Presidential secession

[intelpug]

I know this has been discussed before but I am hazy on details, If, for instance, Obama was named speaker of the house and Trump and Vance were impeached could Obama finish out the term as president? The twenty second does not seem to address the possibility this scenario in particular, Any input appreciated thanks

[Fiendish Thingy]

1. The word is succession

And no, your scenario could not happen, any more than making Trump speaker in 2029 could give him a third term.

[Srkdqltr]

2. How would Obama be named Speaker of the House? He would have to be voted in as Representative first than voted by the Ho

But first he would have to agree to it and (he would know better) than find an open seat where he could win. Etc, etc. Magical Thinking is fun.

[wnylib]

3. Not certain, but I think that the House can elect a Speaker

who is not an elected member of the House.

But I think that a former president who already served 2 terms would not be eligible for election as the Speaker because of the succession line.

[returnee]

4. I think there is a way to replace TSF and Vance with a Democratic president...

…before the next election. It could happen, but it won’t. Here’s how:
Somehow, it comes to pass that everyone, i.e., overwhelmingly majorities in both houses and among the people, believe the repubs have utterly failed the country (total fantasy I know). TSF could be impeached, convicted and removed, or could be convinced to resign. Vance moves into the presidency. Then, for similar reasons Vance nominates Harris (e.g.) as VP, and the Senate confirms. Then, for similar reasons Vance resigns and Harris succeeds him as president. Walz is then nominated and confirmed as VP. As fantastic as it sounds, it COULD happen, because the mechanism is there. This fantasy is dependent on the understanding, patriotism, and will of people.

For the record, this is my best understanding of the mechanism of succession, unless the P and VP are incapacitated or removed simultaneously. Then it would be the Speaker.

[sarisataka]

7. In what reality would Vance pick Harris as a VP?

I don't think any President ever has chosen a VP from outside their own party.

ETA> once. Lincoln picked Andrew Johnson, a Democrat, to be his VP to get support from the pro Civil War Democrats.
History shows how well that worked.

[returnee]

9. I was using my imagination...

…to point out the mechanism of succession in response to a post that indicated they did not understand the mechanics. I was very clear in my post that the likelihood of this happening was approaching zero. Not really sure how you missed that.

[sarisataka]

5. Setting aside the impossibility

Of removing Trump via impeachment (I like to think we learned something from the failed attempts) let alone both him and Vance- Obama is not going to ever become the Speaker of the House.

But for the sake of mental masturbation we assume three impossible things happen before breakfast.

The spirit of the 22nd Amendment would say no; the two year limit of time served as President to be eligible to be elected twice implies a ten year maximum of serving as President.

However that is not what the letter of the Amendment says. The wording limits the number of time a person can be elected to President, it is silent about reaching the office via succession.

So theoretically a person could be elected twice but serve many terms via succession.

[intelpug]

10. Secession

Thanks for the input, You grasp more what I am talking than some others here. It doesn't have to be Obama but any two termed ex president for an example, I am just puzzling over like you say this wording ''elected'' vs served two terms. I wondered if the authors of the original law considered this scenario occurring or not. This isn't original or ''Magical thinking'' to DU as pages of this sort of theory were floated here right after the 2016 election

[Srkdqltr]

6. Serious magical thinking.

[usonian]

8. Democrats take the house. Trump flees to Russia. Usha kills JD. Welcome President Jeffries.

Alternatatively, JD perishes in a spacecraft accident with his Daddy.

[ITAL]

11. From what I understand

In the unlikely scenario that the President and VP died and/or resigned the Speaker (or whoever it would be down the line of succession if the Speaker also died in some catastrophe), whoever took the office would only be "Acting President." Of course they would have the powers of the office, but they would never be officially president (and get commemorative coins or official portraits or any of the other stuff).

[Jack Valentino]

12. The conviction of both Trump and Vance by the current US Senate in impeachment trials

is a political impossibility---- and the Constitutional requirement of a 2/3s Senate vote makes it so....


Trump's second impeachment which was about January 6th 2021, was actually the FIRST
where ANY members of the US Senate voted to convict
a president of their own party (6 Republicans if I recall correctly)

The Constitution's rules about impeachment are actually very WEAK,
when so many senators vote for party above country...




(Now, your question about Obama having been elected to Speaker of the House,
and being able to succeed to the presidency in such an impossible instance---

I don't see anything that could legally prevent it, as a non-lawyer---
the Constitution prohibits presidents from being elected more than twice,
but in such a scenario, Obama would not have been actually elected
a third time--- but a far-right and mostly WHITE Supreme Court would probably
imagine a reason to over-rule it!)