Kick and rec if you support Manny Goldstein

[UnrepentantLiberal]

All you Manny Goldstein bashers are, well, hateful Manny Goldstein bashers. Look, he works night and day to please you. He has a dog named Boo. What's not to like about that? He works so hard on the Third Way agenda his hair is turning grey. So stop hating on him and kick and rec like you mean it!

[xchrom]

1. 2 - 4- 6- 8- who do we appreciate?

Manny!

[gateley]

2. I love Manny.

[chatcat11]

3. Go Manny!

[Berlum]

4. He has always been our number one enemy

"While he may in some respects be unmutual, he is Too Big for DU to let him FAIL. " - The Brotherhood

[DeSwiss]

5. K&R

[reteachinwi]

6. Being is not more than Non-being

[HiPointDem]

7. emanuel goldstein is the enemy. ready for the 3 minute hate, altogether now...

[WilliamPitt]

8. Bernie Sanders voted 'Yes' last night.

?

[msanthrope]

11. Third-way Bernie strikes again...nt

[WilliamPitt]

14. Welcome to DU.

Enjoy your stay.

[annabanana]

9. Manny nails it.. over and over

[Bluenorthwest]

10. I think Third Way Manny's work is precision stuff, satire which actually functions on the internet.

And that's hard. So frankly even those who might feel stung or bothered by his posts really should appreciate the excellence of craft Manny displays on DU. So if he makes you laugh or if he makes you gnash teeth either way he is hitting the nail on the head again and again when it comes to taking the piss out of that particular point of political view.

[bvar22]

93. "3rd Way Manny" is BRILLIANT.

[Demo_Chris]

12. I like him

[Trailrider1951]

15. I like Manny. While I do not always agree with him, his posts are thought-provoking,

and are usually spot-on. Thanks, Manny. On second thought, he didn't get a pizza delivery, did he? That would be DU's loss...........

[WashingtonConsensus]

16. kick

[Efilroft Sul]

17. Kick!

Sooner or later, though, this thread will get bogged down.

[jumptheshadow]

18. You mean Manny, who fights for Social Security?

I REALLY like the way he fights the good fight. I'm freshly awake. What's going on?

[whathehell]

20. Anyone who fights for Social Security is Good with me!! n/t

[intaglio]

19. I wish I could unrec n/t

[sabrina 1]

143. Well, thanks for the kick anyhow.

[Doctor_J]

21. Kick for a real Dem

[RBInMaine]

22. I heard Manny was running for leader of the TeaLeftistPuristNonReality Party. Hurray for him!!!

[Egalitarian Thug]

73. I didn't see your name on the rec list. Surely an oversight on your part. n/t

[bemildred]

23. I prefer Squealer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squealer_%28Animal_Farm%29

[rhett o rick]

24. One of Manny's personalities is highly overrated but I forget which.

His split personality disorder keeps me confused. I wish he'd pick a side and stick to it. And for that reason I am not going to kick this silly thread. Well, not more than two or three times.



Happy Nude Year Manny (whichever you are at this time)

[fadedrose]

25. Have never disagreed with his well-stated opinions....nt

[Champion Jack]

26. I haven't seen any of his posts for a long time now...

[Arctic Dave]

27. BURN THE WITCH!!!!!!!

I do want my beautiful mind filled with the unwashed.

[stupidicus]

28. from what little I've read

if he's a major annoyance to the "new dems" around here as your effort indicates, I support him and his efforts.

I can't imagine why their efforts (bashing) would turn his hair gray though. I've never found dealing with the DLC/"Third Way" types to be particularly stressful, given they are just slightly more capable than the rightwingers they enable.

[forestpath]

40. +1

[Dragonfli]

29. K&R for Third Way Manny

He has taught me the value of fighting the Republicans by adopting their point of view and enacting the things that they can't get passed without our support.

Without the third way, why how would the Heritage Foundation get it's ideas turned into law?

