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Bread and Circuses

(1,984 posts)
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 05:35 PM Wednesday

Mutiny ?? USS Gerald R. Ford

If this is. True. Wow ! We need to defend these sailors !


https://open.substack.com/pub/deanblundell/p/breaking-did-sailors-aboard-the-uss?r=2zlv4a&utm_medium=ios

The United States Navy is investigating whether sailors aboard the USS Gerald R. Ford — the most expensive warship ever constructed, a $13 billion floating symbol of American military supremacy — deliberately set fire to their own ship to end the deployment.

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Mutiny ?? USS Gerald R. Ford (Original Post) Bread and Circuses Wednesday OP
Interesting... 2naSalit Wednesday #1
Exactly. These sailors may feel that they are on a floating disaster Bread and Circuses Wednesday #4
At the very least. ...nt 2naSalit Wednesday #6
And Trump is stupid enough to demand that the carrier position itself in the middle of the Straits. OAITW r.2.0 Wednesday #26
The bathrooms were broken before deployment. Nt Fiendish Thingy Wednesday #13
ABC... spanone Wednesday #2
Our modern day edhopper Wednesday #3
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Wednesday #5
What about refusing to carry out illegal orders? malaise Wednesday #10
Couldn't they have refused the orders without setting fire to the ship? Qutzupalotl Thursday #48
Yeah, not a good try there. Kingofalldems Wednesday #18
Now do UNLAWFUL military orders. blm Wednesday #28
Exactly! canetoad Thursday #45
Key words there are "lawful military orders." wnylib Wednesday #39
Can you define "unlawful orders"? Ruby the Liberal Thursday #47
Who wants to go to war at the behest of a known pedophile and rapist? roamer65 Wednesday #7
Guardian link malaise Wednesday #8
The military I was in was fueled by: coffee, hot sauce, "griping",........and porn underpants Wednesday #9
"The military I was in was fueled by: coffee, hot sauce, "griping",........and porn" Codifer Wednesday #32
This same guy posted AI slop of the Ford severely aflame rictofen Wednesday #11
I'm sure it was what you were getting at, just pointing it out for those not familiar InstantGratification Wednesday #30
Any other source besides some guy's blog? Nt Fiendish Thingy Wednesday #12
See #8 n/t malaise Wednesday #15
The status of the aircraft carrier is widely know, but not the mutiny/sabotage accusation. Brother Buzz Wednesday #16
Thanks malaise Wednesday #17
Look at post 11 InstantGratification Wednesday #33
Possible, not unheard of. UTUSN Wednesday #14
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Wednesday #19
This message was self-deleted by its author AllaN01Bear Wednesday #20
My military law experience is limited to the Army but I'd be surprised to see mutiny charges. TomSlick Wednesday #21
IF - this turns out to be true stopdiggin Wednesday #24
"" AllaN01Bear Wednesday #22
I remember hearing things post Vietnam Dan Wednesday #23
Assuming this is true, why would we possibly need to defend mutinous arsonists? Renew Deal Wednesday #25
Another former military member Dan Wednesday #29
What good would the word of civilians do anyway? MorbidButterflyTat Wednesday #41
I have been wondering if the generals and officers would begin to refuse to serve? ShazamIam Wednesday #27
Who the hell really knows? ... littlemissmartypants Wednesday #31
Get them off the ship OC375 Wednesday #34
There were straws in the wind last week irisblue Wednesday #35
1972 Height of Vietnam. My F-4 squadron was assigned to the USS Forrestal... Wounded Bear Wednesday #36
At sea shifts are 12 on, 12 off with no rest days. Tbear Wednesday #37
I'm going to crap all over this theory... jmowreader Wednesday #38
From a friend as well as a documentary on submarine life Melon Wednesday #44
Improper maintenance due to fatigue/low morale, not sabotage is certainly a very real possibility. /nt artemisia1 Thursday #46
I doubt it LogDog75 Wednesday #40
As an ex-sailor I don't believe anyone would try such a dumb stunt. GoodRaisin Wednesday #42
The laundry area of any ship is prone to fires. Melon Wednesday #43

2naSalit

(102,404 posts)
1. Interesting...
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 05:39 PM
Wednesday

I wonder if they tried the bathroom breakage first. They've been deployed for a really long time and now they are thrown into a fucking war?

This needs to end, never should have begun.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,082 posts)
26. And Trump is stupid enough to demand that the carrier position itself in the middle of the Straits.
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 08:15 PM
Wednesday

Response to Bread and Circuses (Original post)

wnylib

(25,871 posts)
39. Key words there are "lawful military orders."
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 11:17 PM
Wednesday

The US attack on Iran is not lawful by International and US law.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,650 posts)
47. Can you define "unlawful orders"?
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 09:01 AM
Thursday

Just a few examples would be great for those of us who never served.

roamer65

(37,939 posts)
7. Who wants to go to war at the behest of a known pedophile and rapist?
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 06:10 PM
Wednesday

I wouldn’t.

