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Oh look--"Bad Things About Democrats." Kingofalldems Mar 12 #1
How dare they post something that strays from "groupthink" WarGamer Mar 12 #3
Groupthink like what? Kingofalldems Mar 12 #5
Have you seen the official report? I haven't. WarGamer Mar 12 #8
I've seen the reports they scrapped plans to limit civilian casualties. Kingofalldems Mar 12 #11
I didn't see that... do you have an actual link, not a Krassenstein post on X? WarGamer Mar 12 #25
Aren't you clever. Kingofalldems Mar 12 #31
None of those articles prove the claim you're making. WarGamer Mar 13 #41
They didn't claim it was specific to the strike on the school muriel_volestrangler Mar 13 #58
..... Kingofalldems Mar 14 #86
An "official report" from the corrupt, dishonest MAGAT cabal? BannonsLiver Mar 13 #75
DAMN RIGHT IT'S FAWKING MURDER. a kennedy Mar 12 #34
I didn't do it! Polybius Mar 12 #23
to the warm and welcoming arms of the Tiki-Torch gangs? ret5hd Mar 12 #2
WTAF? LearnedHand Mar 12 #4
When they discourage people from voting for Ron Nirenberg because he's a "Jewish Zionist" LeftInTX Mar 12 #6
And do you attribute it to Democrats in general? Scrivener7 Mar 13 #53
Gee I guess the OP forgot about Tucker Carlson, Kingofalldems Mar 12 #9
"Bad Things About Democrats" Jedi Guy Mar 13 #40
Any Democrat that takes money from AIPAC is deemed unacceptable. rogue emissary Mar 12 #20
AIPAC is now getting to be electoral poison, especially among democrats fujiyamasan Mar 13 #42
I guess they are lumping Palestinian protests at college campuses as "left" Polybius Mar 12 #24
No, let's pretend that those thousands of protester are really marybourg Mar 12 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Mar 13 #65
Similar to serial self-deleting luv2fly Mar 13 #85
That's a stretch probably to try and imply they aren't left...... Melon Mar 12 #37
From the pro-Palestinian support on the left. And only on the left. Palestinian dogma marybourg Mar 12 #32
I was certainly not supportive of the campus protests' tactics and I don't think it accomplished much fujiyamasan Mar 13 #44
Is the DSA left? sarisataka Mar 12 #35
Any antisemitism on the left SocialDemocrat61 Mar 12 #7
But it is filtered into the Democratic Party LeftInTX Mar 12 #10
Green Party supporters SocialDemocrat61 Mar 12 #12
Yes, they attacked Jasmine. But she is in a Democratic runoff and ActBlue is with the Democratic Party. LeftInTX Mar 12 #14
Her name isMaureen Galindo SocialDemocrat61 Mar 12 #22
Who is 'this Maureen chick'? Btw, I detest the word 'chick' when it is applied to us females. Celerity Mar 12 #28
It reveals much about the one saying it. Scrivener7 Mar 13 #52
So being anti AIPAC is anti semitic? Kingofalldems Mar 12 #13
Is being against someone with the last name Nirenburg anti semitic???? And referring to him as a "Jewish Zionist"? LeftInTX Mar 12 #16
Jared Moskowitz's Democratic primary opponent is attacking Democrats who receive support from AIPAC: Jose Garcia Mar 13 #66
I would rather that democrats SocialDemocrat61 Mar 13 #69
Most of this money isn't "accepted" Jose Garcia Mar 13 #73
The permission of any campaign SocialDemocrat61 Mar 13 #74
All Democratic candidates got very large percents of the Jewish vote karynnj Mar 12 #15
At some point, Dems need to move past identity politics biocube Mar 12 #17
Dems will win by not acting like republicans and fight for everyone Keepthesoulalive Mar 12 #29