Third Way Manny is the most serious, sensible man I know.

[woo me with science]

30. Manny has a special kind of brilliance. :)

Whenever I get depressed by the state of our political system and the corporate propaganda we are incessantly fed, I comfort myself with this awesome spectacle at DU: shameless defenders of police state and neocon policies also eagerly and publicly embracing their roles as haters of Emmanuel Goldstein...

[sabrina 1]

87. Yes, he does. And so do you btw!

[Oilwellian]

31. If I were to have a kindred spirit on DU...

Manny would be it. The real Manny. Not Third Way Manny. That guy is an enigma and makes my head spin. But the real Manny is the Real Deal. I love you Man-ny.

K&R

[rhett o rick]

32. kick

[Hun Joro]

33. Love Manny.

[Brickbat]

34. I don't often have Internet crushes, but when I do, one of them is on Manny Goldstein.

K&R

[socialist_n_TN]

35. I wonder if Manny gets whiplash from his two personalities..........

vying for control? I support Manny even though he got the heebie-jeebies when I suggested he check out Marxism.

[Agony]

36. Best in class.

in whichever incarnation...

[OldDem2012]

37. Yes, we all know how hard he works to be.....

....as disruptive and as argumentative as he can be.....

[IMG][/IMG][/URL]

[sabrina 1]

119. The truth can be unwelcome and very inconvenient. But the only way it

is ever disruptive, is to people who recognize it but prefer that it not be heard. Regardless, it should always be spoken no matter how angry it makes people.

[OldDem2012]

133. There's a difference between offering constructive criticism and constantly complaining,....

....people will listen to the former but block out the latter.

Manny, and other "constant complainers", are in the process of driving themselves to the far edge of the discussion where their voices can barely be heard.

[sabrina 1]

142. Manny has been right all along. Those at the far edge of the discussion

do not include those who refuse to wear rose colored glasses despite the pressure to do so. As has happened time and time again, the facts don't seem to matter to the extremes on both sides so long as they can pretend that their 'team' is winning. And while both sides play this game, the manipulators in power take away a little more each time the game is played by them, counting on those who want so much to believe, to try to silence those who see clearly what is going on. But it's getting harder and harder for them as more and more people refuse to remain blind to the facts.

The people just lost again, but the good news is, this time they were prepared, they expected it because it has all become so predictable. 'Complaining' as YOU call it, is what has happened throughout history and as time passes, it is the 'complainers' who in the end, have changed things for the better.

[octoberlib]

38. K&R! Love Manny nt

[forestpath]

39. K&R

[pnwmom]

41. He works so hard at what? Fighting any Democratic who happens to be in office? n/t

[Melissa G]

42. Happy New Year!

Yay Manny!

[madokie]

43. Manny is golden

[JTFrog]

44. unrec. n/t

[UnrepentantLiberal]

74. That function has been disabled.

[leftstreet]

82. Manny disabled it

He saw that this would happen



Manny 2016

[UnrepentantLiberal]

83. Brilliant!

[madfloridian]

134. Ha!

Indeed he did.

[hay rick]

146. He's playing multi-dimensional DU-posting chess.

Manny 2016

[Egalitarian Thug]

45. He turned me into a NEWT!

& R

[SidDithers]

46. Manny would have preferred McCain had beaten Obama in 2008, so no...

Here was the OP:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x761367

BlueDemKev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 07:56 PM
Original message
If you could reverse ONE election outcome, which would it be?
Of all the presidential elections since Watergate, if you could go back and reverse the outcome of just ONE of them (knowing that would have changed history and subsequent elections most likely would have featured different candidates debating very different issues, which election would you change and why?

1976: Carter d. Ford
1980: Reagan d. Carter
1984: Reagan d. Mondale
1988: Bush d. Dukakis
1992: Clinton d. Bush
1996: Clinton d. Dole
2000: Bush d(?). Gore
2004: Bush d. Kerry
2008: Obama d. McCain

And Manny's reply?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=761367&mesg_id=761480

MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 08:10 PM
Response to Original message
16. 2008.

