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demmiblue

(39,906 posts)
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 12:49 PM Apr 2

BREAKING: President Trump confirms that the United States has bombed the B1 bridge in Karaj. This is civilian...

BREAKING

President Trump confirms that the United States has bombed the B1 bridge in Karaj.

This is civilian infrastructure, a major transportation artery.

Where are the MIGA people now?

How’s your Amoo Lindsey doing?

BREAKING

President Trump confirms that the United States has bombed the B1 bridge in Karaj.

This is civilian infrastructure, a major transportation artery.

Where are the MIGA people now?

How’s your Amoo Lindsey doing?

Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yasharali.bsky.social) 2026-04-02T16:46:16.563Z
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BREAKING: President Trump confirms that the United States has bombed the B1 bridge in Karaj. This is civilian... (Original Post) demmiblue Apr 2 OP
He's going to think that was a "win" UpInArms Apr 2 #1
And we will pay for it orangecrush Apr 2 #33
And we will have to pay to rebuild it I bet. Irish_Dem Apr 2 #76
Very likely orangecrush Apr 2 #82
Trump is a madman. Klarkashton Apr 2 #2
Are and his family prepared for the Fatwa? PCIntern Apr 2 #3
And in my hierarchy of ways I'd prefer that he leave office EYESORE 9001 Apr 2 #17
Agree MadameButterfly Apr 2 #34
My prayer is that they find him and his family Horse with no Name Apr 2 #19
Despite the crazy leaders, they do seem to be an innovative people. harumph Apr 2 #52
8,000 years of civilization taught them a few things I gather. AloeVera Apr 2 #53
This. róisín_dubh Apr 3 #84
..... and if we carry them out, his threats against the electrical and drinking water Iranian infrastructure of Iran Jack Valentino Apr 2 #77
I miss Keith Olbermann's Worst Person in the World. City Lights Apr 2 #4
He still does them. SheLiberal Apr 2 #13
Oh wow! I had no idea! City Lights Apr 2 #14
Keith's podcast can be found here Wiz Imp Apr 2 #30
Thank you so much! City Lights Apr 2 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author City Lights Apr 2 #18
He still does Worst Persons in his podcast, which drops about twice weekly. Intractable Apr 2 #16
Thanks for the info! City Lights Apr 2 #20
The podcast is arranged in true journalistic style. Intractable Apr 2 #26
Good to know, thanks! nt City Lights Apr 2 #40
He does, and trump is. Everyone else is now OTHER Worst Persons. Volaris Apr 2 #62
Trump Gives Netanyahu Another Orgasm dalton99a Apr 2 #5
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2 #7
+1 leftstreet Apr 2 #10
PLEASE, no video! generalbetrayus Apr 2 #31
Isn't it a war crime to deliberately destroy civilian infrastructure? MustLoveBeagles Apr 2 #6
BONDI! BONDI! BONDI! leftstreet Apr 2 #21
Yeah a little birdie told me Bondi was leaving MustLoveBeagles Apr 2 #67
Bridges are considered dual use & have always been legitimate targets EX500rider Apr 2 #50
I see MustLoveBeagles Apr 2 #68
Legitimate, with restrictions dpibel Apr 2 #80
Did they kill civilians?..... Lovie777 Apr 2 #8
Neener neener...Look what I just did to your country! BeyondGeography Apr 2 #9
This is an act of terrorism. Doodley Apr 2 #11
Tut tut malaise Apr 2 #15
Ukraine has bombed bridges too Fiendish Thingy Apr 2 #12
Not when civilians are on them.............. Lovie777 Apr 2 #22
There were civilian vehicles on the Crimean bridge Fiendish Thingy Apr 2 #25
It depends. GCG Apr 2 #23
Hysterically ironic to me that war has rules, thus has war "crimes" Dixiegrrrl Apr 2 #48
As said in "The Bridge on the River Kwai" Wednesdays Apr 2 #54
Ukraine was invaded, we're looking to steal oil BeyondGeography Apr 2 #28
Has he prepared the American people for Johonny Apr 2 #24
"Sucks to be you" durablend Apr 2 #72
Bridges are generally considered Greg_In_SF Apr 2 #27
That usually requires a war to be declared. malthaussen Apr 2 #35
+1 leftstreet Apr 2 #43
That is Greg_In_SF Apr 2 #73
When's the last time a war was "declared" ? EX500rider Apr 2 #79
No, they weren't. malthaussen Apr 3 #88
So N Korea invading S Korea & the UN voting to stop them was a "bullshit operation"? EX500rider Apr 3 #89
You betcha. malthaussen Apr 4 #90
So since Russia hasn't declared war on the Ukraine EX500rider Apr 5 #91
Naw, I just call it murder. malthaussen Apr 5 #92
Not relevant here because destroying the bridge has nothing to do with military objectives Mysterian Apr 2 #44
Are you in Iran Greg_In_SF Apr 2 #74
So it's your position this was obviously justified? dpibel Apr 2 #81
No Greg_In_SF Apr 3 #83
LMAO Mysterian Apr 3 #86
Nice try. AloeVera Apr 2 #65
Arrest this Trump guy pwb Apr 2 #29
He has flipped his lid completely orangecrush Apr 2 #32
He exhibits the sort of childish joy he felt when the East Wing was demolished. Harker Apr 2 #36
Who chooses the targets? Hegseth? IcyPeas Apr 2 #37
Miller has been reported to be actively involved also. n/t Dixiegrrrl Apr 2 #49
I can hear the abusive father now... Mblaze Apr 2 #38
Amen Whip-poor-will Apr 2 #47
I thought they were begging for a deal SamuelTheThird Apr 2 #39
And now all civilian infrastructure in the USA becomes fair game, nice work dumbass 0rganism Apr 2 #41
Some sort of significant retaliation is inevitable. Trump and his minions have laid us open to attack. flashman13 Apr 2 #55
Yes, sadly EuterpeThelo Apr 2 #60
Too much bad news in TSF's future. He KNOWS his goose is cooked this election. (if no cheating takes place) bluestarone Apr 2 #45
Fuck his deal! BidenRocks Apr 2 #46
He has already said their oil is there for the taking, so we can see what his "deal" would look like. Doodley Apr 2 #57
Mexico will pay for that bridge! bucolic_frolic Apr 2 #51
This proves Trump lied.repeatedly 1/ The war has been won. 2/ This isn't a war. 3/ They are reasonable people because Doodley Apr 2 #56
Agreed EuterpeThelo Apr 2 #71
Good point! Doodley Apr 2 #75
Putin definitely approves this war blue-wave Apr 2 #58
Bridge over troubled water(s). Water/s equals: theology. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Apr 2 #59
USA, the pariah state. Passages Apr 2 #61
When one meme just isn't enough... ShazzieB Apr 2 #63
Let me be the first to say this... ShazzieB Apr 2 #64
You can see where this is going. No bridge... ananda Apr 2 #66
Making us safer by making enemies all over the world. Nanjeanne Apr 2 #69
The felon's list of war crimes are mounting. The U.S. is a global pariah on all fronts. pat_k Apr 2 #70
I wonder if citizens of another country are picking the targets. David__77 Apr 2 #78
Maybe he'll join his pal Putie on the ICC list of war criminals with arrest warrants Martin Eden Apr 3 #85
I see a couple of Trump's not so secret pals jumped into this thread. Kingofalldems Apr 3 #87