That it's Republicans (and others who attack Democrats) who use identity politics -- this can't be repeated enough. betsuni Mar 13 #48
I find many upper middle-class Dems biocube Mar 13 #63
The democrats have consistently tried to pass laws that help all Americans Keepthesoulalive Mar 13 #64
Who plays "identity politics" more than republicans SocialDemocrat61 Mar 13 #57
To go to the actual Nazi party?? I don't think so. Pisces Mar 12 #18
I'm not anti Jewish but I think if the republican party suits them then by all means Autumn Mar 12 #19
I've not noticed anti Jewish or antisemitic rise on left at all. Anti Israel yes but as a Jew I stand Nanjeanne Mar 12 #21
On social media like reddit, twitter & YouTube I've seen a few leftists or left leaning users being antisemitic SunImp Mar 12 #30
...rightwingers and their bots.... Sogo Mar 12 #36
Yes, many of them are bots or pretending to be leftwingers SunImp Mar 13 #39
Well social media is not a great barometer of actual Democratic sentiment and gives platform for Nanjeanne Mar 13 #60
Simple question The Wizard Mar 12 #26
That really would be out of the frying pan into the fire wouldn't it? harumph Mar 12 #27
Do they listen to what the RW thinks about them Johonny Mar 12 #38
Yes and No. Iggo Mar 13 #43
not fooling me Skittles Mar 13 #45
Those examples you posted are not exclusively of antisemitism from the "left" fujiyamasan Mar 13 #46
Is the Democratic Party restricting growth by embracing empathy? HesNotHere Mar 13 #47
People are trying to divide us. But if we just remember ecstatic Mar 13 #49
Bibi has 80% support attacking iran and all the other mid east countries questionseverything Mar 13 #54
Yes, that's what I read too fujiyamasan Mar 13 #55
Do you mean in Israel or are you suggesting 80% of all Jewish people approve of his war? Nanjeanne Mar 13 #61
80% of the jews in Israel, his war approval in the United States for Jewish people is approximately 50/50 questionseverything Mar 13 #72
Right so who cares about what Israeli citizens Nanjeanne Mar 13 #79
Aren't a chunk of them dual-US citizens? LeftInTX Mar 13 #83
I imagine some are. Don't know % of the 80% Israeli citizens quoted in that statistic. Don't care really Nanjeanne Mar 13 #84
Most block voted for Trump. Blue Full Moon Mar 13 #50
A) You're the friggin' Post. You tell us. B) They're not a bloc, any more Scrivener7 Mar 13 #51
The one quote in the article for a reason for drop in support is "Democrats are criticizing Israel" muriel_volestrangler Mar 13 #56
If Joan Rubin is a Trump supporter now because Dems criticize Israel -- good riddance Joan. Nanjeanne Mar 13 #62
Sounds serious. Torchlight Mar 13 #59
Antisemitism is rising and it's very concerning Quiet Em Mar 13 #67
The Democratic Party has no place for Jewphobia gulliver Mar 13 #68
Maybe maxrandb Mar 13 #70
I've noticed Iranian-Americans are supporting Trump now. Of course that may be short-lived. LeftInTX Mar 13 #71
I understand their desire for regime change fujiyamasan Mar 13 #82
OK--- well, I kind of HATE ISRAEL as a nation-state now---- Jack Valentino Mar 13 #76
Bezos bullshit NoRethugFriends Mar 13 #77
I am Jewish. I hate AIPAC, hate Bibi and his government as much as I hate our present administration and Raftergirl Mar 13 #78
Again: Not "anti-Jewish", not "anti-Israel" whathehell Mar 13 #80
Because Jews vote with a hive mind? DJ Synikus Makisimus Mar 13 #81