💥BOOM💥

There’s the truth.

malaise

(295,675 posts)
8. Guardian link
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 06:23 PM
Wednesday
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/18/onboard-fire-uss-gerald-ford-aircraft-carrier

Fire damage, clogged toilets, and sinking morale: USS Gerald R Ford to set sail for repairs in Crete
Aircraft carrier has been participating in strikes on Iran, after previously taking part in the operation to seize Venezuela’s president Nicolás Maduro

underpants

(196,335 posts)
9. The military I was in was fueled by: coffee, hot sauce, "griping",........and porn
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 06:24 PM
Wednesday

A tremendous amount of porn. 😳

I was a Cav Scout so we weren’t raw raw types. We aimed to sit quietly in the woods of Germany and almost certainly die if the balloon went up. We don’t call in - THATS where they at!

From what I’ve heard from sailors, it’s a monotonous repetitive daily grind. “Groundhog Day” they call it. You are in tight quarters and you often go through days and weeks of seeing exactly the same people at the same time every single day.

I’m just saying I can get they are pissed.

Codifer

(1,205 posts)
32. "The military I was in was fueled by: coffee, hot sauce, "griping",........and porn"
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 08:50 PM
Wednesday

The one I was in (Navy) had same list but add Benzedrine to keep up. Flight deck was a busy place to be in 1967. Not so much porn..... we had Olongapo. Also scuttlebutt.

rictofen

(266 posts)
11. This same guy posted AI slop of the Ford severely aflame
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 06:25 PM
Wednesday


Weird, I didn't know the Ford class island was that far forward.
30. I'm sure it was what you were getting at, just pointing it out for those not familiar
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 08:43 PM
Wednesday

Not only is the island not that far forward, it is farther aft than on the Nimitz class. That truly is some AI slop. I had to google his name, but I knew I had heard of Dean Blundell before. He has just proven how easy it is to fool people who have pre-determined their opinion.

Brother Buzz

(39,863 posts)
16. The status of the aircraft carrier is widely know, but not the mutiny/sabotage accusation.
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 06:57 PM
Wednesday
33. Look at post 11
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 08:50 PM
Wednesday

That is not the Gerald Ford. It is AI garbage. The Island on the Ford is farther aft than on the Nimitz class, not farther forward. Also, the angled flight deck for simultaneous launch and landing operations isn't angled enough in those pics.

https://greekcitytimes.com/2026/03/17/american-super-aircraft-carrier-arrives-in-crete-for-resupply/

UTUSN

(77,669 posts)
14. Possible, not unheard of.
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 06:40 PM
Wednesday

Last edited Thu Mar 19, 2026, 12:12 PM - Edit history (4)

When I reported straight from Boot Camp (after 30 days' Leave) to my rust bucket ship in the Vietnam river - me knowing nothing about nothing - we 4 or 5 Boots were toured around the ship and in a remote cranny of it were welcomed by a couple of seasoned sailors sitting on the deck and they said to us that the ship was a rust bucket that leaked and was a hazard to everybody and that some of the seasoned crew were planning something like a protest sit-down and did we want to join. Now, their facial expressions gave no inkling that they might be pranking. We Boots were shocked, taken aback, like, "Is this 'mutiny' ? " We had no clue as to what to think, much less react, so the issue just hung in the air. Nothing happened after that, but a few weeks later we went to Sasebo, Japan, for maybe some light repairs? After my year's tour, the ship kept going until 1971 when it completed its service and was decomissioned, then went/sold? across the Southern Border as salvage.

Later in the year's tour (1967-68) two sailors on the ship were disappeared/discharged? as being either Gay or as trying to get out of service by pretending to be Gay.

There's an issue there - back then, not now? - the Draft (I volunteered) - but being a *CIVILIAN* was an unacknowledged issue. We who either volunteered for our own reasons and Draftees were Civilians to the core, not military mindsets, so had anti-authoritarianism resistance to military "order" - or really, the *regimentation* of the military. We filtered and resisted (passively? ) the blind subservience to orders that might or might not make sense. Later, past my time and not my experience, something called "fragging" was happening in the land forces, which I'm linking to the "civilian" vs military mindsets - people serving against their will and reacting to blind obedience in the ultimate way.





Response to Bread and Circuses (Original post)

Response to Bread and Circuses (Original post)

TomSlick

(12,992 posts)
21. My military law experience is limited to the Army but I'd be surprised to see mutiny charges.
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 07:29 PM
Wednesday

I would think the Navy would not want to see this characterized as mutiny.

My expectation would be charges for damaging government property, under Article 108, UCMJ.

stopdiggin

(15,392 posts)
24. IF - this turns out to be true
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 08:11 PM
Wednesday

Anybody that is setting fire to their OWN ship ... Has the brains of a f***ing squirrel - and is a likely candidate for being tossed overboard by his own shipmates.

