of the same coin.

WarGamer

(18,548 posts)
66. ignoring T and Co... are you happy that the iranian regime is in shambles?
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:14 PM
Thursday

I guess what I'm saying is... are you angry about the war cuz... Trump? Meaning if it was 2029 and President Newsom ordered an attack on Iran for whatever reason the CIA or Israel gave him... would you still be angry?

Is it mercy for the Mullahs or Just because Trump?

Bettie

(19,602 posts)
69. There was and is no real
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 11:30 PM
Thursday

Reason for this war.

It is a vanity project for Hegseth/Trump and an excuse for Netanyahu to kill more civilians.

There are no good guys on any side in this.

But there are innocent people dying. I don’t think that is a good thing. I don’t think Iranians should die because the people running the country are awful,

if that was the metric, well, there are a LOT of leaders who are terrible people. .

So, think what you like.

If you are pleased about this war, sit back and enjoy it.

Send Hegseth a fruit basket if you really like it.

WarGamer

(18,548 posts)
70. I don't support the war itself... but I won't cry for the Mullahs.
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 01:03 AM
Yesterday

And I hope one day the people of Iran can rise up and form a new Democracy. But they won't do that under the yoke of Supreme Leader.

BannonsLiver

(20,497 posts)
82. "I don't support the war itself"
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 01:47 PM
16 hrs ago

Funny how things have changed over the last 2 weeks. You thought it would be over by now didn’t you?

catsudon

(901 posts)
75. i totally agree with you
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 07:27 AM
22 hrs ago

I'd totally support President Newsom on this. since this war's end result is actually to disrupt china.
in less than 3 months China's one belt one road plan hit a major setback.

they lost a source of oil in south america, and will soon with iran.

remember china used to send jets to encircle taiwan everyday for years? well, they stopped since the war, they have never done that and it's been 10 days

EX500rider

(12,507 posts)
15. A terrorist supporting theocracy that recently gunned down 30,000 of their own people shouldn't be too popular
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 12:43 AM
Thursday

imo
ymmv

Orrex

(67,001 posts)
23. That's one of the top Republican talking points, by the way
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 07:12 AM
Thursday

"You oppose Trump's strikes on Iran? You must love their cruel, oppressive, murderous theocratic regime, then."

The intent of that bogus claim is to force us to defend a horrific ruling sect, when in fact the vast majority of us are explicitly and specifically objecting to the wholesale murder of civilians by the US, along with the resulting disruption to world trade, not to mention the enormous financial toll of Trump's clusterfuck.

I haven't seen a single person, in fact, posting in defense of Iran's leadership.

Happy Hoosier

(9,520 posts)
26. I mean, the Iranian autocratic theocracy aren't good guys...
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:21 AM
Thursday

That doesn't mean this illegal war was justified, but c'mon...

Response to WarGamer (Original post)

WarGamer

(18,548 posts)
8. You're right... a stark raving madman...
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 12:02 AM
Thursday

But the Russian trolls on SM are really pushing the Iranian superhero perspective.

BeyondGeography

(41,032 posts)
31. That must be really upsetting to our President
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:27 AM
Thursday

Who wakes up every day wondering what he can do next to support Russia smh.

H2O Man

(78,949 posts)
7. I am opposed
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 12:02 AM
Thursday

to any US president being a lap dog for Netanyahu. I am horrified by all of the death and destruction that has followed.

H2O Man

(78,949 posts)
16. I have no
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 12:56 AM
Thursday

restrictions on what I say. No one puts words in my mouth, and no one prevents their coming out exactly as I intend.

This war is evil. I speak not in the religious sense, but rather in the psychological sense that all good people are horrified by the injuries, death, and destruction that we currently see reported in the Middle East.

wolfie001

(7,558 posts)
29. Netanyahu is a war criminal/butcher
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:25 AM
Thursday

He did all the extra bombings to f6ck Biden and push for tRUMP. F6ck both of those POS. Now they're doing it again with another election coming up. Cruel and unnecessary. We had a deal with Iran and that fat orange lunatic blew that up too. WTF!!!

FascismIsDeath

(151 posts)
61. LOL, acting like people stay on the topic of the OP is pretty amazing.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 05:57 PM
Thursday

I don't care what forum you're using, that isn't a thing that happens. Get over it. You have enough posts that I'm sure you aren't new to the internet so you should know better.

SamuelTheThird

(1,003 posts)
20. graduate of Baghdad Bob School
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 01:44 AM
Thursday

If you hadn't noticed, they've hit a bunch of tankers and are fucking up the world economy already. They are about to fuck up food supplies (fertilizer). This is not comparable to Iraq, but keep dreaming

womanofthehills

(10,945 posts)
40. Already- just yesterday prices are climbing fast
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 11:12 AM
Thursday

$6 extra to top up my vehicle that was 3/4 full. Toilet paper in our dollar store went from $1.25 to $4.5O yesterday. When I mentioned the new prices to the checkout girl she started ranting about how horrible our gov is to kill little girls and how she wanted to do something but felt helpless.

