The us solicitor, sauer is completely insane.

[drray23]

I am listening to his supreme court arguments. I am amazed they could find a guy willing to argue insane things on behalf of a child molester.

[crazylikafox]

1. He's just yelling his arguments

Very hard to listen to

[RainCaster]

7. Performing for an audience of one

The court will see right through that. The questions they ask will be telling.

[spanone]

2. That voice rivals kennedy jr

[milestogo]

3. I know he can't help it, but its horrible to listen to him.

[spanone]

6. More irritating is how fricking fast he talks.

[peppertree]

19. Like all good con-men

[dalton99a]

9. Both of them could benefit from a permanent throat malady

[AnotherMother4Peace]

4. He's throwing lots of shit against the wall. He's very difficult to understand due to his circular answers & arguments.

[drray23]

5. Thats because he does not have a case.

No logical coherent argument to rely upon so he is all over the place and naturally, some of it is contradictory.

[milestogo]

10. He makes the lesser justices look smart.

[dalton99a]

8. POS is a hardcore Trump cultist

[tishaLA]

11. It seemed like only Alito and perhaps thomas were sympathetic

To his ridiculous arguments, which were basically to assert what the plain text of the Constitution doesn't say what it says.

It really shows how phony this absurd concept of the conservatives being "textualists" or "originalists" is: it's a completely threadbare position that they're willing to twist to make the text and origin mean whatever fits their agendas.

[GiqueCee]

17. If the "Originalists" arguments...

... had any validity at all, there would be no Amendments, nor a process to enact them. They're so full of shit their eyes are brown.

[peppertree]

21. Coke Can Thomas is STILL mad he was born black

And he's on a lifelong mission to punish humanity for it - unless you're rich enough to bribe him, of course.

[lame54]

12. Doesn't mean he won't win

[V850i]

13. He argued the immunity case and won

That was even more insane IMHO than this case. There are some gray areas here that he can point to, while the immunity claim he made up out of whole cloth as did the SC with their ruling and the written majority opinion. I subscribe to a podcast called Oral Arguments which I listen to for most of their cases, that immunity one was a real whopper. This one isn’t as wild but yeah Sauer is reaching and trying to muddy the water with much of his arguments.

[CaptainTruth]

25. Presidential immunity for official actions was established by a 1973 OLC memo...

...& was reexamined & reaffirmed in 2000 by the OLC (Executive Branch Office of Legal Counsel).
It's been DOJ policy & practice since the original memo, issued in the wake of Nixon, more than 50 years ago. (See Mueller for a notable example.) OLC opinions, like the immunity memo, have been considered binding on Executive Branch agencies unless overturned by the courts.
Nothing was made up out of whole cloth for the 2024 SCOTUS decision, the legal & Constitutional arguments for it, in addition to the policy & practice, were 50 years old at that point.
Of course... where were these details published by our media? Nowhere that I saw. I only know because I've been paying attention to the consequences of that 1973 memo for decades.

[not fooled]

14. Sauer used to be a fairly regular guest on Thom Hartmann's show

He sounded just as insane then, making his con arguments usually on economic subjects. Hartmann would gut him every time.

[AverageOldGuy]

15. So -- here's a question

What does Trump say about DUAL CITIZENSHIP -- people who are citizens of two contries?

Much of the argument today revolves around citizenship and allegiance to a specific country. Where is the allegiance of a dual citizen?

Melanoma and her anchor baby Barron both have dual citizenship -- US and Slovenia. Wonder where she will go when Trump croaks (I'd like to get the answer to that question tomorrow).

[Volaris]

22. Trumps own allegiance isnt to this country its to fucking Putin

That prima facia makes the rest of this an absolute absurdity, I cannot believe the court even considered hearing this farce to begin with.
I want 13 Justices on that bench and I don't really care if WE are the ones that have to ditch the filibuster to do it.

[BumRushDaShow]

28. He also has "allegiance" to the UK (via Scotland)

where his mother got off the boat from... at least per some of the arguments (I think from Barrett as it came near the end of the arguments, when the CSPAN feed had cut off but the SCOTUS feed was actually still going but with no annotations regarding who was speaking, where an example was given of a baby born in the U.S., born from a mother from Ireland, would automatically be a citizen of Ireland too, and IIRC, the same "ancestry" option is available within the UK).

[MLAA]

29. She will go to Tiffany's...the jeweler not the step daughter 😬

Edited to add: Her 2nd stop would be a cathedral to thank God.

[Seinan Sensei]

16. Hard to listen to, hard-to-follow reasoning

Was he arguing at one point that Native Americans should not be guaranteed US citizenship?

[maxsolomon]

18. At one point, they weren't.

America has a lot of shameful history around this issue.

[Soul_of_Wit]

23. The law to make them citizens wasn't passed until 1924 (n/m)

[City Lights]

20. His is amoral, unprincipled and unethical.

As is everyone in Rapist's orbit.

[EnergizedLib]

24. What sad

Is that normally, he’d be laughed out of court, but none of this is normal.

[LearnedHand]

26. Where is this being streamed or broadcast?

[drray23]

27. Im watching cnn via sling. Nt

[Delmette2.0]

31. I watched on MS NOW

[Boo1]

30. Hes doing the only thing he can

When you dont have the facts or the law....

[yellow dahlia]

32. It is difficult to even understand what he is saying because his voice is so grating.

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