Dan

(5,146 posts)
23. I remember hearing things post Vietnam
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 08:01 PM
Wednesday

When Gerald Ford (POTUS) was discussing sending troops to Africa to fight Cubans/Africans. Some of the discussions, I do remember we lost our Company Commander which was a local event - but there were rumors about some Ships and that base in Montana.

Renew Deal

(85,074 posts)
25. Assuming this is true, why would we possibly need to defend mutinous arsonists?
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 08:13 PM
Wednesday

It sounds like a bad idea, immoral, and a losing issue.

Dan

(5,146 posts)
29. Another former military member
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 08:38 PM
Wednesday

posted yesterday about how hard it is to disobey an illegal order. I don't know what is going on reference the ship - but I do understand how hard it would be to disobey illegal orders.

What will probably happen in this situation is that the Captain will be relieved of duty due to Loss of Confidence - his career is over;

The Ship will be out of commission for the foreseeable future while they do repairs;

Lots of military members will be under the microscope - and not sure what will happen;

And given that our leader in the Department of Defense/War/Secretary of War - has decided that DEI must be removed - suspect that somewhere those DEI people are starting to listen to a leadership that doesn't give a damn about them and thinks that they are sub-human.

But I am not there.

littlemissmartypants

(33,171 posts)
31. Who the hell really knows? ...
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 08:48 PM
Wednesday

It will be years before we learn any "truths" about what's happening under the regime.

What I do know is that more than 50% of what's on the internet is mis/disinformation.

I don't have enough bandwidth or the inclination to concern myself with a generous portion of it.

But if even a small bit of this is true, it's pretty damned entertaining. My first reaction was actually laughter. Because It reminds me of the stories the sailors in my life loved to tell when they were alive after having spent the majority of their lives on the Seven Seas.

❤️

OC375

(886 posts)
34. Get them off the ship
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 08:56 PM
Wednesday

Before their comrades toss them off. Fire at sea. Not cool. Not even a little.

irisblue

(37,427 posts)
35. There were straws in the wind last week
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 08:59 PM
Wednesday

1.https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/03/12/aircraft-carrier-laundry-fire-iran/

2.https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2026/02/26/world-s-largest-aircraft-carrier-uss-gerald-ford-leaves-crete-as-iran-talks-start-report

snip-"The vessel has been at the US Naval Support Activity Souda Bay base in Crete since Monday. The US embassy in Athens has declined to comment on the carrier’s presence, forwarding questions to the Pentagon in Washington."

more there

Wounded Bear

(64,256 posts)
36. 1972 Height of Vietnam. My F-4 squadron was assigned to the USS Forrestal...
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 09:02 PM
Wednesday

We were in Norfolk Virginia, training for deployment either to the Mediterranean or to Yankee Station off of Vietnam.

A fire happened aboard the ship just before the final declaration of where we were assigned. I was on leave at the time. A short time at home before the deployment, I thought. The fire destroyed much of the officers' quarters and damaged the combat operations center severely. The USS America was sent off to Vietnam while we stayed in Norfolk for repairs. We finally left for Europe several months later.

We heard later that they caught the sailors who started the fire. We never heard a lot about the whole incident beyond that.

It happens.

Tbear

(696 posts)
37. At sea shifts are 12 on, 12 off with no rest days.
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 11:02 PM
Wednesday

Flight ops on a carrier are especially grueling because planes and stuff break, it’s always dangerous and you are exposed to whatever weather while heading into the wind.
I doubt if these sailors have seen a port for a long while for a break.
You still don’t want to set your ship on fire while at sea. Nowhere to run, put it out or you are shark bait.

jmowreader

(53,155 posts)
38. I'm going to crap all over this theory...
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 11:13 PM
Wednesday

...using a lot of the crap that won't flow through the Ford's undersized sewage system.

This fire started in a dryer vent. Dryer vent fires are more common than you'd think, especially in homes...but I figure if the people who designed this boat made the sewer pipes too small they probably also made the dryer ducts too small.

OF COURSE the Navy is going to look into whether the crew torched their own ship because...that's how the Navy does business. They don't rule anything out, but it appears at this juncture that the cause of the fire is improper maintenance.

Melon

(1,487 posts)
44. From a friend as well as a documentary on submarine life
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 11:52 PM
Wednesday

The dryer for laundry has a manned watch every time it’s running due to risk of fire.

artemisia1

(1,854 posts)
46. Improper maintenance due to fatigue/low morale, not sabotage is certainly a very real possibility. /nt
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 12:35 AM
Thursday

LogDog75

(1,274 posts)
40. I doubt it
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 11:25 PM
Wednesday

The carrier has been plagued by problems since it was launched. Most likely, the Navy couldn't make or afford to correct the problems and as a result accidents happen. When I was in the military we were told 99% of accidents were preventable.

Melon

(1,487 posts)
43. The laundry area of any ship is prone to fires.
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 11:50 PM
Wednesday

In a submarine, there is a watch when the dryer is running as a high risk area for fires.

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