Now that it’s just been reported that 4 drones are missing from Ft Campbell and Trump said Iran could strike Cal - my feed is filled with “Oh my God- Trump is going to do a 9/11 on Cal and claim Iran did it”. Trump is scaring Americans who believe he will stop at nothing.

“ Four Army drone systems stolen from Kentucky base” - from Military Times

Four drone systems were stolen from a Kentucky Army engineer battalion in Kentucky late last year, the Army investigators reported in a social media post this week.
The Skydio X10D drone systems were last seen in the 326th Division Engineer Battalion at Fort Campbell on Nov. 21, 2025 the Army Criminal Investigation Division, or CID, said, prompting them to offer a $5,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the responsible party.
Investigators said the drones were stolen between Nov. 21 and 24, but they did not say when the theft was discovered.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2026/03/12/four-army-drone-systems-stolen-from-kentucky-base/



marble falls

(71,724 posts)
67. Exactly. The US ignored all the starting points Iran made and offered. TACO forced himself into a shit sandwich ...
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 11:14 PM
Thursday

... abetted by people even more shallow intellect than his own. They think we slunk out of South Viet Nam? Wait till we've reduced our presence to some Naval group patrolling.

I don't think Iran was wedded to having nuclear weapons. I think they counted on the idea they had nukes to influence a negotiation.

Why would Iran do with a nuke or two? Israel has a huge arsenal, per Wiki : Israel is widely believed to possess nuclear weapons. Estimates of Israel's stockpile range from 90 to 400 warheads,[22] and the country is believed to possess a nuclear triad of delivery options by air, land, and sea. Its first deliverable nuclear weapon is estimated to have been completed in late 1966 or early 1967, which would have made it the sixth of nine nuclear-armed countries.

At the same time there's pile of Plutonium sitting in Iran.

More likely: TACO wants to lif sanctions for six months so Russia can sell oil to India. We've cut off production in Venezuela and now Iran. 20% of the oil and gas going out thru Hormuz was going to India, and sever other countries. The US Oil companies get a big raise and coincidentally enough in the highest oil producing nation for the last decade and more, have all you want to buy.

Crackpot theory, or a narration?

 

Greg_In_SF

(1,236 posts)
34. "Guarantees against
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 10:08 AM
Thursday

future aggression" ...coming from the world's worst terrorist regime

LeftInTX

(34,168 posts)
35. Trump has got himself into a situation where he can no longer "cut and run"
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 10:22 AM
Thursday

The only way for Trump to end this is to surrender.

Unless Trump "cuts and runs" and Iran decides to cease hostilities in response (Sometimes they're like that, despite their bravado)

But it seems like Iran kinda is enjoying holding the world hostage at the moment.

Arazi

(8,859 posts)
36. If I had a brazillion dollars my money would be on Iran
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 10:29 AM
Thursday

Military watchers believe Iran is moving their air defenses and missiles to the Strait. Saving them for blasting tankers that attempt to make a run for it.

They’ll just wait out the increasing global pain until WE are forced to stop from global pressure.

The fanatic Iranian leadership believes dead Iranians are martyrs bound for greater glory. As proven by their slaughter of 30,000 of their own citizens, they’re utterly unconcerned about Iranian civilian lives and appear to welcome when we kill a fuck ton of their civilians since it bolsters their narrative of America as the Great Satan.

They have no incentive to stop and with their control of the Strait, they really are holding the cards (as Traitor would say 🙄 )

karynnj

(60,917 posts)
45. They may not have the leverage to get all of that,
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 12:18 PM
Thursday

an end to the war may not be as one sided as Trump or Netanyahu have called for. In a way, all three are doing the same thing - stating very maximal demands that will not be agreed to. Netanyahu's goals seem similar to what they were in Gaza. Trump has suggested that with Venezuela as a model, he should have a say in who leads Iran.

Consider that both Afghanistan and Vietnam were weaker relative to US. In both countries, the people we were fighting were fighting for control (totalitarian as it was) of their country. In neither country was their opposition that we backed strong enough to defeat them once we left. I have heard no one calling for occupying all or part of Iran for decades.

The complication here is that Iran is backing Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthies who are attacking our allies. That diminishes the fact that the US and Israel have initiated "unprovoked" attacks on Iran. It makes the likelihood of reparations unlikely.

It is hard to see an international call for stopping aggression against Iran that does not include a call for Iran to end it's aggression by proxy.

