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Spare a thought for the people of Lebanon (Original Post) malaise Apr 8 OP
Israel's punching bag. Sneederbunk Apr 8 #1
Beirut was once known as the Paris of the Middle East. OGBuzz Apr 8 #13
And a Christian stronghold. Sneederbunk Apr 8 #19
I've known people who grew up there and they talk applegrove Apr 9 #28
DURec leftstreet Apr 8 #2
K&R 2naSalit Apr 8 #3
Really... LeftInTX Apr 8 #4
Yes. LoisB Apr 8 #5
One of Iran's 10 points is that Israel stop attacking Lebanon. If they don't stop, the cease fire will collapse. flashman13 Apr 8 #6
At the moment I posted this, a report came out that the Straits are now closed because Israel continues its flashman13 Apr 8 #9
Netanyahu got MFer to provide cover for the IDF's Ethnic Cleansing of S. Lebanon. maxsolomon Apr 8 #7
Southern Lebanon Bettie Apr 8 #8
Isn't the stated reason to provide a buffer from Hezbollah? maxsolomon Apr 8 #10
Israel could create the buffer zone on its own land instead of allowing settlers to live on the border. Lonestarblue Apr 8 #11
Just saw this and I agree with the poster who Bettie Apr 8 #22
That would be too rational. maxsolomon Apr 8 #23
Humans are the worst of animals. twodogsbarking Apr 8 #12
It's why we have rules and laws and prisons. AloeVera Apr 8 #15
Lebanon once was the "Switzerland of the Middle East" Kid Berwyn Apr 8 #14
That happens when you only listen to yourselves malaise Apr 8 #16
Cervantes grokked before there was a word for it. Kid Berwyn Apr 8 #21
"The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page." malaise Apr 8 #24
Not just criminals, but genocidal criminals. Scalded Nun Apr 8 #17
Yep to fulfill some imaginary pie in the sky BS malaise Apr 8 #25
Israel has become the monster Farmer-Rick Apr 8 #18
You become what you hate MustLoveBeagles Apr 8 #26
Very observant comment Farmer-Rick Apr 8 #27
Over 250 killed today muriel_volestrangler Apr 8 #20
100 attacks in 10 minutes malaise Apr 9 #32
K&R Scott Alan Swaggerty Apr 9 #29
Kick BlueWaveNeverEnd Apr 9 #30
The global silence is frightening malaise Apr 9 #31
Some countries are comdemning it muriel_volestrangler Apr 9 #33
Thanks for this malaise Apr 9 #34

applegrove

(132,796 posts)
28. I've known people who grew up there and they talk
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 01:34 AM
Apr 9

of olive groves, skiing (!!!), and the beach before the wars started.

2naSalit

(103,784 posts)
3. K&R
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 12:22 PM
Apr 8

I just heard part of a conversation with a Lebanese poli-sci professor and some hack from bibi's country and it was maddening to say the least. Listening to the attitudes of the people of that country piss me off and makes me hope they learn a valuable lesson that will contain them within their borders. If they can't do that, I hope we stop funding their brutality toward their neighbors. They spent decades fomenting these conflicts, they need to learn that it is a plan that can't continue.

LeftInTX

(34,726 posts)
4. Really...
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 12:26 PM
Apr 8

I get alot of regional ME stuff in my FB reels feed (esp Lebanon because there are many Armenians living there). Late last year, the country was finally coming back. Around Christmas, the pope visited there and so I got tons of reels. Everything looked like it was looking up. (Like in, "That would be fun to visit".) Everyone wanted that vibrant Lebanon again. Now....

flashman13

(2,516 posts)
6. One of Iran's 10 points is that Israel stop attacking Lebanon. If they don't stop, the cease fire will collapse.
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 01:20 PM
Apr 8

Iran will continue bombarding Israel and the Straits will remain closed.

