Israel has a Navy

[GCG]

The Israeli Navy has:
7 corvettes (Sa'ar 5 class, Sa'ar 6 class)
8 missile boats (Sa'ar 4.5 class)
5 submarines (Dolphin class)
45 patrol boats
4 support ships
9,500 active
10,000 reserve



Why didn't Trump ask them for help with keeping open the Straits of Hormuz?

[SocialDemocrat61]

1. Isn't their navy in the Mediterranean?

Not really in a position to help

[LakeVermilion]

2. Who could have anticipated that they would be needed?

Just sayin'.

[StoolPigeon]

4. Suez Canal

[SocialDemocrat61]

11. Do they have access?

[Wednesdays]

29. And even if they had access,

...that would nix any notion of their movements being secret, no?

[StoolPigeon]

40. Secrecy?

Trump announced that he was sending ships to the area over a week in advance. These aren't clandestine speed boats. How would England, for example, get a ship there without being noticed?

[StoolPigeon]

39. Unknown to me

I've never heard of any restrictions on military use of the canal. Who's going to stop an armed vessal?

[BeyondGeography]

5. How does that line of thinking work for all the NATO allies he's shitting on?

[SocialDemocrat61]

12. Depends on where

their navys are stationed.

[ChicagoTeamster]

16. They could have transited thru the SUEZ to the Red Sea and they'd be joining US Navy.

[SocialDemocrat61]

17. Do they have access to it?

[ChicagoTeamster]

23. Maybe not after cutting off Egypt but they used to have a cold peace cooperation treaty with Egypt.

That treaty allowed for cooperation over terrorism in the Sinai, Israel allowed natural gas pipeline to transit to Egypt (they recently shut it off) and Egypt allowed for transit of Israeli goods to Europe. So, they should have had no problem if they coordinated first. The US sends battleships and carrier groups through.

[melm00se]

25. Israel/Suez Canal

The Constantinople Convention, which states:

The Suez Maritime Canal shall always be free and open, in time of war as in time of peace, to every vessel of commerce or of war, without distinction of flag.

grants Israel (and any country for that matter) unfettered passage thru the canal.

This treaty has not always been a free pass as Egypt did block access during the Six Day War and the October War.

[SocialDemocrat61]

26. That treaty is from 1888

Is it still in effect?

[Wednesdays]

30. Plus, see my post #29, above. nt

[GJGCA]

36. Wikipedia appears to say yes...

According to the international rules that govern navigation through the Suez Canal, Egypt cannot forbid any vessel from passing through the Canal if there is no war between Egypt and that country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_of_Constantinople

[SocialDemocrat61]

37. Cool

Thanks

[melm00se]

38. To the best of my knowledge,

This is still an active treaty.

Israeli warships passed through the canal in November 2024, and both Egypt and Israel cited the Convention as the reason for allowing such passage.

I like old treaties and their applicability over time, as it is a fascinating subject.

One could argue that the treaty remains in effect as long as Egypt decides it's active and in force, as the canal is under their sovereign control and land.

It should be noted that despite my suggestion above, this treaty is not on as solid ground as other old treaties, as some of the signatories, the Russian, German, Ottoman, and Austria-Hungary Empires have broken political lines to their modern incarnations. Other nations, however (UK, France, Spain, and the Netherlands), have political continuity from their signatories from the late 19th century to the present.

[cab67]

20. could be fairly quickly -

assuming they can still pass through the Suez Canal.

[SocialDemocrat61]

27. That's a consideration too

A lot of modern ships can get through older canals.

[cab67]

28. Israel's warships are on the smaller side.

No idea if an aircraft carrier can transit, but that's not what would be involved.

[SocialDemocrat61]

32. It's not the ship's width

it’s also the draft. Some older canals are not deep enough for all ships.

[cab67]

34. I was taking that into account.

I once watched ships being moved through the docks of the Panama Canal. That included a couple of "Panamax" type freighters.

[SocialDemocrat61]

35. The Suez Canal was constructed in the 1860's

The Panama Canal over 40 years later on a different continent. So ships that can pass through one may not be able to pass through the other.

[cab67]

41. Again, understood.

That said, I just watched a video on YouTube showing an Israeli warship transiting the Suez Canal.

The largest corvettes in the Israeli navy are comparable to ships used for littoral operations in the US Navy, so they have a fairly shallow draft.

[SocialDemocrat61]

43. Cool

So their navy is assisting our navy in the Straits of Hormuz.

[ananda]

3. BIbi is his ally.

He knows it's a futile, self-destructive task, so...
ask NATO (which he hates)>

[cab67]

21. Boobi

[Prairie Gates]

6. It's hard to find schools and hospitals at sea

They also would have trouble opening passage for oil tankers rather than closing passage for food aid.

They're not really suited to the task.

[David__77]

8. That sums it up well.

[Kid Berwyn]

7. They're busy blockading Gaza.

Besides, that’s why Israel employed Donald and the Pentagon.

[NoMoreRepugs]

9. Wouldn't TrumpenFuhrer have to clear that deployment with AIPAC first?

[twodogsbarking]

10. Damn shootin' they have a navy and the US paid "good" money for it.

[Bev54]

13. But do they have a leader right now?

Anybody seen Bibi? And I don’t mean the AI videos

[peppertree]

22. Getting a cup of coffee in hell, no doubt.

In line between Hitler and the two former Ayatollahs.

With Ceaușescu as the barista and Stalin at the cash register (so you know it'll be a while).

Exact change - or...."no coffee for you!"

[GiqueCee]

14. He probably did...

... but Bibi told him to pound sand; he'd gotten the fool to start the war, then cut him loose. Netanyahu, like Trump, is loyal to no one but himself.

[Sogo]

15. Furthermore, if they were so eager for this war, it should be Israeli boots on the ground....

nt

[Dan]

18. Israel will send it's navy once they have expended the last American sailor.

[LiberalArkie]

19. Uhh, Bibi's point of view is "Why should I risk MY navy when I have those Americans who do not mind dying for me"

[dalton99a]

42. +1

[EX500rider]

24. Sa'ar 6-class corvette's are pretty small at 1,900 tons & 295ft

On the other hand pretty well armed for that size.

The Sa'ar 6 has a displacement of almost 1,900 tons at full load and is 90 m (295 ft 3 in) long. It is armed with an Oto Melara 76 mm main gun, two Typhoon Weapon Stations, 32 vertical launch cells for Barak-8 surface-to-air missiles, 40 cells for the C-Dome point defense system, 16 anti-ship missiles Gabriel V,[12][13] the EL/M-2248 MF-STAR AESA radar, and two 324 mm (12.8 in) torpedo launchers. It has hangar space and a platform able to accommodate a medium class SH-60-type helicopter.

Lack of a point defense CIWS might be a issue in a swarm attack.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa%27ar_6-class_corvette

[Wednesdays]

31. 76mm are medium-sized guns, IIRC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTO_Melara_76_mm

Range 10-25 miles, depending on the shell.

[EX500rider]

33. On the smaller end as Naval guns go

2.992 inches