PCIntern

(28,526 posts)
3. Are and his family prepared for the Fatwa?
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 12:59 PM
Apr 2

Say what you want about the Iranians, But I wouldn’t fuck with them without being ready to find out.

EYESORE 9001

(29,865 posts)
17. And in my hierarchy of ways I'd prefer that he leave office
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 01:36 PM
Apr 2

that scenario is my least favorite. Can you imagine the martyrdom? He would be apotheosisized and canonized in one fell swoop.

MadameButterfly

(4,137 posts)
34. Agree
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 02:18 PM
Apr 2

I want him in jail, not a coffin. While he is alive he will continue to destroy his legacy. Once dead, they'll create a myth that will be hard to touch.

AloeVera

(4,363 posts)
53. 8,000 years of civilization taught them a few things I gather.
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 03:12 PM
Apr 2

To them, WE are the barbarians.

And Trump is proving them right.

róisín_dubh

(12,379 posts)
84. This.
Fri Apr 3, 2026, 03:04 AM
Apr 3

Persian civilisation- like Chinese civilisation- has been around a long ass time. They’ve seen it all pretty much and can just wait us out.
This won’t end well for the US

Jack Valentino

(5,213 posts)
77. ..... and if we carry them out, his threats against the electrical and drinking water Iranian infrastructure of Iran
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 10:00 PM
Apr 2

are NOT going to lead the people of Iran to rebel against their own government---
not when some other government (us) is BOMBING them and cutting off
their water and electricity !!!!