Trump knows he must have this cease fire to get out from under the mess he has created. He won't have much choice. He will have to rein in Bibi. As a side benefit, Congress might be less willing to provide Israel with unlimited military and monetary aid.

flashman13

(2,516 posts)
9. At the moment I posted this, a report came out that the Straits are now closed because Israel continues its
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 01:41 PM
Apr 8

attacks on Lebanon. The next move is up to Trump.

maxsolomon

(39,000 posts)
7. Netanyahu got MFer to provide cover for the IDF's Ethnic Cleansing of S. Lebanon.
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 01:21 PM
Apr 8

There's no other accurate word for it.

Half a million Shiites forced out of their homes for their religious beliefs. Every bridge over the Litani River destroyed.

America barely noticed because of Trump's circus.

Bettie

(19,803 posts)
8. Southern Lebanon
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 01:30 PM
Apr 8

is part of the "greater Israel" that Netanyahu and his supporters want. (You probably already know this)

So, I expect that there will be "settlers" heading there before long, under guard by the IDF of course.

The hard right in Israel has BIG territorial ambitions and they seem to see Trump as their ticket to get what they want.

maxsolomon

(39,000 posts)
10. Isn't the stated reason to provide a buffer from Hezbollah?
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 01:44 PM
Apr 8

That North Israel towns would be safe(r) from Hezbollah attacks with Shiites forced north of the Litani.

One wishes the Lebanese Govt was able to assert itself in any way, but they ceded power to Hezbollah long ago.

Lonestarblue

(13,548 posts)
11. Israel could create the buffer zone on its own land instead of allowing settlers to live on the border.
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 02:05 PM
Apr 8

The right wing in Israel is even worse than our own MAGA militias and right wing because they are allowed to murder with impunity. I now hate that even one dollar of my tax money supports Israel.

Bettie

(19,803 posts)
22. Just saw this and I agree with the poster who
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 04:08 PM
Apr 8

suggested they could make the buffer zone be on their land rather than displacing over a million people by destroying their homes and killing an estimated 1,500 people.

AloeVera

(4,347 posts)
15. It's why we have rules and laws and prisons.
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 02:26 PM
Apr 8

Look what happens to a country (or people) allowed to ignore and dismiss laws and norms with impunity. It devolves. Though Israel is further along this trajectory, the U.S. is quickly catching up now.

Kid Berwyn

(24,849 posts)
14. Lebanon once was the "Switzerland of the Middle East"
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 02:21 PM
Apr 8

Before the 1975 civil war, Lebanon was a prosperous, cosmopolitan nation. Its government split power with the presidency reserved for a Maronite Christian, the Prime Minister as a Sunni Muslim, and the Parliament Speaker as a Shia Muslim.

Americans in general have little knowledge of history. So, many people I've met are shocked to hear that Arabs can also be of various faiths. Here in Detroit I am good friends with a man who was born in Lebanon, a Roman Catholic, and his wife, a Palestinian who also is RC. FTR, both are outstanding Democrats.

malaise

(297,354 posts)
16. That happens when you only listen to yourselves
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 02:27 PM
Apr 8

and ignore history - including your own. In lots of places His Story (and that’s the one most available) has little to do with reality.

Kid Berwyn

(24,849 posts)
21. Cervantes grokked before there was a word for it.
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 04:04 PM
Apr 8
"El que lee mucho y anda mucho, ve mucho y sabe mucho."

"He who reads much and walks much, sees much and knows much."

(In the above transliteration, of course, "much" means various shades of lots, depending on how it's used.)



Here's one from Saint Augustine that is pretty direct:

"The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page."

And to your point, what General George S. Patton, Jr. was wont to tell his staff:

"If everybody is thinking alike, then nobody is doing any thinking."

...which is one big reason why Patton was so feared by the NAZIs.

malaise

(297,354 posts)
24. "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page."
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 04:21 PM
Apr 8

Some think they travel but never leave the all inclusive 😀

Scalded Nun

(1,721 posts)
17. Not just criminals, but genocidal criminals.
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 02:43 PM
Apr 8

This Iran war lets Israel continue its genocidal march through the Arab states.