Kingofalldems

(40,298 posts)
1. Oh look--"Bad Things About Democrats."
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 07:54 PM
Mar 12

WarGamer

(18,638 posts)
3. How dare they post something that strays from "groupthink"
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:03 PM
Mar 12

Kingofalldems

(40,298 posts)
5. Groupthink like what?
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:16 PM
Mar 12

Posting that Donald Trump murdered 175 little children?

WarGamer

(18,638 posts)
8. Have you seen the official report? I haven't.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:19 PM
Mar 12

Kingofalldems

(40,298 posts)
11. I've seen the reports they scrapped plans to limit civilian casualties.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:27 PM
Mar 12

Murder.

WarGamer

(18,638 posts)
25. I didn't see that... do you have an actual link, not a Krassenstein post on X?
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:29 PM
Mar 12

WarGamer

(18,638 posts)
41. None of those articles prove the claim you're making.
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 01:00 AM
Mar 13

they're speaking in broad terms, not specific to the IRGC/School strike

muriel_volestrangler

(106,235 posts)
58. They didn't claim it was specific to the strike on the school
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 06:58 AM
Mar 13

It would be truly weird if they wrote up entire reports on striking one particular target, and how to avoid the school, and then completely ignored them.

However, you said you hadn't seen "the official report". How trusting you are that the official report from this gang is going to be an objective examination that we ought to wait for. It would be touching, if it weren't for the fact that a regime led by a psychopaths who have purged many decent officers from the military, and ignored (as we have seen) the sensible officers remaining, is who you are trusting.

Kingofalldems

(40,298 posts)
86. .....
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 07:37 PM
Mar 14

BannonsLiver

(20,609 posts)
75. An "official report" from the corrupt, dishonest MAGAT cabal?
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 01:53 PM
Mar 13


I can’t imagine how dumb someone would have to be to trust Pete Hegseth’s DoD with running a lemonade stand let alone a war. 🤦‍♂️

a kennedy

(36,015 posts)
34. DAMN RIGHT IT'S FAWKING MURDER.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 10:36 PM
Mar 12

🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬

Polybius

(21,913 posts)
23. I didn't do it!
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:21 PM
Mar 12

ret5hd

(22,507 posts)
2. to the warm and welcoming arms of the Tiki-Torch gangs?
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:01 PM
Mar 12

i have no clue as to whether they are leaving or not…there isn’t even a synagogue in my small burg…but i’m pretty damn sure no one believes the RW is a safe haven for them.

LearnedHand

(5,504 posts)
4. WTAF?
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:11 PM
Mar 12

Exactly where does the notion come from that antisemitism is rising on the “left side of the aisle”?

LeftInTX

(34,349 posts)
6. When they discourage people from voting for Ron Nirenberg because he's a "Jewish Zionist"
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:17 PM
Mar 12

He's not a Zionist. His dad is Jewish. He was not raised Jewish and attends a Methodist Church.

The whole Gaza gang accused him of genocide because his dad is Jewish. (How can a mayor commit genocide against Gaza?)

He won his primary, but I saw the hate.



Scrivener7

(59,540 posts)
53. And do you attribute it to Democrats in general?
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 03:14 AM
Mar 13

Or Democrats exclusively?

Kingofalldems

(40,298 posts)
9. Gee I guess the OP forgot about Tucker Carlson,
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:21 PM
Mar 12

Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes, Marjorie Taylor Greene.

But no---it's another Bad Things About Democrats.

Jedi Guy

(3,478 posts)
40. "Bad Things About Democrats"
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 12:47 AM
Mar 13

You know, it's entirely possible to have a conversation about problematic behavior on our side of the fence without defaulting to, "Yeah but the Republicans..."

As it turns out, that's really not a helpful or useful response if we're interested in making things better.

rogue emissary

(3,355 posts)
20. Any Democrat that takes money from AIPAC is deemed unacceptable.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:08 PM
Mar 12

See the lies about Jasmine Crockett that helped sink her Senate run.

fujiyamasan

(1,734 posts)
42. AIPAC is now getting to be electoral poison, especially among democrats
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 01:04 AM
Mar 13

I think there’s a growing consensus that they’re representing another country’s interests (and I would argue a specific party in another country) with no regard to what’s actually best for the US.

I’ll admit I’m having a tougher time supporting democrats that take their money too.

Polybius

(21,913 posts)
24. I guess they are lumping Palestinian protests at college campuses as "left"
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:24 PM
Mar 12

Since they aren't exactly "right."

marybourg

(13,642 posts)
33. No, let's pretend that those thousands of protester are really
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 10:32 PM
Mar 12

Green Party members and sympathizers.