The end result would seem to be that 'The Great Satan'
that their own government has been warning them about (us)
for 40-some years will have DESTROYED their quality of life
while killing very many of them....

Seems to me that our attacks on them will destroy any chances
for the 'internal rebellion' which we were hoping would happen,
and indeed was STARTING to happen, before we initiated this
'Epstein Files Fury War' !

Trump and his advisors FAILED basic psychology courses, or more likely never took any---
(or some instructors were 'paid off' to 'pass' them)---

City Lights

(25,998 posts)
14. Oh wow! I had no idea!
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 01:33 PM
Apr 2

I'm not a big podcast person, but I will have to look into this! Thanks so much for letting me know!!

Response to SheLiberal (Reply #13)

Intractable

(2,347 posts)
16. He still does Worst Persons in his podcast, which drops about twice weekly.
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 01:36 PM
Apr 2

In the latest edition, he was sticking it to Katy Tur.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1322111045

Intractable

(2,347 posts)
26. The podcast is arranged in true journalistic style.
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 01:49 PM
Apr 2

The important stuff is up front, generally consisting of newsworthy topics.

By the time you get to the end, he's dishing dirt on his ex-girlfriends (like Katy Tur) or former colleagues (like Rachel Maddow).

If you listen to enough of these podcasts, you hear the same dirt about the same people.

MustLoveBeagles

(17,093 posts)
67. Yeah a little birdie told me Bondi was leaving
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 04:31 PM
Apr 2


But seriously I know mistakes happen in war but this seems like a deliberate act.

EX500rider

(12,699 posts)
50. Bridges are considered dual use & have always been legitimate targets
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 03:02 PM
Apr 2
Their classification as "dual-use" infrastructure (civilian and military use) allows for targeting, provided the attack offers a clear military advantage and follows proportionality rules.

dpibel

(4,004 posts)
80. Legitimate, with restrictions
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 10:15 PM
Apr 2

The "provided by" seems rather to heavily qualify your "always been" subject line declaration.

I realize that there are people in the world for whom "because I say so" is sufficient clear military advantage, but I hope we do not find them here.

BeyondGeography

(41,190 posts)
9. Neener neener...Look what I just did to your country!
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 01:19 PM
Apr 2

Madness. He’s putting a big fat target on all things American.

Lovie777

(23,476 posts)
22. Not when civilians are on them..............
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 01:45 PM
Apr 2

If that's the case, a enemy can bomb one of our bridges while civilians are traveling on them.

That is a war crime.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,826 posts)
25. There were civilian vehicles on the Crimean bridge
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 01:48 PM
Apr 2

When Ukraine bombed it (although just a few as it was 3am)

GCG

(107 posts)
23. It depends.
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 01:47 PM
Apr 2

No, not all bridges are legal targets in war. Under international humanitarian law (the law of armed conflict), a bridge only becomes a legitimate military target if it makes an effective contribution to military action and its destruction offers a definite military advantage.

Bridges are classic examples of "dual-use" targets. While they are crucial for civilian transportation and infrastructure, their utility in moving military assets often makes them targets. The legality of targeting them often hinges on the Principle of Distinction, which requires parties to distinguish between civilian objects and military objectives.

If a bridge is used for civilian purposes, attacking it when there is no significant military advantage—or when the damage to civilians is disproportionate—is a violation of international law.

Dixiegrrrl

(219 posts)
48. Hysterically ironic to me that war has rules, thus has war "crimes"
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 02:55 PM
Apr 2

which has punishments.
War itself is not a crime, but has rules that people break and often get away with.

Insane.

Wednesdays

(23,004 posts)
54. As said in "The Bridge on the River Kwai"
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 03:15 PM
Apr 2

when British Colonel Nicholson told Japanese Colonel Saito that his mistreatment of prisoners of war violated the Geneva Convention, Saito snapped, "This war, not a game of cricket!"

BeyondGeography

(41,190 posts)
28. Ukraine was invaded, we're looking to steal oil
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 02:01 PM
Apr 2

So at best we’re talking about a valid act of war in a war of legitimate self-defense and a valid act of war in an unprovoked war of aggression.

