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[Fiendish Thingy]

1. So, we should ignore who AIPAC donates to, and why?

Once again, we must not buy into the fallacy that criticism of the government of Israel, and the pro-Israeli government lobby = antisemitism.

It does not.

[muriel_volestrangler]

2. Is there something that has happened about someone tracking what Jews do with their money? (nt)

[maxrandb]

8. No! This is Psyop shit

Hitler and the Nazis boycotted Jewish businesses. This is NOT that. This is potentially identifying, tracking and highlighting who is donating money to fascists, or, at the very least, is helping ensure fascism wins a governing majority.

I don't care if you're white, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, atheist, pokadotted, striped, or plaid. If you give money to help the Donnie Dipshit/Bibi authoritarian violent shitshow, people have a right to know.

If AIPAC is "proud" of their work in support of this American shitshow, they should have no problem defending themselves, without the obligatory "any criticism of us is antisemitic" bullshit.

[leftstreet]

3. I want to know where my electeds get their $

Whether it's Bank of America, AIPAC, National Association of Realtors, Blue Cross/Shield, Blackstone ...

just tell me

[Autumn]

4. If a group of people are going to spend a lot of money to buy a politician I want to know who they are

and what that politician is going to do. We have two political parties. AIPAC is not one of them.

[Crunchy Frog]

10. That's very historically interesting. I'm wondering if it has any relevance to anything happening in this country now.

Is there maybe a tracking of immigrants going on?

[muriel_volestrangler]

14. Why do you link this to the "No Kings" protest? (nt)

[karynnj]

6. Please explain what you mean by tracking how Jews spend their money

As a Jew, I can think of NO instance where my purchase of anything was tracked because I was Jewish.

If you are referring to how AIPAC spends its money, ALL PACs have and should have their donations to candidates and any political campaigns tracked. Not to mention you don't have to be Jewish to give AIPAC money nor have all Jews given money to AIPAC. I would guess that few Jews on this board have done so.

I take pride in the fact that years ago, roughly 2006, AIPAC representatives left an event at a synagogue I belonged to in a huff because several of us called them on what they presented as facts. Best yet, they were so unhappy with us they left the sign in sheet with emails behind. We took advantage of that to document that we, not they, were correct. While I know at least some had contributed to AIPAC in the past, I suspect and hope we reduced that number ... the opposite they hoped for

An editor of a Jewish newspaper at a different talk noted that while AIPAC claimed to support Israel's positions, they tended to only follow the right wing LIKUD positions.

[harumph]

13. "... they tended to only follow the right wing LIKUD positions."

AIPAC is bad for liberals, of whatever background, ethnicity, religion or no religion. I support Israel, but don't believe in blank checks.

[fujiyamasan]

7. So please tell us what you are trying to imply...

I don’t hear anyone calling for boycotting “Jewish owned” businesses (unless it was some idiots trying to boycott the local deli a year or two ago). Besides I don’t know what “Jewish money” even means in an American context. For that matter, if you said something about white, black, Latino, Christian, Muslim or Hindu money, I’d also be confused.

If this is about AIPAC well, yeah I think we all ought to know how an organization representing foreign interests is spending their money. That’s the whole point of campaign finance laws — providing transparency to the public. A lot of the politicians getting AIPAC money aren’t even Jewish. They’re Christian, and right wing Christians at that.

If this were about rising antisemitism, I think there’s a valid discussion to be had (yes, incidents such as the attack a week or two ago in Michigan are very disturbing and are part of a series of attacks over the years on Jewish cultural and religious centers and Jews in general — they should be strongly condemned by everyone), but any thinly veiled attempts to tie AIPAC or criticism to Israel to antisemitism fall flat and make a mockery of the seriousness of both US foreign policy in the Middle East, and real antisemitism globally.

[Crunchy Frog]

9. I agree. Billionaire political donors and major lobbying organizations on the other hand, should absolutely be tracked

regardless of their ethnic or religious backgrounds.

[Passages]

11. Obama regarding AIPAC....tracking.

snip*
In the book, the former president also grumbles about the treatment he received from leaders of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), who questioned his policies on Israel. Obama wrote that as Israeli politics moved to the right, AIPAC’s broad policy positions shifted accordingly, “even when Israel took actions that were contrary to U.S. policy” and that lawmakers and candidates who “criticized Israel policy too loudly risked being tagged as ‘anti-Israel’ (and possibly anti-Semitic) and [were] confronted with a well-funded opponent in the next election.”

Obama writes that he was “on the receiving end” of a “whisper campaign” that portrayed him as being “insufficiently supportive — or even hostile toward — Israel” during his 2008 presidential run. “On Election Day, I’d end up getting more than 70 percent of the Jewish vote, but as far as many AIPAC board members were concerned, I remained suspect, a man of divided loyalties; someone whose support for Israel, as one of [David Axelrod’s] friends colorfully put it, wasn’t ‘felt in his kishkes’ — ‘guts,’ in Yiddish.”

https://jewishinsider.com/2020/11/obama-netanyahu-israel/

[Torchlight]

12. What do you make of this and its relevance in the here and now?

It's been close to ninety years since Hitler self-deleted his personhood in the bunker, and I'm certain we've learned a few things since. Please, share!

[Ms. Toad]

15. Context, please? n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. This thread appears to have grown from here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221115004

but yes, the context there is quite different from "remember the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany when you go on the No Kings protest".

[gulliver]

16. Jewphobia is epidemic in the fool community

I still think the root cause is Google. You can't give a power tool like that to a fool. It's nothing but trouble. Google does nothing but confirm the fool's ideas and help link him to other fools.

[ruet]

17. Every Time I See This Story Title It Makes My Skin Crawl. -NT-

[UTUSN]

19. K&R

[demmiblue]

20. ...

The "tracking" of what Jews do with their money, who they give it to or what they spend it on is inherently antisemitic.

It was the first day of April, 1933 and Adolf Hitler was launching his economic boycott of the Jewish people. German SA men, under the direction of Hitler, began to position themselves in front of Jewish owned shops. The SA men painted Stars of David on the shop windows, obstructed customers from entering the shops and carried signs with the words...Kauf nicht bei Juden! (Don't buy from Jews!) Alternate signs posted in front of shops not owned by Jews proclaimed that Jewish peoples were banned from entering. Hitler's message was clear...Jews and their money were to be restricted and contained to prescribed areas...Jewish business dealings, Jewish money itself was implicitly tainted...because Jews simply could not be trusted with what they did with their money.

Almost 93 years have passed since Hitler's economic boycott of the Jewish people and yet the world appears to have learned little with regard to the insidious machinations that allow antisemitism to rise and thrive - in plain site. It is not Jewish money that needs to be contained but rather those who pursue the "tracking" who need to be questioned, investigated and outed with regard to their true intentions. This March 28th - No Kings Day - keep in mind the significance of April 1, 1933.