As to Iran's rights, it would depend on what rights they are calling for.

If I had to guess, I don't see Iran getting regime change that results in a liberal democracy. I also think Iran, by geography, has enough cards that the end state of this war will likely not be extremely far from where we were when it started.

HesNotHere

(7 posts)
49. Isn't "rights" being used synonymously with "sovereignty"?
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 03:09 PM
Thursday

It really isn't unreasonable for a defending nation to request a recognition of sovereignty and guarantees against aggression. This is standard fare.

The primary contentious point at this point in time is reparations. Today they have requested financial compensation. In lieu of such, they have stated they will destroy enemy assets of an equal value.

The United States will eventually have to consider if the political and economic costs of a long, protracted war--and the potential profits/benefits that will result in the case of success--exceeds this amount.

karynnj

(60,917 posts)
52. It could be, but in the past, with the successful
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 03:16 PM
Thursday

Nuclear deal, they spoke of the right to peaceful use of nuclear power.

Torchlight

(6,738 posts)
46. I imagine Mr. trump will soon laughably announce his demands too
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 02:34 PM
Thursday

Difficult for me to predict a victor between Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dummer. Damn shame Mr trump has pissed off so much of the world.

Ms. Toad

(38,535 posts)
48. As a country which was attacked by two authoritarian jerks, based on an opinion that they might attack us
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 02:49 PM
Thursday

if anyone else attacked them - (with one of the jerls being one of the potential attackers) I don't see the demands as particularly laughable.

While I support whatever the Iranian people do to reclaim their country, I condemn external entities deciding to impose regime change. Would we welcome attacks on our country because people believe Trump is an authoritarian jerk? The legitimate right of all countries is self-determination, even if we disagree with how that plays out.

Because our attack was illegitimate, we ought to be paying reparations to undo what we did.

And all countries should be free from aggression by others. What we did was NOT defensive. It was aggression, pure and simple, to satisfy the ego-driven desires of two people who should never be leaders of countries.

WarGamer

(18,548 posts)
64. Because they're in no position to demand ANYTHING.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:00 PM
Thursday

It's like Nazi Germany telling Patton "Stop at the Rhine immediately... we are willing to stop fighting if you leave Europe, convince Russia to go back over their own borders and compensate us for the damage done during the Air War"

HesNotHere

(7 posts)
71. How do you objectively measure "position", or rather, leverage of either side?
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 01:51 AM
Yesterday

Surely it isn't in rockets fired or bodies, right?

Do you align with U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent's statement today that there is no costs of this war that is too high?

The activity in world markets would suggest that Iran does have a certain amount of leverage right now (which is being priced in quite optimistically at the moment), although due to excitement and hubris, the US is unlikely to be considering that fully. You don't seem to be either.

On April 10th and May 12th the CPI inflation reports will begin to reflect the inflationary pressure of crude. By then, the world will be running through the reserves that were announced to be released today. If--by then--even a few rag-tag, disorganized, navy-less, airforce-less groups of roving teens along the strait can continue take out a tanker or two every week, you are going to see a bear market that will be a reckoning. The US will have to consider the Sunken-Cost fallacy full-on and re-evaluate exactly where everyone's position is.

Arazi

(8,859 posts)
73. OP appears to be in willful denial about the value of holding the Strait for Iran
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 06:42 AM
23 hrs ago

Iran really is in a superior position. Their leverage increases by the day as the Brent price inexorably goes higher.

As you said, they don’t even need a standing Army, Navy or Air Force to effectively control movement on the Strait. A ragtag group of insurgents will suffice.

Beyond that, my understanding is that Iran broke their military into 31 semi-autonomous units on the possibility the leadership was decapitated. Each unit can and does have the ability to proceed alone. They prepared for just the type of assault we’re doing

The Wizard

(13,694 posts)
76. The only way to seize power in a country is
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 07:44 AM
22 hrs ago

boots on the ground. There's a famous statue at the entrance to Fort Dix. It's a combat infantryman with these words on the base of the statue: "The Ultimate Weapon"
Japan surrendered without American boots on the ground, but they were nuked. Any nation that employs nuclear weapons today is risking international isolation or Armageddon. Long term occupation is unreasonable and paves that way to bankruptcy.
When they say it's not about the oil, ------ it's about the oil. Mobsters want their vig.

gulliver

(13,929 posts)
79. It's good they have conditions...if this is legitimate (it's from Al Jazeera)
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 09:34 AM
20 hrs ago

It could just be an opening position. Some kind of reparations might be reasonable if whoever takes over is along the Delcy Rodriguez line in terms of giving up on the unacceptable character of the country. If all of the ballistic missiles are gone, the enriched uranium eliminated, etc., and Iran stops supporting regional and global Islamic nationalism and terror...could be good.

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