In the prior elections, people got what they wanted, whether it was good or bad, perhaps with the exception of the stolen 2004 election (which was close, anyway). So, no matter who won, things would have generally gone the way they did. For example, Al Gore was an active participant in Clinton's development of the outsourced-torture "extraordinary rendition" program.

In 2008, people voted overwhelmingly for hope and change, but we got much other, for examples:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-15-2010/resp...

This is an enormous problem. We've had almost 20% real unemployment for years, and more shoveling of worker's cash to the wealthiest. So now the Democratic brand is badly damaged, and the people have returned even-crazier Republicans to office in a desperate attempt for actual, helpful change. It's like the poor souls who leaped from the Twin Towers on 9/11 to avoid the fire. Awful, awful choices.

Would McCain's policies be much different? I don't see how. In addition, at least we'd have a chance for bringing in people with Democratic ideals in 2010 and 2012 - 2010 was a disaster, and 2012 is unlikely to see a good outcome at the Presidential level.

That's right. Manny didn't choose to have Carter beat Reagan in 1980, or Gore beat Bush Jr in 2000. He thought the election he'd most like to see reversed was Obama beating McCain in 2008.

And that's why I think every fucking thing that Manny posts should be taken with a boulder of salt.

Sid

[JTFrog]

53. Exactly.

Those posts are not in touch with reality in any way shape or form.

[Robb]

57. Ouch.

That predates the "Third Way Manny" schtick, too.

I've generally thought his heart was in the right place, but that does give pause.

[RFKHumphreyObama]

60. Yikes

Good catch

He doesn't see how McCain's policies would be much different? Obviously the lessons of Bush vs. Gore went right over the heads of some people

[SunSeeker]

67. Yaow. nt

[grantcart]

68. That wasn't the real Manny that was fourth way Manny.

[Cha]

76. I have all that crap on IGNORE. Thanks for exposing

the President Obama hater, Sid.

[politicasista]

118. +1 n/t

[uponit7771]

81. +1

[JoePhilly]

90. Wow!! That explains a lot.

[Arctic Dave]

95. Makes me love him that much more.

Ahahahahahahahaha

[zappaman]

108. Wow.

thanks for this post, Sid.
really unbelievable!

[NYC Liberal]

111. Utterly transparent.

[politicasista]

115. Wow is the word n/t

[latebloomer]

47. We seem to be on the same page

I always look forward to reading his opinions.

[malz]

48. ENTHUSIASTICALLY

He's a realist!

[Autumn]

49. Love Manny. The most astute and important writer DU has.

Last edited Tue Jan 1, 2013, 04:49 PM - Edit history (1)

If it's by Manny a rec is going to follow.

[TheKentuckian]

50. Love me some Manny!

[TDale313]

51. Thank you, Manny.

K & R. Your voice is needed.

[leftstreet]

52. He's dreamy!

DURec

[DJ13]

54. Heres a Manny sized kick!

[Egalitarian Thug]

55. Just looking at the names of those against him is enough to warm the cockles of my heart.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

70. Yeah, all my least favorites showing up to kick Manny's appreciation thread.

!

[OnyxCollie]

126. I'm only seeing positive messages.

But then my ignore list is well-stocked with DLC pragmatists.

[MessiahRp]

136. +1

Unfortunately I don't use ignore enough and thus, I see the shit they post.

It's always the same crowd of people too.

[Egalitarian Thug]

139. I bet the two lists are nearly identical. This thread brought a significant number of them out. n/t

[white_wolf]

138. That's what I was thinking.

[dionysus]

56. third party manny is the bestest! nt

[ananda]

58. Manny bo banny bananafanafomanny.

Manny!

[Blue_In_AK]

59. You bet.

Manny's one of my favorites ... in BOTH of his incarnations.