Response to marybourg (Reply #33)

luv2fly

(2,674 posts)
85. Similar to serial self-deleting
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 11:24 PM
Mar 13

You know, when the person posting says something ridiculous, won't bother to defend it or apologize, but instead opts to self-delete. It's almost like it's a habit with some people! 🙄

Melon

(1,526 posts)
37. That's a stretch probably to try and imply they aren't left......
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 11:46 PM
Mar 12

marybourg

(13,642 posts)
32. From the pro-Palestinian support on the left. And only on the left. Palestinian dogma
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 10:20 PM
Mar 12

is aimed at destroying Israel. Destroying Israel will kill millions of Jews. Millions of American Jews have family or emotional ties to Israel. This is so obvious as to amount to gaslighting to even ask that question.

fujiyamasan

(1,734 posts)
44. I was certainly not supportive of the campus protests' tactics and I don't think it accomplished much
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 01:07 AM
Mar 13

But it is about time to question what “supporting Israel” even means. If it means billions in military aid yearly, I’m sorry I’m out.

sarisataka

(22,696 posts)
35. Is the DSA left?
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 10:38 PM
Mar 12

Remember their celebration of “Hamas great victory”?

SocialDemocrat61

(7,660 posts)
7. Any antisemitism on the left
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:19 PM
Mar 12

comes from Green Party supports who attack democrats for being funded by AIPAC.

LeftInTX

(34,349 posts)
10. But it is filtered into the Democratic Party
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:25 PM
Mar 12
https://www.sacurrent.com/news/bombastic-activist-now-in-democratic-runoff-for-redrawn-south-texas-congressional-district/

Maureen Galindo, a sex therapist and self-proclaimed professional astrologer has gathered a social media following by spinning left-wing conspiracy theories.



The #TX35 primary is wide open. Maureen is the clear choice.

Chip in here to support Maureen Galindo! Let's send a champion for human rights to Congress!
secure.actblue.com/donate/maure...

AIPAC Tracker (@trackaipac.com) 2026-02-19T22:40:35.206Z


About seven years ago, she sued the party chair because she was evicted. She's that crazy....

Trump carried the new district that she's running in: 55-44

SocialDemocrat61

(7,660 posts)
12. Green Party supporters
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:31 PM
Mar 12

Don’t care. They have attacked AOC and Jasmine Crockett despite neither being funded by AIPAC.

LeftInTX

(34,349 posts)
14. Yes, they attacked Jasmine. But she is in a Democratic runoff and ActBlue is with the Democratic Party.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:34 PM
Mar 12

Last edited Fri Mar 13, 2026, 12:17 PM - Edit history (1)


I saw Democrats complaining about Jasmine and Israel in one of the "mom's groups". The group is for Democrats. And someone said about this race, "Oh I can't vote for the Johnny Garcia guy if he took AIPAC money". Even our party secertary is vehemtly against AIPAC.

SocialDemocrat61

(7,660 posts)
22. Her name isMaureen Galindo
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:14 PM
Mar 12

not Maureen chick.

Celerity

(54,457 posts)
28. Who is 'this Maureen chick'? Btw, I detest the word 'chick' when it is applied to us females.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:52 PM
Mar 12

Scrivener7

(59,540 posts)
52. It reveals much about the one saying it.
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 03:12 AM
Mar 13

Kingofalldems

(40,298 posts)
13. So being anti AIPAC is anti semitic?
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:32 PM
Mar 12

LeftInTX

(34,349 posts)
16. Is being against someone with the last name Nirenburg anti semitic???? And referring to him as a "Jewish Zionist"?
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:35 PM
Mar 12

Get real!!!

And is promoting woo-candidates who don't have a chance of winning smart????

Jose Garcia

(3,508 posts)
66. Jared Moskowitz's Democratic primary opponent is attacking Democrats who receive support from AIPAC:
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 11:43 AM
Mar 13

SocialDemocrat61

(7,660 posts)
69. I would rather that democrats
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 12:08 PM
Mar 13

didn’t accept money from any PAC. But realize that’s unrealistic with current regulations.

Jose Garcia

(3,508 posts)
73. Most of this money isn't "accepted"
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 12:57 PM
Mar 13

Groups run praising or criticizing candidates with the permission of any campaign.