If only the sparing of a thought could help these people.

What we have unleashed on the world must never be forgotten.

malaise

(297,354 posts)
25. Yep to fulfill some imaginary pie in the sky BS
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 04:25 PM
Apr 8

End times which they will hasten with their nukes - we share a planet with lots of lunatics

Farmer-Rick

(12,757 posts)
18. Israel has become the monster
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 02:56 PM
Apr 8

It once fought. They are out of control.

Dragging in the stupidest person in the oval office to help murder more people and crush more civilian infrastructure. How far out into Lebanon does Bibi need to create a desert buffer zone? How many more people do they have to murder?

Farmer-Rick

(12,757 posts)
27. Very observant comment
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 06:45 PM
Apr 8

I remember this quote from my first year college philosophy class. Friedrich Nietzsche’s warning, "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster".

So true.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,461 posts)
20. Over 250 killed today
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 03:45 PM
Apr 8
Israel has carried out its largest attack on Lebanon since its war with Hezbollah began, killing at least 254 people and wounding 837, an assault that prompted Iranian officials to warn Tehran could withdraw from the ceasefire agreed with the US overnight.

Warplanes levelled several buildings in the centre of Beirut, filling the skies with smoke in what Israel’s defence minister said was “a surprise strike” on the pro-Iranian group Hezbollah.

The Lebanese capital was filled with cars crumpled by the blasts and the flaming wreckage of buildings that first responders struggled to extinguish, as Israel bombed more than 100 Hezbollah military sites around the country.
...
Until the wave of airstrikes by Israel across Lebanon on Wednesday, Hezbollah had not announced any attacks against Israel since the ceasefire announcement – a first since the war between it and Israel began on 2 March.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/08/israel-operations-in-lebanon-to-continue-despite-trump-ceasefire-iran-pakistan-hezbollah

malaise

(297,354 posts)
31. The global silence is frightening
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 06:06 AM
Apr 9

Look what Israel just did to the people of Lebanon.
This is unforgivable.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,461 posts)
33. Some countries are comdemning it
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 07:32 AM
Apr 9
British Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper led the outcry, stating she is "deeply troubled" by the escalating Israeli attacks.

Speaking to Sky News, Cooper emphasized that the humanitarian consequences and "huge mass displacement" in Lebanon have reached a tipping point. She signaled a significant shift in British rhetoric by demanding that Lebanon be formally included in the ongoing ceasefire deal currently limited to the US and Iran.

Paris issued an even more scathing assessment, condemning the "massive strikes" on Beirut neighborhoods in the "strongest possible terms." While the French Foreign Ministry acknowledged that Hezbollah’s "irresponsible and unacceptable" decision to enter the conflict on March 2 ignited the crisis, it asserted that the scale of the Israeli response is "all the more unacceptable" because it threatens to collapse the temporary truce brokered just days ago.

The European Union’s top diplomat, Kaja Kallas, also warned that Israeli actions are placing the US-Iran ceasefire under "severe strain." Kallas joined the chorus of voices insisting the truce must extend to Lebanon, while simultaneously reminding the international community that Hezbollah must fulfill its own obligations to disarm.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/artc-europe-slams-israel-s-unacceptable-hezbollah-strikes-in-lebanon

Spain urges EU to suspend 1995 cooperation treaty with Israel after Lebanon strikes

Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez on Wednesday urged the European Union to suspend its 1995 Association Agreement with Israel, the treaty governing trade and political cooperation, following a new wave of strikes on Lebanon.

In a post on the US social media platform X, Sanchez said, "Today, (Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin) Netanyahu launched his harshest attack on Lebanon since the offensive began."

He described Tel Aviv's disregard for life and international law as "intolerable."

The prime minister said immediate actions must be taken, including that "the European Union must suspend its Association Agreement with Israel."

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spain-urges-eu-to-suspend-1995-cooperation-treaty-with-israel-after-lebanon-strikes/3898737
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