[stevenleser]

61. Manny is useful in one sense.I only have to go to one place to get contrarian opinions from the left

I know that whatever Obama does, he is going to try and criticize it from the left.

So I read what Manny says and determine if any of it is justified. Usually it isnt, so I can dismiss any concerns I might have without having to go to multiple sources.

[jberryhill]

103. Like a Bill Kristol of the left

But Manny doesn't make a living at it.

[KittyWampus]

125. LOL!

[WillyT]

62. HUGE K & R !!! - For Manny !!!

[Douglas Carpenter]

63. someone has to tell the truth and shame the devil

I don't agree with him 100% of the time - but probably 90% - about much as I agree with myself

[JDPriestly]

64. I love Manny Goldstein.

[plethoro]

65. Manny is great. He always tells it the way it is ...

infinite k & r

[SunsetDreams]

66. Did Manny run for office?

I missed it.

[Jim Warren]

69. K&R

'cause there is a huge chasm between working class and middle class that gets ignored.

[me b zola]

71. I heart Manny

[SaveOurDemocracy]

72. Manny rocks!

[hay rick]

75. K&R for Mannymania.

His hair is greying because it has been on fire so often. One of the good guys even if he never did make the cheerleading squad himself.

[Skittles]

77. I LOVES ME SOME MANNY GOLDSTEIN

MANNY ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[abelenkpe]

78. K&R

[davidwparker]

79. +1

Manny rocks.

[a2liberal]

80. K&R (n/t)

[Kennah]

84. I heard he's an uncircumcised Presbyterian

[tclambert]

85. Big fan of Manny.

Also of Third-Way Manny. And the future Fourth-Way Manny.

Satire is tricky. Some people don't get it. Look at all the Right-Wingers who take Stephen Colbert at face value. Ew! Ugly bunch. Okay, you can look away now.

[sabrina 1]

86. Third Way Manny is the best of DU.

[JEB]

88. Manny is the Man.

And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

[JoePhilly]

89. I love Manny's non-predictive predictions.

From what Manny tells us, Obama has cut cut SS 6 or 7 times now.

[MannyGoldstein]

92. You don't say? Examples?

Good luck!

[JoePhilly]

113. MannyGoldstein ... the King of Coy.

Imply imply imply ... then deny deny deny.

Stick with it ... it works for you.

Curious ... when do you think Obama will sign an agreement to cut Social Security ... got any predictions?

Or just more amorphous outrage?

[MannyGoldstein]

123. I think bad thoughts, and you just *know* it

Got it.

[bvar22]

91. I'll kick this thread supporting Manny,

but I ain't sending any MONEY!!!


Manny is one of DUs Best & Brightest,
who heeds the advice of Paul Wellstone:
"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we say we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."
--- Paul Wellstone[/font][/center]
[font size=3]

[Drunken Irishman]

94. The same Manny that wished we had gone into a Great Depression? Na'.

[MannyGoldstein]

96. Wow! How about linking to that post?

You'd be performing a public service!

[Drunken Irishman]

97. Here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002788832#post2

We would need this depression to get much worse to cleanse both parties

I hate this. But that's what I think it would take.

You 'hate it' but we 'need it'.

Yeah. We need all the heartache of a great depression - the 25% unemployment ... the massive economic collapse. We need it!

[MannyGoldstein]

99. Hmm... I passed all of my English classes, but

can't seem to find the part saying that we *should* have a depression worse than what we have now.

[Drunken Irishman]

100. That's pretty much what you said.

Don't be disingenuous. Own your words. You spend your whole posting career here slamming 'third way Democrats' and then say the only way we can weed 'em from the party is by having a great depression. You've said a few times on this forum that you think an economic collapse is needed to purge out those Democrats you don't like.

[MannyGoldstein]

102. "pretty much"?

Thanks for playing. No consolation prize.

Maybe some of the other posts are more specific?

Good luck!