SocialDemocrat61

(7,660 posts)
74. The permission of any campaign
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 01:40 PM
Mar 13

That's the issue.

karynnj

(60,978 posts)
15. All Democratic candidates got very large percents of the Jewish vote
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:34 PM
Mar 12

From this 2024 source, all the Democrats from Clinton thru Obama 2008 got nearly 80 percent. It fell for Obama 2012 and stayed at that lower level ever since. I suspect that can be attributed to Netanyahu and AIPAC anger over Obama not doing everything Netanyahu wanted. Note 2012 is before the Iran deal.

https://manhattan.institute/article/survey-analysis-of-political-and-policy-preferences-of-2024-jewish-electorate

One other factor that may come into play is that over time the Orthodox with higher birth rates and lower assimilation will mean a higher percent Republican.

biocube

(222 posts)
17. At some point, Dems need to move past identity politics
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:40 PM
Mar 12

It hasn't helped us with the share of black and latino votes. There was no army of angry women to save us from Trump in 2024. I don't really care if some Jews are upset Democrats think Netanyahu has gone too far with his war. Heck Mamdani won a majority of Jews under 40. Democrats will win with class-first populism, not trying to pander to identitarian grievances.

Keepthesoulalive

(2,307 posts)
29. Dems will win by not acting like republicans and fight for everyone
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:53 PM
Mar 12

It is the republicans who use identity politics the racist, homophobic, anti immigrant and anti woman base eats it up. Donald Trump was supposedly populist he promised bs to idiots and they believed him. I find many white men want us to talk about what matters to them and everyone else F O . Which is an extension of the I only want to talk about what affects me.

betsuni

(29,088 posts)
48. That it's Republicans (and others who attack Democrats) who use identity politics -- this can't be repeated enough.
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 02:07 AM
Mar 13

biocube

(222 posts)
63. I find many upper middle-class Dems
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 08:41 AM
Mar 13

are completely dismissive of class issues that don't affect them even though paid sick leave and minimum wage increases referendums are winning big even in deep red states.

Democrats campaign nationally like the political center is center right on economics and center left socially when it's the exact opposite of that. BTW, I don't think you have to throw women or LGBT people under the bus. It's about what you choose to emphasize on campaigns.

Keepthesoulalive

(2,307 posts)
64. The democrats have consistently tried to pass laws that help all Americans
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 08:55 AM
Mar 13

The republicans push culture wars and stop any progress on pocketbook issues such as healthcare, infrastructure, jobs and a social safety system. The American people respond to republicans lies and rhetoric for instance they are eating the cats and dogs or illegals are taking our jobs and getting benefits they don’t qualify for. Hispanics that voted for him voted for their own deportation. They will always play the victim card and the race card it is up to democrats to effectively counter it , not act like it doesn’t exist.

SocialDemocrat61

(7,660 posts)
57. Who plays "identity politics" more than republicans
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 06:39 AM
Mar 13

Their whole appeal is if you’re a straight white male christian, vote for us and we’ll protect you from all those scary people.

Pisces

(6,253 posts)
18. To go to the actual Nazi party?? I don't think so.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:51 PM
Mar 12

Autumn

(48,966 posts)
19. I'm not anti Jewish but I think if the republican party suits them then by all means
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:59 PM
Mar 12

feel free to join them.

Nanjeanne

(6,591 posts)
21. I've not noticed anti Jewish or antisemitic rise on left at all. Anti Israel yes but as a Jew I stand
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:14 PM
Mar 12

firmly in the anti Israel camp. Even my relatives in Israel that are still there are still protesting their government. My closest family have relocated to France from Israel and they left in 2025 when Israel was bombing Lebanon before.

Not one single left leaning person I know has expressed any anti Jewish sentiment. Not in person. Not in any protest I’ve been at. Not at any Democratic Party organizing event. So Im not sure that I have had the same awareness as the OP has expressed.