Johonny

(26,483 posts)
24. Has he prepared the American people for
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 01:48 PM
Apr 2

The wave of symmetrical terrorism that is sure to follow?

 

Greg_In_SF

(1,312 posts)
27. Bridges are generally considered
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 01:51 PM
Apr 2

legitimate military targets under international humanitarian law (IHL), also known as the law of armed conflict, if their destruction offers a definite military advantage.

malthaussen

(18,606 posts)
35. That usually requires a war to be declared.
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 02:21 PM
Apr 2

Otherwise, it is just state-sponsored terrorism.

-- Mal

EX500rider

(12,699 posts)
79. When's the last time a war was "declared" ?
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 10:07 PM
Apr 2
The United States last formally declared war during World War II, with the final declarations approved by Congress on June 4, 1942, against Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania
Yet Korea, Vietnam, Iraq I/II etc were all wars.

malthaussen

(18,606 posts)
88. No, they weren't.
Fri Apr 3, 2026, 08:43 PM
Apr 3

Legally, they were bullshit operations that evaded Constitutionally-mandated procedures because the US Congress is a bunch of spineless eunuchs who have cravenly and systematically surrendered their duties to the Administration. The simple act of bombing places and killing people is not "war," or every two-bit terrorist with a pipe bomb in his mother's basement is fighting a war.

That these actions are colloquially called "war" by just about everybody does not make them wars by the legal definition of the word.

And it is utter bullshit to call state-sponsered murder "war" just because it makes you feel better.

-- Mal

EX500rider

(12,699 posts)
89. So N Korea invading S Korea & the UN voting to stop them was a "bullshit operation"?
Fri Apr 3, 2026, 11:03 PM
Apr 3
A total of 22 nations supported South Korea under the United Nations flag, with 16 countries providing combat troops and six additional countries providing medical or non-combat assistance.

And any conflict where 2 opposing uniformed militaries go at it is a war whether you think so or not.

war
noun
a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.

malthaussen

(18,606 posts)
90. You betcha.
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 08:15 PM
Apr 4

Not a single one of the participating nations declared war. For that matter, neither did North Korea nor China. So not "wars" by any legal definition of the word.

-- Mal

EX500rider

(12,699 posts)
91. So since Russia hasn't declared war on the Ukraine
Sun Apr 5, 2026, 12:02 AM
Apr 5

You agree with Putin it's just a "special military operation"?

Everyone else thinks it's a war.

Modern international law (such as the Geneva Conventions) focuses on the existence of "armed conflict" rather than a formal declaration, meaning intense, sustained violence.

malthaussen

(18,606 posts)
92. Naw, I just call it murder.
Sun Apr 5, 2026, 06:34 AM
Apr 5

I'm simplistic like that. I am leery of anyone who uses "war" as an excuse to misbehave.

Seems to me that allowing state actors to just unload on anybody they want anytime they want and call it "war" is a step back from the Enlightenment, which while not all it was cracked up to be still tried to lessen the amount of barbarism in the world, not increase it. That was kind of the whole point of Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution. International law uses "armed conflict" intentionally, so that countries can't weasel out of the law by saying "it's not a war." The US Constitution attempts to be more rigorous, but of course Congress has decided to violate it, consistently and continuously. But Congress is no more above the Constitution than is the Executive: their cravenness is not legitimization.

-- Mal

Mysterian

(6,597 posts)
44. Not relevant here because destroying the bridge has nothing to do with military objectives
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 02:47 PM
Apr 2

But thanks for playing. We have some nice parting gifts for you backstage.

 

Greg_In_SF

(1,312 posts)
74. Are you in Iran
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 08:16 PM
Apr 2

and able to confirm that there was zero Iranian military activity on the bridge?

dpibel

(4,004 posts)
81. So it's your position this was obviously justified?
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 10:20 PM
Apr 2

Just want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly.

Put another way: In your jurisprudence, if an Iranian soldier has crossed that bridge, it's a legitimate target?

 

Greg_In_SF

(1,312 posts)
83. No
Fri Apr 3, 2026, 02:27 AM
Apr 3

absolutely not! What I'm saying is that no one knows.

Now, technically, if the bridge was used to transport military equipment, it is an approved target.

AloeVera

(4,363 posts)
65. Nice try.
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 03:57 PM
Apr 2

Proportionality and distinction play a role too, not just military advantage.