[Drunken Irishman]

106. I don't need to specific, Manny.

You've been openly rooting against our economy since Obama took office. The irony with this thread is that it's supposed to be an FU toward your haters when you're one of the biggest haters on this board.

[Fumesucker]

101. That post was in reply to an OP which asked this question..

Do we need a total depression to cleanse the RW. The public doesn't seem to care one way or another?

Not to mention you edited Manny's post which changed the meaning somewhat.

Manny also makes the point in a later post in the same subthread that the Depression brought FDR and the New Deal as well as a 300% increase in union membership during FDR's presidency.

[Drunken Irishman]

105. I did not edit the point...

Manny has spent his entire posting career here railing against what he considers 'third way Democrats' and openly says we need another depression to weed 'em out. It's not hard to put things together.

There are some DUers, and they're almost all the same who cheer for us to go over the fiscal cliff and straight into a recession, that would throw economy off the edge because they believe it'll benefit their ideology. They don't care how many people are hurt by it - how many lives are destroyed ... just to advance their ideology. It's sad and no, I'm not going to support members who advance radical talk like that.

[Fumesucker]

107. Sure you did, you cut a paragraph right out of the middle of his post.

It looks like the cliff dive just might happen anyway if the House doesn't pass the Senate bill.

You seem to be making the assumption that everyone on DU who thinks like Manny is upper middle class or better, that's not remotely true in my own case.

[Drunken Irishman]

109. Nope.

Manny's own words are there. I didn't take it out of context. Manny feels, and he can deny it (and he's been called out in it before, so, this isn't new ... he even got caught editing one of his posts because it talked about the need for another recession), that we might be best served going into a depression because it could bring about radical change. I'm not taking his quote out of context - this is what he typed. To weed out the third way Democrats, we need the depression (we're not actually in a depression) to get worse.

Manny wants to weed 'em out. So, it's not hard to see that he also wants the economy to worsen so that we can weed 'em out.

[Fumesucker]

112. First you didn't give the context of the OP question

And then you cut an entire paragraph right out of the middle of the text you quoted.

The latter at least is definitely deceptive editing and IMO the former is too.

[MineralMan]

98. Well, I support

one wife, myself, two cats, ands a dog named Dude. There is not a lot left over. Still, if Manny needs support, I could kick in a few bucks.

[Liberal_Dog]

104. K & R For Manny. nt

[Ken Burch]

110. We NEED Manny...he is a truth-teller.

It's important to have people here who aren't just cheerleaders for the party leadership.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

114. It didn't work for North Korea.

[Doctor_J]

116. Place should probably be named Obamaunderground at this point

Manny and a few real Dems are getting shouted down and run off the board (instead of being thanked for supporting the right-of-Reagan president).

[harmonicon]

117. Who the fuck is Manny Goldstein and why should I care? (nt)

[dflprincess]

120. I love Manny!

and I'm proud to kick this thread to show my support.

[MannyGoldstein]

124. Incorrect. nt

[politicasista]

128. It was the truth

Sorry. Just sayin.

[pscot]

122. I think Manny's great. Both of him.

Or however many of him there are now.

[OnyxCollie]

127. K&R. nt

[bbgrunt]

129. we need more Manny! k and r

[LeftyLucy22]

130. K & R! nt

[Michigan-Arizona]

131. K&R n/t

[closeupready]

132. I totally {heart} Manny Goldstein.

K&R

[LuvNewcastle]

135. Long live Manny!

[malthaussen]

137. Said it before, say it again: Manny for President!!!

He deserves the job.

-- Mal

[sendero]

140. I agree ..

... with Manny about 90% of the time. There's not anyone I agree with all the time - maybe Robert Reich

[MelungeonWoman]

141. Kick!

[Hell Hath No Fury]

144. Late to the Party but K&R -

[WI_DEM]

145. the guy frustrates and sometimes infuriates me, but I kind of like him.

[DLevine]

147. Thank you, Manny, for keeping it real, & for fighting the good fight. n/t