SunImp

(2,706 posts)
30. On social media like reddit, twitter & YouTube I've seen a few leftists or left leaning users being antisemitic
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:59 PM
Mar 12

By using antisemitic phrases & language to not only attack Israel, but Jewish people. On Reddit, threads, bluesky it gets downvoted & gets called out most of the time. Like recently Ana Kasparan used "Goyim" in a tweet & rightful got back lash for it from other leftists. Unfortunately you can't control everyone so if it happens expect rightwingers to blow it out of proportion & make a big deal about it

Sogo

(7,205 posts)
36. ...rightwingers and their bots....
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 11:39 PM
Mar 12

nt

SunImp

(2,706 posts)
39. Yes, many of them are bots or pretending to be leftwingers
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 12:06 AM
Mar 13

But there are actual left wingers who are truly antisemitic like Badempanada youtuber or zesquirl on twitter. I don't want these leftwingers to be used against legitimate leftwing grievances n protestors

Nanjeanne

(6,591 posts)
60. Well social media is not a great barometer of actual Democratic sentiment and gives platform for
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 07:51 AM
Mar 13

lots of people anonymous or otherwise to express themselves. I don’t doubt that it allows antisemitic people an opportunity to vent their bias but I don’t think it can be equated to a lot of leftist Democrats leaving the party or anything. I imagine a search of anti Muslim rhetoric would fry one’s brain if searched throughout social media as well.

Im just not of the opinion that it is leftists who are Democrats and now thinking of leaving Dem party. I do think AIPEC will be pushing and trying to frame Dems differently. And I do hope it doesn’t make Dem politicians too frightened to oppose Israel actions.

The Wizard

(13,747 posts)
26. Simple question
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:36 PM
Mar 12

Who normalized bigotry?

harumph

(3,287 posts)
27. That really would be out of the frying pan into the fire wouldn't it?
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:39 PM
Mar 12

Even if the "frying pan" in this case is the equivalent of occasionally getting a botched restaurant order. But people are individuals and we shouldn't stereotype or characterize otherwise. Accordingly, if certain individual Jews feel an urgent need to leave the Democratic party, then it's a free country (sort of). I see no other viable or remotely ethical political home. I'm not going to the whole sackcloth and ashes thing and beg them to stay.

Adios

Johonny

(26,205 posts)
38. Do they listen to what the RW thinks about them
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 11:58 PM
Mar 12

Because it's not filled with people saying good things...

Iggo

(49,940 posts)
43. Yes and No.
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 01:06 AM
Mar 13

As usual.

Skittles

(171,791 posts)
45. not fooling me
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 01:11 AM
Mar 13

not one fucking bit

fujiyamasan

(1,734 posts)
46. Those examples you posted are not exclusively of antisemitism from the "left"
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 01:19 AM
Mar 13

Antisemitism isn’t an ideological thing. It’s just an age old pathological and idiotic hatred and scapegoating of a people. It’s not something that can easily be defended.

If this about Israel though, we’re definitely seeing a sea change. Recent polls are showing that support for Israel has fallen drastically over the last two years. That’s overall. Democrats were already shifting away.

Even immediately after 10/07, I was a staunch supporter (recognizing that Israel had the right to defend itself) until its never ending bombardment and starvation in Gaza. Labeling anyone that dared to give a shit about kids dying there antisemitic or a Hamas supported was the last straw. And of course now this war with Iran…

HesNotHere

(23 posts)
47. Is the Democratic Party restricting growth by embracing empathy?
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 01:56 AM
Mar 13

Imagine the cool parties that could fit in such a huge tent, althuogh acoustics would be sacrilege to Wagner.

ecstatic

(35,080 posts)
49. People are trying to divide us. But if we just remember
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 02:25 AM
Mar 13

our values we can get past it. A true liberal or progressive is not going to look at what BB is doing in Gaza / the Middle East and use that as a basis to attack Jewish Americans or even Israeli citizens. That is disgusting and not something anyone here should support, condone or tolerate.

At the same time, in my opinion, a true liberal or progressive is not going to support what bb and trump are doing in the Middle East right now. It's not about gatekeeping, it's just a common collection of values. Most of us do not support pointless wars and we definitely don't support (or try to justify) the mass elimination of innocent men, women and children.