Good luck fitting in those principles to this obviously wanton act of destruction, terrorism against civilians and blackmail.

Though IHL doesn't apply to "excursions" in the first place, does it?

pwb

(12,789 posts)
29. Arrest this Trump guy
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 02:03 PM
Apr 2

and Netanyahu and Putin and put them all on trial together for the world to see. Only a few men are causing all this. The world will be better without their fucked up leadership. What an example all three set ? It is like a game for them, who can be the biggest asshole to humanity?

Mblaze

(1,101 posts)
38. I can hear the abusive father now...
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 02:38 PM
Apr 2

"This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you".

It was bullshit then, it's bullshit now.

0rganism

(25,696 posts)
41. And now all civilian infrastructure in the USA becomes fair game, nice work dumbass
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 02:43 PM
Apr 2

F47 and the entire chain of command responsible for executing this obviously-illegal order are now war criminals, state terrorists. Top to bottom. This event marks the absolute end of a century where America and our ideals were widely seen as aspirational. Now we've become transparently evil, a warning flag to the rest of the world. And when the next terror attack on the mainland happens, we will respond with the usual barrage of awful things once again, but we will do them alone.

flashman13

(2,538 posts)
55. Some sort of significant retaliation is inevitable. Trump and his minions have laid us open to attack.
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 03:16 PM
Apr 2

Was that just a function of his stupidity or was it intentional?

BTW Don't get bit by a skunk. There will be no one at CDC to test you for rabies. There is also no one at the Iranian desk in the FBI. Thomas Fugate is a nobody 22 year old Trump campaign staffer, U of Texas class of 2024, that sits at the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) Center for Prevention Programs and Partnerships security desk to combat violent extremism.

Good Luck! We are going to need it.

EuterpeThelo

(424 posts)
60. Yes, sadly
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 03:32 PM
Apr 2

this time, there will be no headlines from the former allies we've repeatedly insulted proclaiming "we are all Americans now."

bluestarone

(22,405 posts)
45. Too much bad news in TSF's future. He KNOWS his goose is cooked this election. (if no cheating takes place)
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 02:50 PM
Apr 2

So Expect what you would expect if a RAT is cornered. Even a nuclear device being used in Iran.

Doodley

(12,047 posts)
57. He has already said their oil is there for the taking, so we can see what his "deal" would look like.
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 03:19 PM
Apr 2

Doodley

(12,047 posts)
56. This proves Trump lied.repeatedly 1/ The war has been won. 2/ This isn't a war. 3/ They are reasonable people because
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 03:16 PM
Apr 2

they sent me a prize. 4/ We are negotiating with them. 5/ We don't need help from our allies because we have already won. 6/ We have achieved our objectives. None of these things can be true if he is still destroying their infrastructure and threatening to send them back to the stone age. He is a deranged lunatic who single-handedly has created a global crisis.

EuterpeThelo

(424 posts)
71. Agreed
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 07:30 PM
Apr 2

except for the part about single-handedly. Every one of his corrupt, cowardly, incompetent enablers has blood on their hands.

Passages

(4,432 posts)
61. USA, the pariah state.
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 03:35 PM
Apr 2

Just think of the hatred just among Americans for this guy. 8 million on the streets last Saturday, visible in defiance of his presidency.

Across the globe, remember that he intentionally hurt Cubans and their babies, his threats to Greenland, his coup in Venezuela, what he allows for in Gaza, and what we fund.

His ICE agents across our country, the terror and death alone by that agency under his orders.

Blowback: unintended consequences, side-effects, or repercussions that result from an activity that has a negative effect on U.S. national security interests.
https://www.cia.gov/resources/spy-glossary/

pat_k

(13,785 posts)
70. The felon's list of war crimes are mounting. The U.S. is a global pariah on all fronts.
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 05:30 PM
Apr 2

Any military leader with a moral fiber left should go public with refusals.

Martin Eden

(15,830 posts)
85. Maybe he'll join his pal Putie on the ICC list of war criminals with arrest warrants
Fri Apr 3, 2026, 08:35 AM
Apr 3

Should he step foot on any country that is a member of the International Criminal Court.

Kingofalldems

(40,355 posts)
87. I see a couple of Trump's not so secret pals jumped into this thread.
Fri Apr 3, 2026, 10:53 AM
Apr 3

It was an act of terrorism from the guy who said "Kill all Muslims!"



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