From my understanding, most Jewish Americans do NOT support what bb is doing. I also heard that most Israelis do not support him either. He's making all of us less safe.

questionseverything

(11,848 posts)
54. Bibi has 80% support attacking iran and all the other mid east countries
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 03:15 AM
Mar 13

So I call bullshit

fujiyamasan

(1,734 posts)
55. Yes, that's what I read too
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 03:51 AM
Mar 13

Bibi was simply not popular before the attacks. He was facing massive protests over the judicial overhaul. It was looking hopeful that he would be forced out. He was also under criminal investigation.

After 10/07 I understand there was a real sense of paranoia. It shook the country to its core and sadly in normal citizens’ eyes, it seems to have justified some truly terrible and morally reprehensible policy choices. For Bibi the attacks were a godsend, and he has milked it for all it’s worth.

It’s not unlike 9/11 and bush and the republicans exploiting it afterward, but of course Israel is a much smaller country so the attacks were even deeper felt.

All that said, it’s no longer tenable for the US to simply cover for them at every stop. We shouldn’t look away when they commit atrocities with our tax money. It makes no sense to subsidize a country that constantly keeps making such terrible choices.

Nanjeanne

(6,591 posts)
61. Do you mean in Israel or are you suggesting 80% of all Jewish people approve of his war?
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 07:56 AM
Mar 13

questionseverything

(11,848 posts)
72. 80% of the jews in Israel, his war approval in the United States for Jewish people is approximately 50/50
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 12:43 PM
Mar 13

Nanjeanne

(6,591 posts)
79. Right so who cares about what Israeli citizens
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 02:27 PM
Mar 13

feel about the Democratic Party. And as far as your other statistics I’d like the Democratic Party to take a moral stand and see if 50% become Rs. Do t think that’s happening.

LeftInTX

(34,349 posts)
83. Aren't a chunk of them dual-US citizens?
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 08:41 PM
Mar 13

My husband's nephew is Jewish and spends lot of time in Israel.

He's 1/2 Mexican. He says he fears Muslims more than ICE. I keep trying to tell him that ICE is detaining US citizens and he refuses to believe me. Saw him last month about the US citizen they detained for a month. All he could say was, "She was doing something wrong". As for the people who were shot by ICE: "It was there fault". That's what he said.

Nanjeanne

(6,591 posts)
84. I imagine some are. Don't know % of the 80% Israeli citizens quoted in that statistic. Don't care really
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 10:32 PM
Mar 13

since I don’t encourage our Democratic politicians to make policy based on what Israeli citizens living in Israel whether dual or not want

Blue Full Moon

(3,505 posts)
50. Most block voted for Trump.
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 02:51 AM
Mar 13

Scrivener7

(59,540 posts)
51. A) You're the friggin' Post. You tell us. B) They're not a bloc, any more
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 02:59 AM
Mar 13

than Irish or Hispanic or Black voters.

C) The article talks about distrust of Cankles, so what's with that headline?

D) Anti Netanyahu is not Anti Jewish any more than Anti Trump is Anti American.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,235 posts)
56. The one quote in the article for a reason for drop in support is "Democrats are criticizing Israel"
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 04:22 AM
Mar 13
Joan Rubin, 55, who works at a housing development in the Bronx, said she recently stopped wearing a six-pointed Star of David after someone in her neighborhood approached her about the necklace.
...
Rubin, who works at the Bronx housing development, said she used to vote Democratic but has shifted right in recent years because some of that party’s leaders have intensely criticized Israel. Now she identifies as Republican and voted for Trump last year.

“I’ve seen the Democratic Party become less and less supportive of Israel and now it seems to have escalated to the point where I don’t feel confident the Democrats are protecting us against antisemitism,” Rubin said. “I’m tending towards feeling safer with Trump and the Republicans. It’s just a gut feeling.”

If those who have dropped support of Democrats are the ones who "interchangeably reference Netanyahu, Israel, Israelis and Jews", what can you do?

Nanjeanne

(6,591 posts)
62. If Joan Rubin is a Trump supporter now because Dems criticize Israel -- good riddance Joan.
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 07:58 AM
Mar 13

Torchlight

(6,835 posts)
59. Sounds serious.
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 07:27 AM
Mar 13

Good luck.

Quiet Em

(2,944 posts)
67. Antisemitism is rising and it's very concerning
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 11:51 AM
Mar 13

Any Republican trying to push a talking point that it is a partisan poltical issue is being dishonest and is not taking this problem seriously.

gulliver

(13,994 posts)
68. The Democratic Party has no place for Jewphobia
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 11:55 AM
Mar 13

None of our party leaders are Jewphobes.

maxrandb

(17,435 posts)
70. Maybe
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 12:15 PM
Mar 13

You have Israeli political leaders now describing the Iran War as the means for the return of a messiah Jewish people don't believe in, so why not abandon a party that has always stood up for the Jewish peoples right to practice their religious faith, for one that fantasizes about their forced conversion.

It makes about as much sense as America electing a pedophile rapist, so it's probably accurate.

LeftInTX

(34,349 posts)
71. I've noticed Iranian-Americans are supporting Trump now. Of course that may be short-lived.
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 12:24 PM
Mar 13

They want a regime change so badly. I totally empathize with them. It's hard to explain how they feel. They are truly exiled.

I doubt if that regime change will happen in the near future and things may just get worse in Iran after this invasion.

If Trump would have just cut and run, like he did last year, things would have been in a better place. Iran would have licked it's wounds and moved on. However, Iran would have been weakened.

It's going to take decades to topple that regime. We spent decades trying this in the Soviet Union. Of course we never invaded them. But Iran has layers of "iron" like the Soviet Union did.

fujiyamasan

(1,734 posts)
82. I understand their desire for regime change
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 06:58 PM
Mar 13

Who in their right mind would want to live in a Corrupt nepotistic theocracy with a basket case of an economy?

But I’m at the point where I’m tired of hearing expat and immigrant populations wanting the US to intervene on their behalf everywhere in the world. This is simply not tenable. It’s been proven repeatedly.

I’m particularly sick of hearing humanitarian justifications for these invasions. Anyone thinking Trump or Bibi has their best interests in mind are delusional.

Ironically Trump could have taken last summer’s bombings as a win and claimed (as false as it may have been) that their nuke facilities had been destroyed. Now he’s getting the country deeper and pushing the economy off what was already a precarious cliff.

Jack Valentino

(5,058 posts)
76. OK--- well, I kind of HATE ISRAEL as a nation-state now----
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 02:03 PM
Mar 13

their government has pretty much destroyed their moral reason for being,
using their military to commit the same types of war crimes
which justified their cause for having their own nation in the first place....

I don't hate 'jews', and realize that many American jews
deplore what has happened to the State of Israel
just as much as I do!

NoRethugFriends

(3,753 posts)
77. Bezos bullshit
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 02:08 PM
Mar 13

Raftergirl

(1,856 posts)
78. I am Jewish. I hate AIPAC, hate Bibi and his government as much as I hate our present administration and
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 02:16 PM
Mar 13

all their policies. I’m not leaving the D party and no one else in my family is either.

I wouldn’t even vote for an R running for dog catcher.

whathehell

(30,476 posts)
80. Again: Not "anti-Jewish", not "anti-Israel"
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 02:40 PM
Mar 13

but anti-Netanyahu...We don't call ourselves "anti- American", because we're anti-Trump.

DJ Synikus Makisimus

(1,438 posts)
81. Because Jews vote with a hive mind?
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 02:43 PM
Mar 13

Ethnic voting is celebrated in corporate media and the "loss" of ethnic blocks is a theme often used to scare the Democrats into what corporate media types like to call "moderation," or what I call collaboration with, or capitulation to, the fascist oligarchy. This stuff smacks of AIPAC's dark money doings, but who knows. The message I read in all of this is anyone who so much as levels a mild criticism of Bibi's right-wing Ashkenazi Zionist regime is antisemitic. Somehow all Jews are supposed to be Zionists. We know where that left Andy Levin (formerly a rather progressive D Rep. from MI-9). Uh-huh.

My experience is that such notions are about as far from the truth as saying that all white people are Klansmen. Voting blocks are convenient for lazy journalists. Such notions also provide fodder for political consultants to charge large fees of candidates and political parties, feasting on all those campaign donations, for hosting focus groups to "understand the problem." Like most things in America, and especially in American politics, it's mostly bullshit.

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